Brian says 'Amen' to Dolours quote. I prefer to copy a few quotes from Matthew's gospel: 1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Yes, but I think that´s not the point. The majority were in mutiny, so to speak, through no fault of these popes, who were clear in their teachings and were true apostles of Christ, particularly (in my view) Popes John Paul and Benedict. Can you blame Moses because mankind by and large ignored the Ten Commandments? Can you blame Jesus because 2,000 years after him the Mother of God had to come from heaven to tell us that "God exists"? The current pope, however, seems to be part of the mutiny, not someone trying to stop it. Therein lies the problem.
The thing is davidtlig, the faithful do not have to judge, because Jesus has already done so. We only have to adhere to what Jesus has already judged as contrary to the will of God, ie. Sodomy, Adultery, Fornication, Euthanasia, Abortion, Contraception. Yes, all of these deadly sins that Jesus taught against are up for renegotiation with the current Pope and his followers. Are you okay with this? Yes, Jesus also taught his faithful, we are to "judge a tree by its fruit" "Either make the tree good and its fruit good: or make the tree evil, and its fruit evil. For by the fruit the tree is known." [Matthew 12:33] The truth is pruning the limbs and removing the weeds around it and fertilizing it in God's laws of love. If, after all this work the tree still does not bear fruit it will be cut down and cast into the fires of hell for all eternity. These sins mentioned above are all opposed to God's tree of life and if you support in any way these sins, your fruit is bad. We don't have to judge, because God already has already done so and has seen the rotten fruits of this generation, which our Lady of Fatima warned against when she foretold that the last battle between God and Satan would be on marriage and family issues, but who would have known then that it would come form the highest office within the house of God? "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit." [Matthew 7:18]
Only Pope Francis can end the ‘apostasy’ his words have caused: Italian monsignor https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/o...apostasy-his-ambiguous-and-erroneous-words-ha Excerpts: Apostasy arises, he said in the June 21 interview with the National Catholic Register’s Ed Pentin, when “cardinals are silent” in the face of false teaching, when bishops “say the opposite” of what the Church actually teaches, and when priests “contest the liturgical tradition of the Church.” “The Apostle exhorts us to be faithful to sure, sound, and pure doctrine: that founded on Jesus Christ and not on worldly opinions (cf. Titus 1:7-11; 2:1-8). Perseverance in teaching and obedience to doctrine leads souls to eternal salvation,” he said. The Monsignor said that one of the problems under the pontificate of Pope Francis is that many mistakenly believe that everything the Pope says or writes is Magisterial teaching that must be followed, when such is not the case. Obedience is owed to the Pope, the monsignor said, insofar as he continues to teach the one true faith. Pope Francis “should make a Declaration or Profession of Faith, affirming what is Catholic, and correcting those ambiguous and erroneous words and acts — his own and those of bishops — that are interpreted in a non-Catholic manner,” he said. The monsignor made a reference to the recent unsuccessful attempt of four cardinals to obtain a private audience with the Pope to discuss what they called “confusion and disorientation” in the Church. He noted the irony of having a pope who champions “dialogue” while, at the same time, refuses to meet with those who are critical of novelties brought into the Church under the Pope’s watch.
http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-francis-my-advice-is-always-dialogue-dialogue Pope Francis: My advice is always “dialogue, dialogue, dialogue 118 2013-07-27 Vatican Radio (Vatican Radio) Pope Francis met with leading members of Brazilian society on Saturday and stressed the importance of "constructive dialogue," saying this was essential at the present moment. “Between selfish indifference and violent protest," he said, "there is always another possible option, that of dialogue.” The Pope also called for a more inclusive and humanistic economic and political process, eliminating “forms of elitism” and eradicating poverty. In his address to the political, diplomatic, cultural, religious, academic and business leaders of Brazil the Pope paid tribute to the country’s distinct cultural tradition, looked at their joint responsibility for building the future, and stressed the need for constructive dialogue in facing the present moment. He told the leaders that the future demands of us a humanistic vision of the economy and a politics capable of ensuring greater and more effective participation on the part of all. This, he continued, is the road that we are called to travel. The Pope went on to say that anyone exercising a role of leadership needs to keep hope alive even in the face of disappointments, and be generous even without apparent results. He said leaders make decisions in the present but should always have an eye to the future, reflecting on the consequences of our decisions. Pope Francis concluded his address by pointing to something which he considers essential for facing the present moment: constructive dialogue. A country grows when constructive dialogue occurs between its many rich cultural components. The Pope revealed that when leaders in various fields ask him for advice, his response is always the same: "Dialogue, dialogue, dialogue!" This, he said, is the only way for individuals, families and societies to grow. He said fraternal relations between people and cooperation in building a more just society are not some vague utopia but the fruit of a concerted effort on the part of all, in service of the common good.
The thing is davidtlig, the faithful do not have to judge, because Jesus has already done so. No, Fatima, Jesus didn't say 'we do not have to judge'. He said we must not judge others. Yet most of the criticism of Francis and his Cardinals involves a significant degree of 'judging others' (as distinct from their actions). We only have to adhere to what Jesus has already judged as contrary to the will of God, ie. Sodomy, Adultery, Fornication, Euthanasia, Abortion, Contraception. Yes, all of these deadly sins that Jesus taught against are up for renegotiation with the current Pope and his followers. You are mistaken. The sinfulness of all those is clear and unchanged by anything Pope Francis has done. Cardinal Muller along with most of his fellow cardinals would be the first to complain if any of what you say were true. We don't have to judge, because God already has already done so and has seen the rotten fruits of this generation. Yes, God has indeed seen the fruits of this generation and the one that preceded it. Eventually, this time of mercy which could be said to have begun at the time of the Garabandal apparitions and has increased in intensity with the Medjugorje apparitions. Eventually, God will say "Enough" and the chastisement spoken of in Akita will play out. Pope Francis' pontificate is coming at the end of the time of mercy but the apostasy and sinfulness of the past 50 years will indeed have to be paid for.
There are plenty of quotes from you judging others littered all over this forum. I think you should look at this little list of yours and do some introspection rather than pointing fingers.
Do not judge means do not judge the state of a person's soul. It would be ridiculous to suggest that we cannot judge from a person's own words whether he is preaching heresy. Pope Francis said that it is revealed in the Gospel of Jesus that God needs us. That's heresy. When you defended that statement I asked you to point out where in the Gospel it has been revealed that God needs us and you couldn't, using the excuse that you are not a theologian. It's basic Catholic teaching that God is whole, complete and omnipotent within Himself and that He needs nothing from us. The Church has never taught otherwise yet you are willing to accept a contrary view merely because Pope Francis said it. The Superior General of the Jesuits said that the devil is a Christian construct rather than a real being. That's heresy and directly contradicts what Jesus told us about the devil. The Superior General of the Jesuits also cast doubts on the authenticity of the Bible because the Apostles didn't have tape recorders yet the Church teaches that the Bible is the inspired word of God. Members of the Jesuit order elected that man to be their leader and the Pope wants members of that order to teach discernment to seminarians. That priest you quoted is portraying Pope Francis as Jesus reincarnated. That's heresy. When people spout heretical beliefs as God's truth, it isn't a judgement on the state of their souls to call them heretics. It's simply stating a fact.
Far from seeing a rupture between Francis and his immediate predecessors, John Paul II and Benedict XVI, Carrón insists that Francis is actually the “radicalization” of Benedict. “He says the same thing, but in a way that it gets across to everyone in a simple way through gestures, without in any sense reducing the density of what Benedict said,” he said. In essence, Carrón’s book is a synthesis of the vision for Christian life that comes from Giussani, as amplified by each of the last three popes. The key idea is that Christianity is about “disarmed beauty,” meaning a way of life that imposes itself through no power other than its own inherent attractiveness. “I wanted to get across that the power of the faith is in its beauty, its attractiveness,” Carrón said. “It doesn’t need any other power, any other tools or particular situations, to be resplendent, just like the mountains don’t need anything else to take our breath away.”
Looking at some of the response above, I seriously wonder if people understand the nature of hypocrisy, the sin which Jesus seemed to view particularly severely. Here is a little quote from Francis on the topic from a recent homily: “Jesus always responds to hypocrites and ideologists with reality: ‘this is the reality; everything else is either hypocrisy or ideology’. In this case he said: ‘bring me a coin’, and he answered with the wisdom of the Lord: ‘Repay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar – the reality was that the coin carried the image of Caesar – and to God what belongs to God.’” The language of hypocrisy, Francis also said, is the language of deceit, “the same language the serpent used with Eve.” While it starts with flattery, it ends up destroying people. “It tears to pieces the personality and the soul of a person. It destroys communities,” the Pope said. Warning all Christians who at times are hypocritical, Pope Francis stressed how problematic this sin is for the Church. “The hypocrite is capable of destroying a community. While speaking gently, he ruinously judges a person. He is a killer,” the Pope said. Pope Francis concluded, giving two pieces of advice–respond to flattery only with truth, and respond to ideology, only with reality–, and praying: “Let us ask the Lord to guard us from this vice, to help us be truthful, and if this is not possible to keep silent – but never to be a hypocrite.” https://zenit.org/articles/hypocrisy-hurts-the-church-warns-pope-at-morning-mass/
Too bad it was most likely ghost written. As most of his good public homilies are. Speaking of hypocrisy - his entire pontificate is an abject lesson in it.
Hypocrisy writ large. https://akacatholic.com/dubia-cardinals-audience-request-answered/ Dubia cardinals’ audience request: ANSWERED Louie Dubia cardinals’ audience request: ANSWERED Addressing the opening of the Italian Bishops’ Conference General Assembly on 22 May, Francis implored the gathering: “The first of these gifts [of the Holy Spirit] is already in the convenire in unum (coming together in unity), willing to share time, listening, creativity and consolation. I hope these days will be crossed by open, humble and frank confrontation. Do not fear the moments of opposition: entrust yourselves to the Spirit, who opens to diversity and reconciles what is different in fraternal charity.” As His Humbleness spoke, nearly a month had already passed since he had received a letter written on behalf of the four Dubia Brothers formally requesting an audience in order to, and I quote: Request for clarification of the five points indicated by the dubia; reasons for this request. Situation of confusion and disorientation, especially among pastors of souls, in primis parish priests. In spite of his appeals for honest and frank confrontation and openness toward opposition, the aforementioned request for an audience had been met with nothing but silence from Francis. The author of said letter, Cardinal Carlo Caffara, the retired Archbishop of Bologna, was present in the assembly that day, and there can be no doubt that he, more than anyone else, marveled at the magnitude of hypocrisy on display at that moment. It is also quite likely that Cardinal Caffara understood very well that certain portions of Francis’ address were aimed directly at himself and the three other troublemakers-in-red who had joined him in co-authoring the Dubia. For instance, His Hypocriticalness declared: “The Synodal breath and step reveal what we are and the dynamism of communion that animates our decisions. Only in this horizon can we truly renew our pastoral program and adapt it to the mission of the Church in today’s world; only thus can we address the complexity of this time, thankful for the course accomplished and determined to continue it with parrhesia.” Get it? For those with ears to hear, Francis is essentially saying: Amoris Laetitia is a fruit of the “Synodal” process, which itself is a manifestation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit! This is what animated the decision to effectively abrogate mortal sin (AL 301), to declare the Divine Law too lofty for some to keep (AL 301), and to accuse God of asking us to persist in adultery (AL 303); thus addressing “the complexity of this time.” Therefore, let us be “thankful for the course accomplished and determined to continue it with parrhesia.” Parrhesia – open and candid speech. In other words, Amoris Laetitia is a done deal. The only dialogue worthy of having concerns how to implement its “pastoral program.” As such, do not expect an audience ordered toward derailing the effort; it’s too late for that now. From there, Francis continued his address to the bishops (and one wonders if perhaps he even made eye contact with Cardinal Caffara) as he said: “In reality, this path is marked also by closures and resistances: our infidelities are a heavy mortgage put on the credibility of the testimony of the depositum fidei, a much worse threat than that which comes from the world with its persecutions. NB: In this, Francis is suggesting that Amoris Laetitia – the origins of which can be traced back through the Synods directly to the Holy Ghost – belongs to the deposit of faith! As such, men like the Dubia Brothers and those who support them, he insists, are guilty of nothing less than infidelity, and this for merely asking five simple yes/no questions that an adolescent should be able to answer! Following are just a few of the remaining comments offered by Francis that are clearly intended as a response to both the Dubia and the request for an audience submitted by its authors: – “If we keep our trust in God’s surprising initiative, the strength of patience and the fidelity of Confessors: we do not have to fear the second death.” [Note: This seems to refer to those “Confessors” who now – surprise! – have the authority to declare persons inculpable for the mortal sins they are determined to continue.] – “Let us learn to give up useless ambitions and our obsession in order to live constantly under the gaze of the Lord…” [A reference to both the “God of Surprises” and those ambitious Dubia cardinals.] – “We are exposed to the temptation to reduce Christianity to a series of principles deprived of concreteness…” [“Concrete,” as in immutable doctrinal truths.] – “Let us open the heart to the knocking of the eternal Pilgrim: let us have Him enter, let us dine with Him.” [The “Pilgrim” Christ who is evolving right along with us!] At this, it should be eminently clear that Francis has answered every doubt, every question, and every request that has come his way relative to the blasphemies and heresies put forth in Amoris Laetitia. The only step that remains is for God to raise up men among the cardinals with the mustard seed’s worth of Catholic faith to declare what has taken place: Jorge Bergoglio has revealed himself to be a pertinacious heretic; thus no member of the Church, much less her head. Could it be that the letter of Cardinal Caffara was made public, not in a last ditch effort to pressure Francis into responding as some have alleged, but to set the stage for making the case that he already has? Let us hope and pray and offer sacrifices that grace will abound among all concerned; that this scourge upon the Church may soon be mitigated according to God’s holy will.
That's a good summary of Amoris Laetitia and the damage it's deceitful language is doing to the Church. The Church managed for 2000 years to deal with reality without twisting the words of Jesus to mean something He never said. Let's hope the Holy Father reflects on the damage being done to Christ's Church by his deceitful language and hypocrisy of professing to believe Church teaching while condoning its contradiction in pastoral practice. He needs to decide whether he truly believes all that the Church has held to be true for 2000 years and do the honourable thing if there are some teachings he doesn't accept. (Hint: the honourable thing isn't to undermine or attempt to change the teachings).
