Putin, well intended or not ?

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Elisa, Mar 24, 2014.

  1. picadillo

    picadillo Powers


    I watched 8 minutes of this "biased" reporting. Putin may be the anti-christ, however there is no mention of the west involvement , admittedly $5 billion to overthrow the previous pro-russian regime to put in the former central banker as president , in this conflict. George Soros involvement. The first casualty of war is the truth and I don't believe this video is it.
     
  2. padraig

    padraig New Member

    In my book anyone who risks turning the entire world into an outdoor barbecue is evil.

    If that is not evil I don't know what is. Examine scripture. The saints were never afraid to call a spade a spade, neither were the saints. 'Judge not lest you be judged' means be careful not to misjudge, it does not mean place your judgement in a land fill site. ;)

    'Treat a lion like a lion'.

    God gave us our brains to use, not as some kind of fashion accessory.
    Nor would I take lessons on morality from a Church that for at least two generations was run by KGB stoogies and is still in total denial over that Judas fact.
     
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  3. picadillo

    picadillo Powers


    I agree Padraig. And I hope you mean that for both sides in this conflict , because they are both threatening pre-emptive nuclear strikes.
     
  4. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Evil is evil where ever it is. However Putin is the stick sent from hell to beat us with. A particular stick.

    A particular very terrible beating.

    Very terrible and it is own people who will hang on the Cross of his making the most and the longest.

    God have mercy on the poor Russian people. He leads them by the hand into the inferno.
     
  5. picadillo

    picadillo Powers

    Here's my take on this mess:

    The Last Time This Happened, the US Went to War to ‘Defend’ its Interests
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    You’d think the US government would be gratefully sending fruit baskets to every foreign country in the world, treating everyone like a welcome friend. But that’s not what they do.
    The US government arrogantly commands every bank in the world to report to the IRS. They drop bombs, send in drones, and invade foreign nations.
    They spy on their allies and enemies alike. They freeze foreigners out of the US banking system and fine foreign banks for doing business with countries they don’t like.
    It’s unbelievably stupid. Their behavior practically begs foreigners to abandon the dollar, and the US.
    And it’s starting to happen, right in front of our very eyes.
    The US has shown that it’s willing to go to war to support this petrodollar system, So the fact that it’s starting to unwind right now is very concerning, especially given the existing battlefield in Ukraine.




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    In 1974 Richard Nixon struck a deal with Saudi Arabia that might go down as the biggest scam in US history.

    In exchange for weapons and protection, the Saudis would sell their oil for US dollars, then reinvest those dollars back in the United States.

    This was a matter of life or death for the dollar at the time; Nixon had closed the gold window three years before, and a massive devaluation of the dollar ensued.

    Ensuring that the world’s most traded commodity would only be priced and settled in US dollars was absolutely critical in propping up the currency.

    Looking back, it was a brilliant strategic move. The rest of OPEC followed, and this sealed the deal for US financial, political and military supremacy for decades.

    The petrodollar was born.

    Today, oil remains the most widely traded commodity in the world. And since EVERY nation either buys or sells oil, it means that every nation holds US dollars.

    Rather than just sitting on a pile of paper currency, though, foreign banks, governments, and central banks tend to hold US Treasuries, i.e. US debt.

    This means that the US government has a nearly unlimited supply of foreigners to pawn off its dollars, debts, and deficits onto.

    The rest of the world toils away to produce things. They work in the fields, manufacture products in factories, pull oil and gas out of the ground.

    The US, on the other hand, prints dollars… and then trades this paper to foreigners for the stuff they’ve actually worked to produce.

    It’s an unbelievable scam.

    You’d think the US government would be gratefully sending fruit baskets to every foreign country in the world, treating everyone like a welcome friend.

    But that’s not what they do.

    The US government arrogantly commands every bank in the world to report to the IRS. They drop bombs, send in drones, and invade foreign nations.

    They spy on their allies and enemies alike. They freeze foreigners out of the US banking system and fine foreign banks for doing business with countries they don’t like.

    It’s unbelievably stupid. Their behavior practically begs foreigners to abandon the dollar, and the US.

    And it’s starting to happen, right in front of our very eyes.

    The US has shown that it’s willing to go to war to support this petrodollar system.

    (Saddam Hussein won support from the UN in the early 2000s to sell oil for euros. Shortly after, he was gone.)

    So the fact that it’s starting to unwind right now is very concerning, especially given the existing battlefield in Ukraine.
     
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  6. davidtlig

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    I have to disagree, padraig. Jesus didn't say 'be careful when you judge'. He said don't judge. The reason we must not judge people is because we cannot know a person's heart. We might have a pretty good idea of someone's heart but we cannot know. Only God knows the individual heart.

    What we can and often need to do is to judge a person's actions. That is something quite different. Is an action going to be good or bad? Are we in a position to change that action if it is a bad one?

    I need to mention here the wonderful Poem of the Man God books. Throughout this vast work, Judas often makes an appearence. The other apostles always found him difficult but as time went on he became more critical of Jesus and generally unpleasant and devious. Although the apostles knew that Jesus didn't like them criticising Judas, they often found themselves unable to stop themselves doing so. This would always result in Jesus telling them forcefully, do not judge! And Jesus kept encouraging them to treat him kindly and encouragingly even though he, himself, always knew it was futile. Jesus told them that a soul can always change but is much less likely to do so if he is treated badly.
     
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  7. padraig

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  9. picadillo

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    "What we can and often need to do is to judge a person's actions. That is something quite different. Is an action going to be good or bad?"
     
  10. picadillo

    picadillo Powers

    Isn't this how ISIS got its start? Back to US vs Syria/Russia again, keep poking the stick in the Russian Bear's eyes. This is all about instigating a wider war over the gas pipeline/dollar death issue.

    White House Wants Authority to Arm Syrian Rebels, but GOP Is Wary
    Obama seeks language in the must-pass spending bill set for a floor vote Thursday.
    BY DANIEL NEWHAUSER
     
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  11. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Jesus called , Herod, 'That Fox' .

    Luke 13:32

    31Just at that time some Pharisees approached, saying to Him, "Go away, leave here, for Herod wants to kill You." 32And He said to them, "Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I reach My goal.' 33"Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet would perish outside of Jerusalem.…


    This was clearly a condemnation of Herod. Driven of course by Christ's own judgement of Him and stated publically.

    On multiple occasions Christ condemned the Phariscee's and Saducees, not simply their actions but them themselves. How could He have done this if he had not Judged them?

    Matthew 23:13

    Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.


    Very clearly Jesus could not have said such a thing about these people unless He had judged them. Neither was Jesus a hypocrite. He did as He said; He judged justly.
     
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  12. davidtlig

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    Well, padraig, we will have to agree to disagree about whether Jesus meant what he said about judging people.

    Regarding the Poem books, three Medjugorje visionaries have confirmed that Our Lady thought the books were good to read.

    A fair response to Fr Pacwa is at: http://www.maria-valtorta.net/mitch_response1.html

    And we shouldn't forget that Fr Pacwa is fairly negative about Medjugorje.
     
  13. padraig

    padraig New Member

    On one occasion St Peter actually strikes a husband and wife Ananias and Saphira dead. How could he strike them dead unless he had judged them?

    ...and judged them justly.

    Acts 5:1-10


    5But a man named Ananias, with the consent of his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property; 2with his wife’s knowledge, he kept back some of the proceeds, and brought only a part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3“Ananias,” Peter asked, “why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land? 4While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, were not the proceeds at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You did not lie to us but to God!” 5Now when Ananias heard these words, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard of it. 6The young men came and wrapped up his body, then carried him out and buried him. 7After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8Peter said to her, “Tell me whether you and your husband sold the land for such and such a price.” And she said, “Yes, that was the price.” 9Then Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Look, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” 10Immediately she fell down at his feet and died. When the young men came in they found her dead, so they carried her out and buried her beside her husband.


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  14. padraig

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    I seem to be in an argumentative mood tonight. :D

    Time for bed. :)
     
  15. whoooo-hooo Padraig! You rock! Thats the best two paragraphs of the Month! You get the ribbon! (y):LOL:
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  16. Clare A

    Clare A Archangels

    I have no idea about the state of Putin's soul. When I posted that piece from the Telegraph about the Ukrainian bishop, I had no idea that it would be perceived as an attempt to 'judge'. I simply thought it might be of interest, as information.

    Nevertheless, 'by their fruits ye shall know them'. It is not wrong to attempt to discern and in the light of current events it is probable that most Christians are trying to discern. Up to now my own opinion was that Putin is a thug but at least he protects Christians and takes an opposing stand from the West on same sex marriage, abortion, etc.

    It's all so sad. I was in Ukraine about two years ago and it was thrilling to see so many new churches springing up, as well as derelict ones rising in splendour again. I went to Mass in (I think) Sevastopol (we were on a cruise and stopped off at a number of places), and in the small Catholic church there were windows depicting St John Paul II and St Faustina. In the local supermarket I bought two small Easter banners proclaiming that Christ is Risen. How often do you see these in Tesco? Ukraine seemed to be undergoing a spiritual revival. Heartbreaking that so much violence has ensued since.
     
  17. Peter B

    Peter B Powers

    Points taken, Padraig. But there is a difference between these Biblical examples and our judging, because in both case Jesus and Peter had spiritual knowledge that we do not necessarily have. Jesus 'knew what was in man' (John 2:25), while Peter clearly had what you could term a 'word of knowledge' regarding Ananias and Sapphira. Unless we have a specific prophetic gift (which of course some people do have) with regard to an individual, we don't know the state of their heart - here I'm with David on this. We can and should evaluate concrete actions, but that's a different matter from judging a person.

    There are definitely serious prophetic voices out there who have been making statements on the basis of alleged spiritual knowledge concerning Putin (e.g. John Paul Jackson, Neville Johnson). It is however interesting that Neville Johnson also said last month that at this moment, God is visiting many world leaders, including Vladimir P., asking them to repent. So we ought to be praying for the Russian president, whatever our view of him. According to N.J. - whom I take as seriously as anyone out there at the moment as what he has been prophesying for a while now seems to be unfolding before our eyes - this window of opportunity for repentance won't last much longer ... There comes a point at which a hardening of heart inevitably takes place.

    Think of this what you will, but to me this view of God's interaction with leaders of nations is very much in line with Biblical precedent (even Ahab repented at one point!) and therefore highly plausible.
     
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  18. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    We had better judge action as being right or wrong, lest we fall into sin outselves. Clearly when Christ talked about judging 'fruits on the tree' he was talking about identifying good and bad actions. When Christ talked about 'not judging lest you be judged' he was talking about the soul. I do not see this as a hard thing to grasp.
     
  19. little me

    little me Archangels

    Simple as this: outward actions are a sign of inward reality. If a person is NOT under duress and acts on their own free will of course.
     
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  20. AND...Fr. Joseph Ianuzzi gives them a thumbs up and he read all of what Bishop Roman Danylak wrote (who actually read the books, unlike Fr. Mitch Pacwa). http://www.bardstown.com/~brchrys/Danylak.htm Bishop was THERE when they were fighting about it in Rome! Lots of politics...just like St. Faustina's diary and Servant of God Luisa Piccaretta.
     
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