Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by padraig, Mar 14, 2018.
Uh oh...Frodo....stay away from anything Augustinian then...by your own measures!!
And they are basically warnings for us who have gone astray or haven't fulfilled earlier warnings which always come with the admonitions of "IF" or "Since". Always have the possibility of mitigations so timelines are in God's Hands alone. Without them I wonder just where we would be since obviously the norms of Church teachings haven't been followed nor even taught correctly to a lot of generations now and so we need the reprimands and further clarifications for our times since God is so generous with His Love for us.
Very true, FP; these trials are training ground for what still lies in the near future. In the past Jesus trained us in similar ways, but not as frequently. It will now be one right after another; methinks! That is why as parents, we must be bastions of intercession for our loved ones. My children are aged 35 down to 22. They are young parents and busy priests, who don't have as much time on their hands to sort things out and see the bigger picture. We have to cover them in prayer, while at the same time letting them go as we entrust them to the Father's providential Care!
Hebrews: 5 And have you forgotten the exhortation which addresses you as sons? "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor lose courage when you are punished by him. 6 For the Lord disciplines him whom he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives." 7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers to discipline us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they disciplined us for a short time at their pleasure, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. 11 For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing His secret to His servants the prophets. Amos 3:7
Amen, Mario. I am praying for my kids as hard as I can..well, that's probably not true, but I'm praying for them often
I completely trust God and even more so trust Him to guide and lead us in what is upon us as it's blatantly obvious that the trials He's put us through lately have been training. My wife was kind of on the fence for the past couple of years, no more after she's seen the things we've gone through and each one of them resolved perfectly, and in ways that God's hand was clearly at work. No coincidences, lots of Godincidences.
Ready to roll, Father
Of course most of
Well Cardinal Burke, I think is a very,very good example of a Prophetic Voice. He is certainly a Prophet who has been laid on the Cross, poor man. There are numerous Prophetic voices in the Church at the present.
Poor Cardinal Burke, poor Cardinal Pell, poor Cardinal Mueller, poor Cardinal Zen; there are many more.
You know Fatima, I've kept it on topic and to the point. I didn't even tag you on a reply so it wouldn't provoke personal attacks from you... Naysayer? Wanting to attack? Think I have no sin?
I can always count on you Fatima to get to the real meainng of my posts...
The simple matter of the fact answer is that there is increased scrutiny for people who hear messages that have been consecrated to a demon. All the more importance to submit to Church authority - which has not been done. I wish him no ill will and am happy for him personally that he was able to get out of that situation.
For the record, yes - I visited one of her houses while she was there, and heard her speak and Father McGinnity read the reflections. This in't the thread to get into that now. anyone can very easily look up the concerning documentation on CG very, very easily.
Thanks ETA but not a chance. I love St. Augustine. I also love the development of doctrine that the Church has throughout her history. Development tends to go one way however, and that isn't backwards.
Excerpt of message through Verne, Oct. 23, 2007:
. My people, do not let the sin of unbelief prevent you from entering my rest. I created the world in six days. On the seventh day, I rested from the work of creation as Genesis 2:1-3 states. My people, this era of yours is soon coming to an end. The sixth day of creation is finished. The seventh day will be called the era of peace. This is a mystery which has been hidden from mankind for many years. My prophets have described these times to my people. Isaiah 30:26: And the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be seven fold, as the light of seven days: in the day when the Lord shall bind up the wounds of his people, and shall heal the stroke of their wound. Now read Isaiah 65: 17-25. This is a description of my era of peace. To repeat myself, the seventh day of creation is the fulfillment of the era of peace. Now read Apocalypse 20:1-7. These verses also describe the era of peace. The casting of the man of sin and his followers into the pool of fire, marks the end of the 6th day of creation. At that time, I will renew my creation and the seventh day will begin. This day has been described as lasting 1000 years. Remember what my word states: II Peter 3:8: But of this one thing be not ignorant, my beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The entire era of peace is described as a time period of the seventh day or a thousand years. Only I the Lord God knows the length of the era of peace. During this era of peace, my son Jesus will reign through my Catholic church. This can be called the Eucharistic reign of my son. Do not be confused with the millennial heresy. My son is not going to reign in the flesh in the temporal City of Jerusalem. This is a heretical teaching. My son is going to reign in his Eucharistic glory in the New Jerusalem, which is my church. My son will only return in the flesh at the end of the era of peace or human history, to judge mankind at the last judgment. Time will not exist during my era of peace, as you understand it.
Cletus holy man he is the Magisterium of the church. If he says so it is. Am I crazy? Now the Catholic church has these autorities? What the saints would say about a opinion like this Fatima? I think we have real possessed persons here. Sorry
When you deal with the occult you open doors in your soul to the preternatural world and the demons have special access to you that is blocked in a ordinary person. To close these doors is necessary many many years or decades of prayer and mass to totally close the doors. It is like confessing a sin and then you have to do penance to pay the debit. It is not a automatic closing of this doors to the preternatural.
This man had begun to receive these messages when he was really open doors to the preternatural. It is obvious that this case is extremely problematic. A witch with doors opens receiving the ultimate message for the end of the world and he has a sect around him.
People in the future will look back at this type of catholicism and will laugh.
luz de maria fake
all long locutions today is fake maybe there have a special exception but these long locutions today are tottaly fake. The demon is guiding a person trough this.
These sect believe in every locutions happening in the world, they do not have a minimum discerning of the spirits.
who have eyes to see...
Ok I do not know you. But I am not possessed and have never been possessed. If you study exorcists, they comment that few people are possessed. A person can be oppressed but not possessed. So be careful about claiming people are possessed. Funny, I could say the same thing about anyone who has lived in mortal sin for years. Are all alcoholics or drug addicts posssessed? Obviously not. For your information, I spoke with the dolorian Fathers, this is Father Ripperger’s group, a number of years ago. They realized I was not possessed. Their advice was to pray the rosary and go to confession. I have never exhibited any signs of possession. This is an area which I am well versed in. I forgive you for your insinuations. Jesus can deliver anyone from any sin. I can say, once I was lost but now I am free. Obviously, we live in a world of deception. Why argue about these messages? If they do not help you, let it go and move forward. This information is for people who do not know God. Regardless what you or anyone else thinks about these messages, there have been a number of people who have converted from these messages. To me I am surprised God has used these messages to assist in conversion. These messages have done what they were supposed to do. Recently I have witnessed many miracles from God. God bless you
Well then take your double standard to some more gullible group where you may be able to impress through your personal, and changeable, opinion about just which conversions should be "acceptable". Nothing like a consideration of self to be holier than the Church!
I never said you were ever possessed. That's a Strawman argument. I even said I am happy for you and recognize your conversion. Honestly, I am.
But for a person who had in the past formally consecrate themselves to the demonic and not submit their messages to Church authorities is a major red flag using traditional Catholic norms for private revelation discernment.
My entire list of reasons for concern is very clear. Perhaps go through it again?
Sorry wrong guy. The prince of peace person thought we may have possessed persons here.
PoP: luz de maria fake
Luz de Maria is approved. That has already been established with the source facts.
These people seem to feel more adequate than the Church and its own history of teachings, as based on the scripture itself, along with its protocols, to proclaim judgements upon others while at best they are only "sharing" misinformation.
Those interested, simply go to the source/s and find the accurate facts. This is habitual here and the usual suspects are happy to create chaos and division where none is meant to be.
Now then....another truthfilled message for this particular thread as it was intended to be:
My son, continue to write as I instruct you. My people how do you view your neighbor? Do you contemplate on how I see a human soul? I see a soul that I died for, in bondage to the slavery of sin, in need of my salvation. I see a soul lost without hope and love. I see souls created in my image and likeness without knowledge of their true Father. I see sheep without a shepherd. My sacred heart is full of love and compassion almost to the point of bursting for souls. My mercy holds back my justice for the love of souls. Now answer my question: Is this how you see your neighbor?
My people, without my mercy all are condemned to eternal despair. But my love and mercy are greater than all your sins. Do not judge another because without my mercy, you might be in a worse state than those you judge. All sin is an abomination in my sight. Yet I look beyond the sin and see a sick soul in need of healing. Are you a healer or destroyer of souls? Are your thoughts, words, and actions leading souls to salvation or away from salvation? I repeat myself because the number of souls on the road to hell is like snowflakes in a snowstorm. I need compassionate, merciful souls to be my instruments of mercy in this sinful world. When you view an individual, what do you see? If all you can think about is their sin, you need to repent of the sins of pride and of being judgmental. I could judge you the same way as you judge others. But I saw you as a soul in need of a savior. Any mortal sin will cast you into hell. My people, it is time to be filled with my love and mercy for the salvation of the least of my brethren.
And another beautiful one, a portion of which:
In the Holy Eucharist, you receive my body, blood, soul, and divinity. You receive the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You receive a consecrated
host in your physical body, spirit, and soul. In sanctifying grace, the Holy Trinity is received into your body, soul, and spirit. At the moment you receive the Holy Eucharist say: I love you Father and I give myself to you. I love you Jesus and I give myself to you. I love you Holy Spirit and I give myself to you. Truly my people, you are then fulfilling the first and greatest commandment. You are expressing your love to your God, in your heart, soul, mind, body and strength. For in the holy Eucharist, the Holy Trinity is more intimate with you than any human being. Then, my people, you go into the world and show your love for the Blessed Trinity, by your thoughts, words, actions, and by loving your neighbor. This is the type of relationship the Holy Trinity desires to have with all our children.
These messages were submitted to the local church authorities in MN and were permitted to be published. Also the local priest blessed all the books. Without giving names, the books were recently given the OK to be republished if there was any interest. You may not agree but the proper church channels were used and permission was granted. Believe me I originally wrote these messages down and filed them away. It was an act of God that allowed them to be published. I gave these to others who had a number of theologians read them before they were published. Several messages were discarded. There is more important things to do than rehash old arguments. We each have our own opinions and that is fine. I have not been on this forum for many months and people still argue about the validity of these messages. I know the messages were from God. Right now the world is in bad shape and we need to work for the salvation of souls and quit arguing over these messages. God bless everyone.
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..."
For those who would cast stones at others -
Read the Gospel for today - MT 5:20-26:
"whoever is angry with is brother" - thoughts in the mind against another
"whoever says to his brother 'Raqa' - grumbling against another
"whoever says 'You fool' - words against another
This is not what you have stated multiple before. If this is true can you please share who granted approval and clarify your previous explanations that approval was not sought deliberately?
This is alarming, can you please explain why the messages were discarded?
Judgement of one's soul is not what is happening, and honestly Lynn that is pretty low to insinuate that's what's what I"m doing here. A person's past consecration to the demonic is very applicable to discerning one's private revelations.
No one was insinuating that you alone were doing this, but there are some on MOG who’s opinions are certainly not very charitable. Pope Saint John Paul II said something to the effect that it is not right to take something out of context without reading the entire thing. It is my belief that sometimes that is what is happening on MOG. We all need to read the entire thing and then discern, or listen to those who have read and discerned. Of course, you are certainly allowed your opinion.
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