Russia to be Consecrated?

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  1. Rosalia66

    Rosalia66 Archangels

     
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  2. Catherine L

    Catherine L Archangels

    I wish we could at least hear from Vatican saying whether or not if Pope have yet invited all the Bishops to participate or better yet, for the Pope to issue a Papal Bull requiring all Bishops to join in on this consecration on the 25th?
     
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  3. Catherine L

    Catherine L Archangels

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  4. Rosalia66

    Rosalia66 Archangels

    I just sent the USCCB a message asking them to please unite with Pope Francis as he consecrates Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on the Feast of the Annunciation.
    I am also going to email my Bishop
     
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  5. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

     
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  6. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

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    Rosalia66 Archangels

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  8. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    Yes! We should all message our individual bishops and contact the USCCB as well! Thanks!
     
  9. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    When I addressed my own bishop I said "Dear Bishop so-and-so", but I know there are titles you should use. When I addressed the USCCB, I said "Your Excellencies..."
     
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  10. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    https://www.formsofaddress.info/foa_bishop_catholic/
    How to Address a Roman Catholic Bishop

    How to Address a Roman Catholic Bishop

    —–Envelope or address block on letter or email:
    —–—–The Most Reverend (Full Name)
    —–—–Bishop of (place)
    —–—–(Address)


    —–—–Which looks like:
    —–—–—–The Most Reverend Michael Francis Burbidge
    —–—–—–Bishop of Arlington
    —–—–—–1234 Glebe Road
    —–—–—–Arlington, Virginia 67890


    Letter salutation:
    —–Dear Bishop (Surname):

    Isn’t a Catholic Bishop Addressed as Excellency?
    It seems that in practice Catholic archbishops and bishops are routinely addressed as “His/Your Excellency”, in documents, letters, and speeches. Is this just a lack of awareness of the proper etiquette or has the practice changed?

    —————– Kevin D.

    Dear Kevin D.:
    Well, I too have seen lots of sources suggest Catholic bishops and archbishops are addressed as Your Excellency. But if you ask the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and look at the biographies of U.S. Catholic bishops and archbishops on their own websites – they use The Most Reverend (Full Name) and the somewhat less formal Most Reverend (Full Name).

    I’ve reviewed many sources, but never found an official style manual issued by the Catholic Church. When there is not one, here’s what I do – (1) I go to the headquarters and ask “how do you prefer to have the members of your hierarchy addressed?” (2) Then I check other first-rate sources to confirm. What is recommended and what I see in use by the best sources is the form I publish.

    (1) So The Most Reverend is what the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops says is correct for others to use. (2) Then I called lots of bishops offices and asked the same question. Typically the public affairs writer or the Bishop’s secretary really knows the answer. They consistently say The Most Reverend. I find they are the most aware of formal forms of address in writing. A receptionist will be cooperative and give you a quick answer, but may not really know.

    That’s the process I follow every time. This is what I use when contacting the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or the Sikhs, the U.S. Armed Services or the European Union.

    – Robert Hickey

     
  11. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

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    An ancient Russian icon of the Virgin Mary and the Child Jesus. Pope Francis has announced that he will consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in a ceremony of consecration on March 25 in Rome (more on this to come in another letter)

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    Letter #48, Wednesday, March 16, 2022: Pope Francis speaks with Patriarch Kirill in Moscow (photos below)
    The following statement was just released from by the news service of the Russian Orthodox Patriarchate of Moscow, Russia (link):

    His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscowand All Russia spoke with Pope Francis

    DECR Communication Service, 03/16/22.

    On March 16, 2022, His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia had a conversation with Pope Francis via remote communication.

    On behalf of the Russian Orthodox Church, Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk, Chairman of the Department for External Church Relations, took part in the conversation.

    The head of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, Cardinal Kurt Koch, was present from the Roman Catholic Church.

    His Holiness cordially greeted the Primate of the Roman Catholic Church, expressing satisfaction with the possibility of organizing a conversation.

    Further, a detailed discussion of the situation on Ukrainian soil took place.

    Particular attention was paid to the humanitarian aspects of the current crisis and the actions of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church to overcome its consequences.

    The parties stressed the exceptional importance of the ongoing negotiation process, expressing their hope for the soonest achievement of a just peace.

    Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill also discussed a number of current issues of bilateral cooperation.

    Photo by the press service of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia

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    So, what does this mean?

    As the Italian-based website Il sismografosummarizes nicely:

    In the conversation of Patriarch Kirillwith Pope Francis today the two men discussed:

    —the exceptional importance of the ongoing negotiation process between Russia and Ukraine

    —the need to achieve a just peace as soon as possible

    —what the situation is in Ukraine

    —what are the humanitarian aspects of the current crisis

    —what actions the Russian Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church are taking and may take to overcome the consequences oif the conflict

    It is likely that there will be a Vatican version of the interview in the next few hours. —RM

    The photos below, released by the Moscow Patriarchate, show the Russian Orthodox officials (Patriarch Kirill, Metropolitan Hilarion, and a translator) in a room in Moscow, speaking via video link-ip with Pope Francis and Cardinal Kurt Koch in Rome.

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  12. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    Thank you.
     
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  13. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

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    An ancient Russian icon of the Virgin Mary and the Child Jesus. Pope Francis has announced (link) that he will consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in a ceremony of consecration on March 25 in Rome.

    Here below, letters from readers on this consecration — the "vox populi" ("voice of the people"). An ancient maxim holds that the "voice of the people" expresses the "voice of God"

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    “I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart… If people attend to My requests, Russia will be converted and the world will have peace.” —The Virgin Mary, speaking in an apparition to the three shepherd children of Fatima on July 13, 1917, just three months prior to the Bolshevik Revolution in October of 1917. Pope Francis said yesterday that he will consecrate Russia and Ukraine on March 25. The matter has been a matter of some controversy in the Church

    "The Blessed Virgin’s request for the Consecration of Russia remains one of the most controversial aspects of the entire Fatima Message. While several popes have undertaken consecrations of the world since the request was made public (including Pope John Paul II in 1982 and 1984), sadly, none of these have fulfilled the specific requirements of Our Lord and Our Lady’s requests... Our Lady... indicated that the Holy Father is to be joined in the act of consecration by all the Catholic bishops of the world on the same day and at the same time in their respective dioceses." —Explanation of the Fatima Consecration by the Fatima Center (link)

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    Letter #49, 2022, Wednesday, March 16: Vox populi
    I received dozens of email after my letter yesterday containing the announcement that Pope Francis intends to consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25 in Rome.

    Over and over and over again, the messages were the same:

    that the Pope should invite all the bishops of the world to join him in the Act of Consecration of Russia and Ukraine on March 25.

    Geralyn Krause wrote:

    "What about the part it is supposed to be in union with all the bishops?"

    Shannon Haase wrote:

    "Peace of Christ, I am pleading with you to please ask the Holy Father to order all of the Bishops throughout the world to unite in the Prayer Of Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, 2022 @ Rome Time 5:00 pm! We cannot miss this very Holy opportunity for Grace from Heaven! What are we as a community going to do? Please help — let us set the world on fire! I also sent an email to the Holy Father! Please respond, God bless, A mother in the pew

    Mary Harrison wrote:

    "'Together with all the Bishops of the world'! Let's pray, pray, pray for Pope Francis to involve all the Bishops of the world in this momentous consecration too. Thank you for everything and for keeping us so well informed. Every grace and heavenly blessing on you and yours"

    Deborah Burton wrote: "Robert... Our Lady made two requests that need to be fulfilled... not just the consecration of Russia... she said "and" ... 1st Saturday Devotion... that is not a suggestion... both are required. Even after the Pope does this consecration... Our Lady is still waiting for our response to her request for us to stop the spread of errors and enjoy peace. Thank you!"

    Christian Chojnowski wrote: "Dear Dr. Moynihan, May this perchance signify the possibility of working together and having all the bishops participate in the Consecration? I whole-heartedly pray this will happen! Yours truly in Christ."



    So, this is the voice of the ordinary faithful, the "little people" who have faith and who pray daily that there be peace in our world.

    They are asking that Pope Francis invite all the Catholic bishops of the world to join him in this consecration of Russia and Ukraine on March 25.

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    Perhaps the most important message I received was from Bishop Athanasius Schneider.

    Bishop Schneider wrote a message at the request of the Faith and Reason Fraternity, a group of two dozen or more Catholic scholars, authors and journalists. of which I am a member.

    Bishop Schneider is the Auxiliary Bishop of Astana in Kazakhstan, formerly a part of the Soviet Union (Schneider is from a family German origin which left Germany for Kazakhstan generations ago.)

    Bishop Schneider wrote as follows:

    A Message from Bishop Schneider

    By Bishop Athanasius Schneider

    March 16, 2022

    The Holy See has announced that Pope Francis will consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on Friday, March 25, the Feast of the Annunciation, during a 5pm penance service in St. Peter’s Basilica.

    This news ought to fill all Catholics with deep joy, consolation and encouragement, and we hope that it will also bring joy and solace to our dear Orthodox brothers and sisters in Russia and Ukraine.

    As we know from Our Lady’s request to Sister Lucia, the Pope should invite all bishops to unite themselves with him in making this consecration.

    We hope, that even in the absence of a formal invitation from the Pope, many bishops will unite themselves to this act of consecration.

    At a time when the Church and the world are passing through an unprecedented spiritual crisis, the common collegial act of consecration to the Immaculate Heart, made by the Pope in union with the world’s bishops, will be a powerful instrument for Divine Providence to pour out those special graces which the Church and the world so urgently need.

    + Athanasius Schneider

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    Bishop Schneider also enclosed this prayer to be said every day for the next nine days, in preparation for the consecration of Russia and Ukraine:

    Preparatory Novena prayer for the Consecration of Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

    O Immaculate Heart of Mary, Holy Mother of God and our most tender Mother. Look down upon the distress in which the Church and all humanity finds itself due to the spread of godlessness, materialism and the persecution of the Catholic Faith, errors of which you warned in Fatima.

    You are the Mediatrix of all graces. Obtain for us the grace that all the bishops of the world, in union with the Pope, may consecrate Russia and Ukraine to Your Immaculate Heart on March 25, 2022. By this consecration we hope — as you told us in Fatima — that, at a time appointed by God, Russia will be converted, and mankind will be granted an era of peace.

    We hope that by this consecration, the triumph of Your Immaculate Heart will soon draw near and the Church will be authentically renewed in the splendor of the purity of the Catholic Faith, the sacredness of the liturgy and the holiness of the Christian life.

    O Queen of the Holy Rosary and our most tender Mother, turn Your merciful eyes toward the Pope, the bishops and each of us, and graciously hear our fervent and trusting prayer. Amen.

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    The Latin Phrase "Vox Populi" ("The voice of the people"), "Vox Dei" ("(is) the voice of God")

    The Latin phrase Vox populi, vox Dei ("The voice of the people [is] the voice of God," is an old proverb.

    It expresses the belief that, when ordinary people speak — people without special office or credentials, just ordinary people, speaking from their hearts — these simple people speak truly, and so express the "vox Dei" ("the voice of God").

    An early reference to the expression is in a letter from the theologian Alcuin to Charlemagne in 798 A.D.

    The full quotation from Alcuin actually criticizes this maxim, and reads: "Nec audiendi qui solent dicere, Vox populi, vox Dei, quum tumultuositas vulgi semper insaniae proxima sit" ("And those people should not be listened to who keep saying the voice of the people is the voice of God, since the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness.")

    Yet, this passage from Alcuin indicates that already by the end of the 700s the phrase had become an aphorism of political common wisdom.

    And that wisdom is that, when the people, the common people, express a deep belief or feeling on a matter of some importance, they are expressing... the mind of God...

    In this case, concerning the announcement of Pope Francis that he will consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, the "vox populi" — the "voice of the people," the common judgment of the simple Catholic faithful — is that the consecration ought to be made by all the bishops of the Catholic Church, invited by Pope Francis to join with him in making the consecration.

     
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  14. BrianK

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  15. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Would the Vatican sell out Ukrainian Catholics as they did those in China, in order to obtain political prestige in a peace deal? We know from the recent memo that the Vatican is very low, perhaps unprecedentedly so, in international political prestige. The Orthodox Church was no friend of Ukrainian, nor any other, Catholics during the Soviet era. Hadn't the Ukrainian Catholics to take legal action in the nineties in order to reappropriate their churches, which had been stolen by the Orthodox? Is the relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian State not a little too cosy? Have there not been rumours for years that Patriarch Kirill is an agent of the KGB? I worry that, as there are reports of the Ukrainians softening their conditions for a deal, the Vatican is equivocating with their proposed joint Consecration and that there might be risk of the aforementioned betrayal. I leave it open for discussion.

    [Maybe, I have just become too cynical].
     
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  16. padraig

    padraig Powers

    None of this matters.

    If Pope Francis is actually finally fulfilling the request of Our Lady of Fatima all will be well.

    If he is not.##

    We're on a down slide.

    My own take is he is not..
     
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  17. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It doesn't matter in itself, apart from the possible selling out of the Ukrainian Catholics, but until there is further clarification that this is a genuine Consecration, I fear these might be pointers of the way things are going. Agreed, if Pope Francis fulfills the request of Our Lady, all will be well and all manner of things will be well. If he doesn't, the future might well play out as I've outlined, which would be utterly catastrophic.
     
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  18. padraig

    padraig Powers

    However , on the other hand if we were to Consecrate the entire World...even at this late stage to the Goddess Pachacamaa

    I believe we might find some grounds for hope..

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  19. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yeah , finally Pope Francis Might come round.

    What's the betting?

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  20. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I will tell you one thing that is curious at this time coming up to March 18th is the Jewish Feast of Purim.
    Esther being a type of Our Lady.

     
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