Prophesy - GSWYL

Read my conversation regarding what you have posted here - also posted in "Divine Will". Lynne

 

Remember Tiny Tim in the Christmas Carol, “ God bless us, everyone.” Maybe this is good advice for us all. Agree to disagree on some of these issues and move on. I appreciate everyone’s input, I think it is time to move forward.

 

Holy Week is upon us. Let us stop the arguing and reflect on the passion of Jesus Christ.

 

From the Book of Heaven

“My daughter, in order to comprehend a subject well it takes belief, because without belief everything is dark in the human intellect. On the other hand, the mere believing turns on a light in the mind, and by means of this light one can recognize with clarity truth and falsehood, when it is grace that operates, when it is nature, and when the devil. See, the Gospel is known to all, but who comprehends the meaning of my words, and the truths contained in It? Who keeps them in his heart and makes of them a treasure with which to purchase the eternal kingdom? One who believes. As for all others, not only do they not understand a thing, but they use my words to mock them and to make fun of the holiest things. So, it can be said that everything is written in the hearts of those who believe, hope and love, while nothing is written for everyone else. The same with you: one who has a little bit of belief sees things with clarity and finds the truth; one who does not, sees things as all confused.”

 

You and I must be reading two different statements from the Archbishop. The one I'm reading refers to Canon Law covering the type of private Association Mrs. Gallagher discussed with the Archdiocese, and not some casual social group with an opening and closing prayer.

Whether or not you follow her is not the issue here. Rather, the issue is that Verne says God the Father told him:

"Pride has no place in my church. Pride is causing much schism and division in my faithful. The houses of prayer are a good example. My messenger Christina Gallagher has a mission to establish my Mother’s houses of prayer. Those who are trying to fulfill her mission for her, are stumbling blocks and need to repent of their sin, for you are interrupting my work. I will not be mocked. Judgment will come on my house."
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Here's what Verne posted on this thread:

"Finally regarding Christina Gallagher sentence in the book. It states my messenger Christina Gallagher whose mission is to establish my mother’s houses of prayer. I lived in Mn when the Bishop of St Cloud approved the house of prayer in Sauk Center, MN. That message was given around the same time. The Bishop allowed an old church to be renovated and used for the house of prayer. He also allowed mass to be said at the house of prayer and Christina Gallagher to speak. This book only states about the house of prayer. It does not state any other fact as to validity or invalidity of many other of her messages. People have come from all over the country to pray there. I am not the judge, jury, and executioner of any prophecy. That is not my responsibility."​

What Verne said is all very well if he, Verne, was calling Mrs. Gallagher a messenger and had used the Bishop of St. Claud's approval as some kind of character reference for her. But Verne says that it was God the Father who called Mrs. Gallagher His (God's) messenger - the omnipotent, all seeing God from whom nothing is hidden and who can see past, present and future. If you'll believe that you'll believe anything.

 

So what is your point? Are you acting on behalf of the good people of this forum who may be unable to also read and discern the topic discussed for themselves as you've permitted yourself to do and decide for themselves what they also think about it?

If your issue is strictly the law then, and as I said I'm not as knowing as you seem to be about what goes on during the gatherings of Ms. Gallagher's, there seems to be a question of just what Ms. Gallagher's intentions are....private or public. And if it is an association for whatever purpose that is not recognized as yet by any ecclesial authority it's simply that. Now once such a group of faithful is established by the competent ecclesial authority then they are recognized as "public" associations of the faithful. It doesn't sound like she intends to do that. It's between herself and her church authority to work things out. Has he condemned her and warned the faithful to avoid her group/s for that reason.....I wouldn't know.

Although you instructed me that the "point" (I'm not sure what that is exactly) is not whether I follow her or not, it's about thus and so re: Verne's understanding of what he was told her mission was. And it has been established that such "houses of Mary" have been created in various places. I haven't a clue as to their individual fruits or even if they have since been closed or continue. I do know that there obviously have been cases in history of "messengers" that have gone forth without the local Bishop's approval. In fact some of those went beyond even that fact and were personally destroyed by the Bishop. I think in the case of LaSalette a seer, Melanie Calvat, was thrown out of the country by the Bishop and had to rely on the charity of friends to house her in England and then finally given permission by a cleric in Italy to live out her days there. And yet, later, Pope St. Pius X told the bishop of the diocese where she died to open her cause for beatification. Private revelation has many obstacles and requires dedication and courage to continue personally in any mission given. As I said previously I understood from some that they felt that Ms. Gallagher's mission had been true in the beginning but later became influenced by something else. So I don't know time lines about that nor when it was exactly that Verne's statement of what he was told by God the Father re: that mission. Hopefully people don't get so wrapped in a private revelation that they actually believe that their state of soul is dependent upon their personal assessment. No one is required to believe to such an extent and should merely keep things open for further study or not, in order to learn all aspects, and only if interested for whatever personal reason.

 

You mean people like member Fatima who is telling me to repent?

 

Hey, Mac you are a brother in Christ and our salvation is dependent on the public revelation of God: Jesus Christ, no private revelation will save you.

 

This is not some kind of silly game of one-up-man-ship. There are people here claiming that a former Baptist/Atheist/Freemason/Satanist turned Catholic has been told by God the Father to relay messages to the world - messages he received shortly after his conversion to Catholicism. One of those messages is supposedly God the Father calling Christina Gallagher His messenger.

Christina Gallagher is not some poor victim. Set up with the approval of the Bishop in 1993, the House of Prayer "was intended to be a place of quiet where the adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, the recitation of the Rosary and the provision of a place of retreat for some priests would be the only activities". Within a fortnight after the opening the then Archbishop found it necessary to "protest against persistent deviation on the part of the House of Prayer from that original simple vision". That was fourteen years before Verne's messages. https://www.tuamarchdiocese.org/2008/03/statements-about-achill-house-of-prayer/

In 1997, the current Archbishop tried to sort something out by way of a Church approved Private Association. She set up an association but told him that she would be seeking approval from Rome rather than him because she was going global. In the summer of 1998, the Bishop was told via the local radio station that she had announced the closure of her House of Prior. She re-opened it in the autumn. That was in 1998, about nine years before Verne received his message calling Mrs. Gallagher God's messenger. Had Ms Gallagher set up a Private Association as outlined by the Archbishop of Tuam in his statement of December 1997, her House of Prayer could have continued to have Mass celebrated there and continued to retain the Blessed Sacrament there. In February, 2008 the Archbishop stated that "the ‘House of Prayer’ has no Church approval and the work does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities."

Her House of Prayer in Achill is a registered business: https://www.irishexaminer.com/irela...s-to-profit-as-donations-increase-349394.html It lost its

In 2008, a member of this forum named Sean warned people about her after his elderly neighbours had given her their life savings. In 2014, another member named Steve also warned people that she is a false prophet, saying "my information predates 2007". To believe that God the Father endorsed Mrs. Gallagher in his messages to Verne in 2007, we would have to believe that God the Father wasn't as well informed as people like Sean and Steve, that He was unaware of the discussions between the Archdiocese and Mrs. Gallagher, and that He couldn't see the future.

Mrs. Gallagher's organisation is the gift that keeps on giving to the secular media here. Clips from TV programmes about it have been posted on the forum in the past. Here's another one:

 

I agree Dolours. There is something off there. What is sad is the plight of faithful Catholics who are so desperate for spiritual nourishment they run after those who claim visions and messages. In the old days such things would never receive a public forum without Church vetting but now it is no holds barred. We are left to find our way through the weeds on our own. Or worse if the Bishop does provide guidance and some adherents to whatever seer don't like what the Bishop said then the hue and cry is "he is a bad bishop-we don't have to follow him". Well in point of fact we DO have to follow him. He has the charism given by his office to discern these things. Satan is so clever. If we can't be gotten one way he will find another. Pride can be so disguised we don't even recognize it in ourselves. That is why the Church has (had) these safeguards. It is our protection. What really bothers me quite frankly is the rancor when belief in a "seer" is challenged. Why this rancor? Why this fierce need to proclaim the special difference of this or that particular "messenger". That in itself makes me uneasy. (Charlie Johnston case in point)We are in times so treacherous right now we must take care! Great care.
For myself I appreciate your caution and good sense. You are brave to raise questions.and you are right to raise questions.

 

For correction purposes I was never a Freemason. It was my grandparents. I was not s satanist. I was a witch. These a major distinctions.
Thanks

 

We all have sinned! We only have to look at the Saints such as Moses, David, Mary Magdalene, St. Paul, etc., etc., - so many in Scripture alone. The thing God wants of us mostly is our repentance with tears of sorrow for how we have offended Him (and Our Mother Mary also!). Let the first person without sin throw the first stone!

 

This is Holy Week - let us stop all this bickering. If you feel compelled to continue, please at least wait until after Jesus' Resurrection.
May all have a holy, blessed Easter.

 

That is a beautiful picture, Lynn

 

Hi Julia, I'm delighted you are going to be baptised in the Holy Spirit! The gifts (listed below) you will receive are different to the wisdom, understanding, counsel etc ones of our Catechism.

1. Word of wisdom (1 Cor. 12:8; Luke 6:9)
2. Word of knowledge (1 Cor. 12:8; Luke 18:22)
3. Faith (1 Cor. 12:9; Acts 3:6)
4. Gifts of healing (1 Cor. 12:9, 28; Acts 28:1-10)
5. Working of miracles (1 Cor. 12:10; Acts 6:8)
6. Prophecy (1 Cor. 12:10; 1 Thess. 5:20-21; Eph. 4:11)
7. Discerning of spirits (1 Cor. 12:10; Luke 8:29)
8. Tongues (1 Cor. 12:10; Acts 19:6)
9. Interpretation of tongues (1 Cor. 12:10; 14:13-33)

In my own experience of being baptised in the Holy Spirit over 30 years ago, I didn't experience anything different at the actual time itself, but did receive the gift of tongues shortly after and all of the other gifts except number 5 (yet!) over the years since. I know some people refer to the gifts as their own and perhaps they are, but in my experience I could never lay claim to having any because I would never know when the Lord would decided to use them through me. And a lot of the times I wouldn't have the interpretation of images and words of knowledge but the recipient would be shown the meaning.

If I could offer some advice, find a good prayer meeting after the baptism, with lots of praise and praying in tongues, plus a devotion to Our Lady. Keep attending faithfully and the Lord will bless you. And if you don't receive the gift of tongues at the baptism, keep asking the Holy Spirit for it. The gift of tongues will help you to open up the all the other gifts. The Lord has plans for you!!
Do be careful what you ask for though!

One of my friends, after her baptism asked for a gift nobody else wanted and the Holy Spirit blessed her with an ability to read souls, plus gifts of deliverance and healing. She now has a worldwide healing ministry with church approval, and having known her for a long time I can truly say it is a gift nobody would want, because it is a 24/7/365 job!! She hasn't a minute to herself! I will keep you in prayer.

 

With Dolours confusion comes a most important clarification and rebuke to those who dismiss Christina Gallagher and her TLIG messages from only a few days ago. I am sure this will not please those who reject Christina and her messages, but let there be no doubt they carry Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat, lest you work against the Church's Magistertium. And the fact that both Verne's message in GSWYL and a message that Lynne received in regard to Christina's "House of Prayer" should be no longer under the scorn of those who were looking for Church approval of Christina's messages.

Dear True Life in God Readers,

It was recently brought to my attention that a website which is not in receipt of any endorsement, support or authorization of the Church, and is run by an anonymous non-theologian, has posted numerous false statements against the Magisterium of the Catholic Church and the True Life in God messages of Mrs. Vassula Rydén.

To obtain clarity on this matter, I contacted His Excellency Bishop Toppo who, on April 25, 2018, provided me with the following answers that once and for all expose the falsehoods posted on said unauthorized website. Bishop Toppo’s answers are of great service to Christians around the world who continue to receive spiritual teachings and nourishment from the TLIG messages. + Rev. J.L. Iannuzzi, STD
April 26, 2018

The True Life in God messages enjoy the Magisterium’s official seals of approval, the Imprimatur and the Nihil Obstat respectively imparted on November 28, 2005 by His Excellency Bishop Felix Toppo, S.J., D.D., and on November 28, 2005 by His Excellency Archbishop Ramon C. Arguelles, STL, DD. The Church considers “reprehensible” the actions of one who publicly condemns a work that bears these Magisterium’s seal. To read the article on the authority of the Magisterium’s Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat, cf. the following link: http://www.tlig.org/en/testimonies/churchpos/nihilobstat/

Written Interview with His Excellency Bishop Felix Toppo, S.J., D.D.

Fr. Joseph: Your Excellency, on the unauthorized website there is the public statement that affirms as follows, “The nihil obstat and imprimatur were not sought in accordance with Canon Law dispositions. Although Vassula never resided in the Philippines nor was the TLIG One volume of messages published there, the imprimatur was granted by a bishop of that country (Archbishop Argüelles of Lipa). Canon 824 §1 states that the permission or approval to publish should be granted by the local ordinary (= bishop) of the author or of the publisher.” Obviously this statement is false, as Canon 824 §1 clearly states that “the ordinary of the place where the books are published” is vested with the authority to grant the Imprimatur to a work that is circulated in his diocese even though the author does not live in his diocese.

Bishop Toppo: “I thank you very much for pointing out the false criticisms against ArchbishopArguelles of Lipa and Me (http://www.pseudomystica.info/tlignihilobstat.htm) with regard to Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat given by us to the TRUE LIFE IN GOD. In response to the false criticisms against us I would like to say that Archbishop Arguelles of Lipa in giving Imprimatur to TLIG did not go against Canon Law as it grants permission to any Bishop to give Imprimatur for a book that is circulated in his diocese, even though the author does not live in his diocese.”

Fr. Joseph: Thank you for your response. May I ask you to address also the following assertion on the aforesaid website, “Canon 830 §2 warns the censor that any favoritism should be laid aside, and only the doctrine of the Church as proposed by the Magisterium should be considered. This canon was blatantly ignored… Bishop Toppo of India is a regular participant at the TLIG pilgrimages and has declared that he believes the messages to be of supernatural origin.” http://www.pseudomystica.info/tlignihilobstat.htm

CIC, 824 §1: “Unless it is established otherwise, the local ordinary whose permission or approval to publish books must be sought according to the canons of this title is the proper local ordinary of the author or the ordinary of the place where the books are published.”

Bishop Toppo: “It is alleged that I, Bishop Toppo, S.J., showed favouritism in giving Nihil Obstat. It is absolutely false. I did not show any favouritism, nor can the contrary be demonstrated. It is to be noted that the CDF never condemned the TLIG writings but rather petitioned clarifications which were then accepted by Rome.

Before I gave the Nihil Obstat to the TLIG messages, I read many times and meditated upon them. The Nihil Obstat is the result of unbiased and uncoerced theological review of the TLIG. I found that the Messages were immune of all theological errors. I am a regular participant of the TLIG pilgrimages. The Canon Law does not forbid any bishop from attending retreats or conferences, of those individuals whose writings they consider immune from error.”

Fr. Joseph: Lastly, Your Excellency, would you be so kind as to provide for the True Life in God readers a response to the below posting on said website, as it falsely suggests that a canonical advisor overrides your episcopal authority to pronounce matters of Church doctrine, “Bishop Toppo told in an interview, that before giving the nihil obstat to Vassula's books, he previously asked the opinion of a famous Canon Law expert, who clearly told him that according to Canon Law, he could not give the nihil obstat.”

Bishop Toppo: “It is alleged that before giving the Nihil Obstat to Vassula’s book, I told in an interview, that I had asked for the opinion of a famous Canon Law expert who clearly had told me that I could not give Nihil Obstat. After a bishop has consulted with others for advice, he retains his authority to grant the Nihil Obstat. Some assert the opposite, but this is absolutely false. After I consulted with a canon lawyer and a renowned theologian who offered their respective advice, I then brought the matter to prayer before the Eucharist. I did not find anything in Vassula’s book that is contrary to the teachings of the Church, but found that it contains much good for the universal Church, that is, for all the baptized in Christ. It was after advice, prayer and discernment that I granted my Nihil Obstat.

Rev. Joseph Iannuzzi, thank you for your suggestions and support! Hope this will be useful to the TLIG readers!”

+Felix Toppo, S.J.
Bishop of Jamshedpur

 

Hi, my impression of Christina Gallagher whom I saw in UK 21 years ago
After the mass and her talk ,they had a number of religious items for sale including a book on Christina ' experience with our Lord
Firstly I was shocked at price £10,which was quite steep for anyone who didn' have much cash.
Especially if you wanted to spread the word of God
I bought and read some of the book and was outraged at her claim of actually being asked, and given a ring,to marry Jesus
Suffice to say I burned said book and quite frankly I lost my way for a while and questioned my faith
Thank God I returned ,but to me Christina Gallagher was /is just a fraud

 

Member Fatima is following so many unapproved messages he is a little confused.
A fair indication of where following GSWYL will lead you.

 

My apologies. You are correct. Vassula's messages were the ones being addressed by Father Iannuzzi. Her messages have been a point of contention for many as well and it is a welcome to see that those who have spoken out against her TLIG messages have received confirmation that nothing in them is contrary to Church teaching.

 

Are you human and do you make mistakes? Should we not as Christians show more charity toward each other?