Pope Francis covered up McCarrick abuse, former US nuncio testifies

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  1. AED

    AED Powers

    Thank you Mary’s child. Where exactly is the shrine? I might try to go there.
     
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  2. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. I read today that Bishop Strickland of Tyler (Texas?) had all his priests read a letter to the Mass attendees citing Bishop Vigano’s letter and supporting it. May many more bishops come forward!
    Someone asked why Bishop Vigano waited to speak. Perhaps there were forces we know nothing about intimidating him. But...he spoke out now and may God bless him for it.
     
  3. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    I knew all of this 22 years ago. Everyone knew. I am sure you knew Brian since you were also fighting this. It is time for the Joe Croziers and Mark Malletts and opus deis of the world to acknowledge this. Otherwise go and find something else to spin.
     
  4. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Pope Francis. If you care about your soul please step aside.
     
  5. picadillo

    picadillo Guest


    Oh the old attack the messenger. So very simple. Resign.
     
  6. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Will Mr. Fake Mercy and Mr. Fake humility and Mr. Fake I care about the abuse crisis resign? We will see how selfish and fake he really is.
     
  7. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Not very charitable...but expected. Sad
     
  8. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Want to purify the Roman Catholic Church? Have the Masonic St Gallens group leave. Very simple fallen saint.
     
  9. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Maybe President Donald Trump can tell our commie pope what a real CatholivChristian believes fs.
     
  10. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Patriot Act and PF s seamless garment comes from the same Masonic ideology.
     
  11. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    http://wdtprs.com/blog/2018/08/some-reactions-to-the-vigano-testimony/

    Some reactions to the Viganò Testimony. – UPDATED
    Posted on 26 August 2018 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf
    Some reactions to the Viganò Testimony.

    First, Massimo “Beans” Faggioli on Twitter.

    There are three popes accused by Vigano's testimony. One is dead and a saint.
    The one who took visible and public action against McCarrick in 2018 is pope Francis.
    The rest is a story with many holes, gaps, unexplained delays, and remarkable silences by former nuncio Vigano.

    — Massimo Faggioli (@MassimoFaggioli) 6:09 AM - Aug 26, 2018
    Really, Beans. You can do better.

    Viganò explained precisely the things you mention.

    Few people have more skin in the game than homosexualist activist James Martin, SJ. Vigano wrote quite a bit about the “deviant” wing of the Jesuits, pointing out Martin in particular. If Vigano is right, then Martin’s cred is done. Martin attacked Vigano on Twitter, deleted, but others had it already and re-posted. Thanks, to Thom Peters!

    First tweet of @JamesMartinSJ post +Vigano letter release is an attempt to discredit the source:

    — Thomas Peters (@AmericanPapist) 11:42 PM - Aug 25, 2018
    A different perspective shows how those around Francis treated people in the conservative end of the spectrum:

    Thinking about Fr Manelli, founder of the FFI, who abused no one. Guilty only of embracing Summorum Pontificum and a traditional spirituality. Placed under house arrest. Denied even a visit to his parents grave. Saw his life work dismantled. All the while Francis KNEW (McCarrick)

    — Gary Paul H ‏ن (@enternoon)5:22 AM - Aug 26, 2018
    In the Illustrated Catholic Dictionary, the FFI’s photo would be placed at the entry for “persecution”.

    In Italy, I am told, the papers and sites are pretty hot. At La Stampa Andrea “Wormtongue” Tornielli writes (in Italian):

    The document again offers, in detail, hearsay and information already circulated for at least the last two months in the antipapal and American and European traditionalist media galaxy, seeking to place all responsibility on the shoulders of the present Pope.

    See what he did there?

    The fact remains that everyone knew what McCarrick was, including Pope Francis, who had been informed. Pope Francis not only did not do anything about McCarrick, he rehabilitated him.

    Il Messaggero, on the other hand, accepts the Testimony. In its story, we are reminded about the financial clout certain prelates, now being defended by Martin, Beans, Wormtongue and the rest, had in Rome. Oh, and there’s the “gay” angle.

    A dossier (made known by various blogs and critical headlines about Pope Bergoglio) fell like a lightning bolt on the Pope’s trip to Ireland, … In this Testimony, signed by Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, ex-nuncio to the USA (who was in his time at the origin of Vatileaks during the reign of Benedict XVI, uncovering a corrupt financial system infiltrated by the gay lobby) there are very heavy testimonies about one of the most obscene cases of coverup of a system of pedophiles, that of Card. Theodore McCarrick, once Archbishop of Washington and munificent financier of the Holy See.

    It goes on to mention Wuerl also as a “generous benefactor” for the Vatican. McCarrick founded the Papal Foundation in 1988. Big money.

    Nichole of AP, dear Nichole can always be counted on, can be found in the McClatchy paper, the anti-Catholic Kansas City Star. Watch the language she uses.

    The National Catholic Register and another conservative site, LifeSiteNews, published the letter attributed to Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on Sunday as the pope wrapped up a two-day visit to Ireland dominated by the clerical sex abuse scandal.

    Viganò, 77, a conservative whose hard-line anti-gay views are well known, urged the reformist pope to resign over the issue and what he called the “conspiracy of silence” about McCarrick. He and the pope have long been on opposite ideological sides, with the pope more a pastor and Vigano more a cultural warrior.

    ….

    The letter also contains a lengthy diatribe about homosexuals and liberals in the Catholic church. It often reads like an ideological manifesto, naming all of Francis’ known supporters in the U.S. hierarchy as being complicit in a cover-up of McCarrick’s misdeeds.

    No, no! That’s fine principled reporting! Not an implicit position in it. Nope, objective to the end.

    Then she winds up with the old smear stories. That’s the tactic now. Discredit Viganò by reminding people of the Pope’s meeting with Kim Davis (who refused to sign same-sex marriage certificates) and Archbp. Neinstedt, who resigned after not taking care of credible accusations made about priests, but whose TRUE crime was his strong opposition to legalization of same-sex marriage through a change to the Minnesota Constitution.

    At the National Sodomotical Reporter (aka Fishwrap) there is nothing yet from Madame Wile E. Defarge (aka Michael Sean Winters) but there is a “news” piece. There is something telling in it:

    NCR has chosen not to name prelates identified by Vigano in his report except in cases where the officials were known to be his or McCarrick’s direct superiors or predecessors, due to the inability to corroborate the former ambassador’s account.

    No no… they’re not carrying any water for anyone. Nosirrrrrreeeee!

    UPDATE:

    Madame Wile E. Lafarge has issued his reaction. It is predictable.

    It is mainly character assassination and complaining about the focus Viganò gave to Lafarge’s own predilections. That’s surely what set him off. Given Madame’s inclinations, you can understand why he would speak so virulently of Viganò.

    He also trotted out of a couple of his favorite words! “Putsch” and “vemon”.

    Yawn.
     
  12. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    Unbelievable. We now have a real war on our hands. It’s not going to be pretty.


    https://www.ncronline.org/news/acco...dismisses-viganos-accusations-mccarrick-cover

    Pope Francis dismisses Vigano's accusations of McCarrick cover-up
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    Pope Francis responds to a question from a reporter aboard his flight from Dublin to Rome Aug. 26. (CNS/Paul Haring)

    ABOARD THE PAPAL FLIGHT FROM DUBLIN — Pope Francis dismissed the accusations of a former Vatican ambassador that he covered up for ex-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, saying an 11-page document of unsubstantiated claims released by the prelate "speaks for itself."

    Asked about the letter from Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano in a press conference aboard the Aug. 26 flight back to Rome after a two-day visit to Ireland, Francis advised journalists to "read the statement attentively and make your own judgment."

    "I will not say a single word on this," the pope said of the letter. "I think this statement speaks for itself, and you have the sufficient journalistic capacity to draw conclusions."

    "When some time passes and you have your conclusions, maybe I will speak," said Francis. "But I would like that your professional maturity carries out this task."

    Vigano's letter, released on the second day of Francis' Aug. 25-26 visit, claimed that dozens of former and current high-level officials in the Catholic Church perpetrated over two decades a systemic cover-up of allegations against McCarrick.

    The archbishop, who served as the Vatican's ambassador to Washington from 2011 to 2016, also accused Francis of ignoring the allegations against McCarrick and called on him to resign in order to "set a good example for cardinals and bishops who covered up McCarrick's abuses."

    But at least several of the letter's accusations appear contradicted by the historical record, and it is also laced with ideological claims.

    Francis spoke about Vigano's letter as part of a 45-minute conference in which he also discussed the Vatican's processes for judging bishops accused of covering up abuse, how laypeople should respond when they hear of abuse allegations, and what advice he would give to a parent of a child coming out as gay.

    The pope was asked about how the Vatican holds bishops to account in the context of an NCR interview Aug. 26 with Irish abuse survivor Marie Collins, a former member of the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors.

    Collins, who was part of a group of eight Irish survivors who met with Francis for 90 minutes Aug. 25, revealed that the pope had said he is not planning to follow through on a 2015 proposal for the Vatican to create one tribunal tasked with judging bishops accused of mishandling abuse allegations.

    Although Francis said he has "esteem" for Collins, he said the idea for such a tribunal is "not viable." He said that instead of having one dedicated tribunal, the Vatican is now instituting tribunals on a case-by-case basis, as needed.

    This breaking news story is being updated.

    [Joshua J. McElwee is NCR Vatican correspondent. His email address is jmcelwee@ncronline.org. Follow him on Twitter: @joshjmac.]
     
  13. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    Vigano receives the “Dubia treatment”:


    https://www.catholicworldreport.com...ngle-word-on-viganos-allegations-of-cover-up/

    Pope: ‘I will not say a single word’ on Vigano’s allegations of cover-up
    During an in-flight press conference as he returned from Ireland, Francis said people should make up their own minds about the ex-nuncio’s claims that the Pope new about allegations against McCarrick.
    August 26, 2018 Catholic News Agency Print

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    Pope Francis listens to a question from reporter Anna Matranga of CBS News aboard his flight from Dublin to Rome Aug. 26. Matranga asked the pope about a statement made by Italian Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, the former apostolic nuncio to the United States, concerning Archbishop Theodore E. McCarrick. (CNS photo/Paul Haring)
    By Hannah Brockhaus

    Pope Francis said Sunday that he will not comment on claims by a former Vatican ambassador to the U.S. that the pope knew about allegations against Archbishop Theodore McCarrick and reinstated him in ministry. The pope said people should make up their own minds about the claims.

    Asked whether it was true that Archbishop Carlo Viganò, the statement’s author, had informed him in 2013 about McCarrick’s alleged sexual misconduct with priests and seminarians, and if it was true Benedict XVI had previously imposed sanctions on the former cardinal, the pope said he was distracted by the previous question and would have preferred to talk about the trip.

    Speaking aboard the papal plane from Rome to Dublin Aug. 26, Francis said he believes in the “journalistic capacity to draw your own conclusions,” calling it an “act of faith.”

    “When some time passes and you have drawn your conclusions, I may speak. But I would like your professional maturity to do the work for you. It will be good for you,” he told members of the press.

    Asked in a follow up question when he first learned about the abuse allegations against McCarrick, Pope Francis responded, “This is part of the statement. Study it and then I will say.”

    The pope was being asked about an 11-page statement published late Saturday, written by Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, who served as apostolic nuncio in Washington D.C. from 2011 to 2016.

    Viganò claimed that Pope Francis “continued to cover” for McCarrick, and not only did he repeal the sanctions imposed by Benedict, but also made McCarrick “his trusted counselor.”

    He claimed that McCarrick, the former archbishop of Washington, advised the pope to appoint a number of bishops in the United States, including Cardinal Blase Cupich of Chicago, Cardinal Joseph Tobin of Newark, and Bishop Robert McElroy of San Diego.

    The former nuncio, who said his “conscience dictates” that the truth be known as “the corruption has reached the very top of the Church’s hierarchy,” called on Pope Francis and other Church officials accused of covering up abuse allegations to resign.
     
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  15. Richard67

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    We all remember the lightning strike on the Vatican, but how many recall that a few days after Pope Benedict announced his resignation, a “star”literally fell from heaven, landing in Cheybalinsk Russia on February 15, 2013. Had that asteroid been just a little bigger and heavier, it could have impacted the surface with devastating consequences for us all. Perhaps it was a warning of the nature of the Chastisment that will befall us if the Church and the World don’t get their acts together?
     
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  16. AED

    AED Powers

    That’s why I think the unmasking that arecoming to the elites in politics and entertainment etc are going to encompass the Vatican as well.
     
  17. Virtue

    Virtue Angels

    Perhaps it was Satan falling from heaven and marking the time of the Anti-Christ.
     
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  18. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

     
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  19. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    Enfield NH
     
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  20. AED

    AED Powers

    Thank you. I will look it up. I hope I could make it a day trip. I would love to go.
     
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