Pope Francis covered up McCarrick abuse, former US nuncio testifies

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  1. gracia

    gracia Archangels

    That is incredibly sad, but true.
     
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  2. HeavenlyHosts

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    When the church and the World are one, then comes the end
    St Anthony of the Desert
     
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  3. AED

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  4. AED

    AED Powers

    I meant to post but it posted before I wrote:confused:
    I meant to say poor poor shepherds. “It is a terrible thing to fall into the Hands of the Living God”. We must i think increase our prayers and sacrifices. Their souls—and ours—are in such danger. The devil is so cunning. I should have been doing this for priests years ago! But I can do it now. (11th Hour workero_O)
    I try not to get discouraged with myself but To paraphrase St Philip Neri—“ oh brothers! When will I start to do good!”
     
  5. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Supposedly this came from a law enforcement source. We will see.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...l-to-subpoena-all-ny-catholic-dioceses-in-sex

    NY attorney general subpoenas every Catholic diocese in statewide sex abuse probe: report
    By Michael Burke - 09/06/18 01:28 PM EDT 113
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    New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood (D) has subpoenaed all eight Roman Catholic dioceses in the state as part of a probe into the church's handling of sex abuse allegations, The Associated Press reported Thursday.

    A source told the AP that the subpoenas, which went out Thursday, are requesting documents related to sex abuse accusations, payments to victims or findings from internal church investigations.

    Underwood's office is investigating how the Catholic Church reviewed and "potentially covered up allegations of extensive sexual abuse in NY," she tweeted Thursday, adding that her office is looking to partner with district attorneys across the state to investigate and potentially prosecute individuals.

    Underwood also announced a clergy abuse hotline and online complaint form, where victims and others can provide information related to allegations of sex abuse in the church.

    Last month, a grand jury report in Pennsylvania identified more than 300 Catholic priests in the state accused of committing acts of sexual abuse that were allegedly covered up by church officials.

    “The Pennsylvania grand jury report shined a light on incredibly disturbing and depraved acts by Catholic clergy, assisted by a culture of secrecy and cover ups in the dioceses. Victims in New York deserve to be heard as well — and we are going to do everything in our power to bring them the justice they deserve,” Underwood said in a statement Thursday.
     
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  6. HeavenlyHosts

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    Remember that the sacrifice of our daily duties counts as penance with Our Lady
     
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  7. HeavenlyHosts

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    I just heard this on local news radio
     
  8. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Stock up the popcorn.
     
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  9. New York subpoenas Catholic dioceses in sex abuse probe: source

    By Gina Cherelus

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - New York's attorney general issued civil subpoenas on Thursday to all eight Roman Catholic dioceses in the state as part of a sex abuse investigation, a law enforcement source said.

    The subpoenas are part of an ongoing civil investigation by Attorney General Barbara Underwood's office into how dioceses reviewed and may have covered up allegations of sexual abuse of minors, said the source, who asked not to be identified.

    In August, Underwood sought to partner with district attorneys, the only entities with the power to convene grand juries in the state, to investigate possible crimes.

    There is no time limit under New York state's statute of limitations for so-called Class A felonies such as rape.

    "The Pennsylvania grand jury report shined a light on incredibly disturbing and depraved acts by Catholic clergy, assisted by a culture of secrecy and cover ups in the dioceses," Underwood said in a statement on Thursday, announcing New York's investigation.

    The Archdiocese of New York said in a statement that it was eager to work with Underwood in the investigation.

    "Not only do we provide any information they seek, they also notify us as well when they learn of an allegation of abuse, so that, even if they cannot bring criminal charges, we might investigate and remove from ministry any cleric who has a credible and substantiated allegation of abuse," said Joseph Zwilling, a spokesman for the Archdiocese of New York.

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/york-subpoenas-catholic-dioceses-sex-abuse-probe-source-173227434.html
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    Has Media Ignored Sex Abuse In School?


    This column was written by Tom Hoopes.
    John Karr isn't a priest. He's a teacher.

    Most teachers are dedicated, hard-working people who wouldn't dream of hurting a child. The same is true of priests.

    If the suspect in the 1996 murder of JonBenet Ramsey were a priest, there would be a fresh outcry about a decades-long cover-up in the Catholic Church. Commentators from Left and Right would rightly unite in decrying the crisis and the entrenched complacency that led to it. Catholic pundits would take a special relish in pointing out that they agree: The Church had better get its act together.

    Any institution that has allowed children to be harmed by predators deserves to be taken to task for it. No institution should get a pass. And no profession should get a pass. Not preachers, not priests — not even teachers.

    Especially not teachers. And yet …

    Consider the statistics: In accordance with a requirement of President Bush's No Child Left Behind Act, in 2002 the Department of Education carried out a study of sexual abuse in the school system.

    Hofstra University researcher Charol Shakeshaft looked into the problem, and the first thing that came to her mind when Education Week reported on the study were the daily headlines about the Catholic Church.

    "[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?" she said. "The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

    So, in order to better protect children, did media outlets start hounding the worse menace of the school systems, with headlines about a "Nationwide Teacher Molestation Cover-up" and by asking "Are Ed Schools Producing Pedophiles?"

    No, they didn't. That treatment was reserved for the Catholic Church, while the greater problem in the schools was ignored altogether.

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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/
     
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  10. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    The education systems of most Western democracies are fully integrated into the liberal world-view, many featuring perversions being indoctrinated into pre-schoolers. The media do not consider the educationalists, who buy into the same nihilism as the media themselves, as a target. The Catholic Church, the traditional bastion against liberal/modernist ideas, is their target. They don't give a damn about the fate of the children.
     
  11. AED

    AED Powers

    The answer to that headline is yes.
     
  12. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. Sadly true.
     
  13. AED

    AED Powers

    I know it has to be. I know the Churchmen brought this on the Church but I dread it going forward.
     
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  14. HeavenlyHosts

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    This humanistic leaning started over a hundred years ago and progressed slowly. It really took off after prayer and Bible reading were taken out of schools in 1961-62. The Ten Commandments were removed from the public, and God was removed from public oath-taking.
    IMHO
     
  15. SgCatholic

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    The agenda of the communists had been going on as planned.
     
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  16. HeavenlyHosts

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    And let us not forget another one of Lucifer’s tentacles: the Freemasons
     
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  17. SgCatholic

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    Very well put, Dolours.
    However, regarding celibacy, if one takes the actual definition, it refers to being unmarried and chaste.

    Celibacy of the Clergy
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm

    Celibacy is the renunciation of marriage implicitly or explicitly made, for the more perfect observance of chastity, by all those who receive the Sacrament of Orders in any of the higher grades. The character of this renunciation, as we shall see, is differently understood in the Eastern and in the Western Church. Speaking, for the moment, only of Western Christendom, the candidates for orders are solemnly warned by the bishop at the beginning of the ceremony regarding the gravity of the obligation which they are incurring. He tells them:

    You ought anxiously to consider again and again what sort of a burden this is which you are taking upon you of your own accord. Up to this you are free. You may still, if you choose, turn to the aims and desires of the world (licet vobis pro artitrio ad caecularia vota transire). But if you receive this order (of the subdiaconate) it will no longer be lawful to turn back from your purpose. You will be required to continue in the service of God, and with His assistance to observe chastity and to be bound for ever in the ministrations of the Altar, to serve who is to reign.

    By stepping forward despite this warning, when invited to do so, and by co-operating in the rest of the ordination service, the candidate is understood to bind himself equivalently by a vow of chastity. He is henceforth unable to contract a valid marriage, and any serious transgression in the matter of this vow is not only a grievous sin in itself but incurs the additional guilt of sacrilege.

    (there is much more to the article which one can read at the link provided above)

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    According to Msgr Charles Pope in the Our Sunday Visitor newsweekly,

    https://www.osv.com/OSVNewsweekly/S...567/ArticleID/16756/Celibacy-vs-chastity.aspx

    "
    More strictly, “celibacy” refers in the Church to a vowed, perpetual state of refraining from sexual relations that religious and priests undertake. Here the celibate state is ongoing and expected to be maintained for life."

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    According to the following dictionaries:

    Oxford -

    The state of abstaining from marriage and sexual relations.
    ‘a priest who had taken a vow of celibacy’

    Cambridge -
    the state of intentionally not being married or having a sexual relationship.



     
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  18. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    I feel that this is where the daily morning offering comes in:

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  19. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Thank you, SgC, for finding that explanation.

    We mustn't forget that priests are human and, like the rest of us, can give in to temptation, confess their sin and be forgiven provided they truly repent and have a firm purpose of amendment. Mercy shouldn't be denied anyone. The problem arises when mercy is used as an excuse for rewarding sinful and scandalous behaviour. It's even more problematic if the reason for the reward is to promote an agenda such as sending a message that Church teaching on sexual morality can be ignored in pastoral practice or that the celibate priesthood is the cause of all the Church's woes and needs to be relaxed or abolished.
     
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  20. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Pope John XXIII changed that tradition.
     
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