Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by Frodo, Aug 26, 2018.
Seems Benedict still isn't going to be played!
Bishop Barron deos not look like a happy camper, in fact he looks like he has been in train wreck.
Loads and loads of hand wring. Nothing controversial. I don't think the Bishop has caught up with har far this ball has rolled yet.
No hard questions; no hard answers.
A safe pair of hands being..a safe pair of hands. A nice guy saying nice things well. He'll certianly make Cardinal; but that's because he'll never make waves.
Don;t expect to ever hear anything new or exceptional from him. When he said he wants the Vatican to set up another investigation I switched off.
Yes, and I remember the interview with him at the time when there was much in the news about exorcisms, that film where the director got to be involved with Fr. Amorth's attempts of doing such for that one woman who had given permission....and the call for more priests to be fully instructed for such help so needed in today's world. He said something like...."fine for them, but I would never go near such involvement myself"....as if this special kind of anointing given to priests and perhaps saints wasn't something that all should acknowledge and believe in. That's fear conquering love. And yet, one cannot judge when the whole world and its influence is so strong today, and for so long. The power to cast out demons seems to be lost, to the applause of Satan. It's the Blessed Mother's time then for sure......the nemesis....and St. Joseph, himself titled as "terror of demons"!
Yes I work in a very big organisation. You can always see the people who will go far. They always say the right things, do the right things, be the right things. I would say Bishop Barron will certinaly be made Cardinal one day. The boat of State will never be rocked too much when he's around.
I cna see it even on his gravestone,
'Here lies a really, really nice guy'.
One thing about the saints you could never say, they always seemed to be up to their necks in trouble.
Here's a guy, on the other hand, who is someone certianly not playing, 'nice'. They'll probably move him down to altar boy if he keeps on going the way he is, bless him.
Cardinal Burke: It is ‘licit’ to call for the resignation of Pope Francis
Gerard O’Connell August 29, 2018
U.S. Cardinal Raymond L. Burke, patron of the Knights and Dames of Malta, center left, and a group of priests pose with Pope Francis during his general audience in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican Sept. 2. (CNS photo/Paul Haring)
Asked if it were wrong to ask for Pope Francis’ resignation, as the former nuncio to the United States, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, has done in his 11-page letter, Cardinal Raymond L. Burke responded, “I cannot say it is wrong.”
“I can only say that to arrive at this one must investigate and respond in this regard. The request for resignation is in any case licit; anyone can make it in the face of whatever pastor that errs greatly in the fulfillment of his office, but the facts need to be verified,” he said in an interview published this morning in La Repubblica, Italy’s highest circulation daily.
Cardinal Burke was among the first of a small number of bishops to come out publicly in support of Archbishop Viganò’s denunciation of the pope. It came as no surprise; he is widely considered one of the leaders of the traditionalist groups that oppose Francis, and the archbishop and Cardinal Burke both contest aspects of the pope’s exhortation on the family (“Amoris Laetitia”). The former nuncio publicly sided with the dissenters to “Amoris Laetitia” when, last January, he added his name to the Kazakh bishops’ “profession of immutable truths about sacramental marriage.”
“I was deeply shaken because the entire document is most grave,” Cardinal Burke said.
“I was deeply shaken because the entire document is most grave,” Cardinal Burke said. “I had to read it several times because the first reading left me speechless. I believe that at this point there is need for a complete and objective report on the part of the pope and the Vatican.”
When it was pointed out that while Viganò’ contested Pope Francis’ handling of the McCarrick case he glossed over the way John Paul II and Benedict XVI had dealt with the allegations against the former cardinal during their pontificates, Cardinal Burke replied: “I cannot make a judgment on the merit. I can only say that here, too, it is necessary that there is clarity, by going through all the documents to arrive at the truth.”
Commenting on the fact that Archbishop Viganò’s letter states that there are cardinals and bishops who wish to change the church’s doctrine on homosexuality, Cardinal Burke said, “Yes, there are attempts to relativize the teaching of the church according to which a homosexual act is intrinsically bad.” He recalled the first session of the Synod of Bishops on the Family “where the idea was presented that the church should recognize the positive elements present in homosexual relations.” But, he added, “all this cannot have positive aspects.” Moreover, he described as “a problem” the “support that churchmen give to the Jesuit James Martin, who has an ‘open’ and wrong position on homosexuality.”
Cardinal Burke insisted that he is not “an antagonist” of Francis and has “nothing personal against the pope.”
He went on to point out that “the data show that the major part of sexual abuse committed by priests are in reality homosexual acts committed with young people.”
Cardinal Burke stated: “I think a homosexual person cannot become a priest because he is not able to exercise in depth that paternity that is required. He must have all the characteristics to be a father.”
Viganò’s accusations: What we know and what questions they raise
Michael J. O’Loughlin
Pope addresses Viganò report, child abuse cover-ups and families with gay children in press conference
Cindy Wooden - Catholic News Service
He insisted in the interview that he is not “an antagonist” of Francis and has “nothing personal against the pope.” He explained, “I try simply to defend the truth of the faith and the clarity of the presentation of the faith.” The U.S. cardinal was one of four cardinals—two now dead, Joachim Meisner (Germany) and Carlo Caffarra (Italy), the fourth being Walter Brandmuller (Germany)—who wrote a letter to Pope Francis, which they later made public, raising doubts (“dubia”) about aspects of his teaching on marriage in the exhortation “Amoris Laetitia.” The doubts regarded the possibility for divorced and remarried people to receive the Eucharist under certain circumstances. In the interview, Cardinal Burke said that he did not know why the pope had not answered their questions.
He acknowledged in the interview that he contests Pope Francis’ magisterium, for example, “on the fact that persons in mortal sin can go to Communion. Or that non-Catholics can receive it in certain circumstances, beyond what is the present discipline of the church. It is not possible.”
Questioned about his relationship with Steve Bannon, the cardinal said the former advisor of President Trump had interviewed him once, at the time of the canonization of John Paul II, “and after that I have not seen him.”
Boom...and lose the suit and haircut
Better late than never. He wasn't the only one whose respect for the office of pope inhibited him from publicly expressing his doubts and fears. I know myself, there are many posts of mine on this site that display my own struggle with this appalling dilemma. It still gives me trouble.
'No comment' does not represent a denial.
In the big Picture, politically, Pope Benedict cannot get involved. If Pope Benedict came out, the schism would start...not sure he would want to bring that battle. Not that he doesn't believe in it...but spiritually, not sure he wants too. Also, what if he knows, through the Vatican archives (prophecy)...whats going to happen. So many unknowns.
Lets just hope He stays safe and is strong enough to participate in this spiritual battle.
I don't want to depress people further; but this gets worse and worse, just when you thought it couldn' possiblyt get any worse.
Now Cardinal Muller is involved:
BREAKING: Pope ignored warning from top Vatican cardinal not to reinstate defrocked serial abuser
carlo vigano, catholic, clergy sex abuse scandal, don mercedes, francesco coccopalmerio, gerhard müller, mauro inzoli, pope francis, sex abuse crisis in catholic church
VATICAN CITY, August 29, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – Pope Francis removed sanctions from a notorious clerical sex offender despite being warned and urged by the Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith not to do so, a highly placed Vatican source told LifeSiteNews in an exclusive interview.
That Prefect, Cardinal Gerhard Müller, was later dismissed from the Vatican’s top doctrine post. The source revealed that Cardinal Müller and his staff were dismissed by Pope Francis because they insisted on following the Church’s protocols concerning clerical sexual abusers.
Notably, Müller opposed the Pope's plan to return the defrocked Don Mauro Inzoli, a serial abuser of boys as young as 12, to the priesthood.
Don Inzoli, nicknamed Don Mercedes for his love of flashy cars and elegant living, had been accused to church officials of having molested boys, including in the confessional, and convincing them that his abuse of the was approved by God.
In 2012, an ecclesiastical court found Inzoli guilty, and he was then suspended a divinis, barring him from all priestly functions.
However, in 2014, Francis returned Inzoli to the priesthood, although according to the source, Cardinal Müller “resisted” the pontiff’s wish but Francis “decided differently,” i.e. he rejected Müller’s advice.
According to historian Richard Sire, author of The Dictator Pope, Francis had rehabilitated the pederast at the behest of Inzoli’s “friends in the Curia, Cardinal Coccopalmerio and Monsignor Vito Pinto” and reduced his punishment to a “lifetime of prayer” and a course of psychiatric treatment.
Inzoli was also allowed to say Mass privately, but he was supposed to stay away from children. However, by 2015, Inzoli was participating in a conference on the family in Lombardia.
“[Francis’] leniency, however, backfired,” Sire wrote, “and after complaints from Inzoli’s home town of Cremona, police reopened the case against him.”
An Italian court found him guilty of “more than a hundred episodes” of molesting five boys aged 12 to 16. It sentenced the rehabilitated priest to four years, nine months in prison.
A new canonical trial was then arranged. After the priest’s second ecclesiastical trial, Pope Francis decided on May 20, 2017, to strip the convicted ephebophile of his priestly faculties.
Quoting Nicole Winfield of the Associated Press, Sire revealed that Inzoli’s was not the only case where Pope Francis showed so-called “mercy” toward grave offenders:
“Winfield wrote that ‘two canon lawyers and a church official’ told her the pope’s emphasis on ‘mercy’ had created an environment in which ‘several’ priests under canonical sanctions imposed by the CDF had appealed successfully to Francis for clemency through powerful curial connections. The unnamed official noted that such appeals had rarely been successful with Benedict XVI, who had removed over 800 priests from ministry.”
Francis is currently under fire from allegations that he removed sanctions from then-cardinal Archbishop Theodore McCarrick and made him one of his most trusted advisors despite knowing of his reputation for sexual misconduct towards seminarians and priests.
This was woeful, but I got the impression the Chile fiasco was even worse. No doubt, it's only a matter of time before that episode is revived in the media.
The natives are getting restless. At the Apostolic Blessing at the Audience today in St Peter's Square, large sections of the crowd shouted , 'Vigano,' at the poor Holy Father.
He should have ordered the Swiss Guard to open fire.
It's like a bog; he keeps getting sucked in deeper and deeper; he'll soon have to wear a spacesuit to breath.
They are actually shouting ITALO!, it's Italo Castellani, the bishop of Lucca, Italy, and it was right at the moment when he was saluting to Pope Francis, because there was a group from Lucca there.
It was also reported on a spanish catholic site, but has been corrected, that's how I know.
Luckyly lifesitenews did not just affirm they were shouting Vigano, they titled the video with a question.
Thankfully, some are speaking the truth throughout all this.
Oh no! Now they're adopting the lefties' tactics.
Chicago Cardinal Says Allegations Against Pope ‘Because He Is a Latino’
Cardinal Blase Cupich suggested that allegations that Pope Francis knowingly rehabilitated an abusive American cardinal proceed from racism in a television interview with NBC News Tuesday.
In the interview, the Archbishop of Chicago responded to a recent 11-page statement by Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, former papal nuncio to the United States, that alleges a series of misdeeds by high-ranking Catholic prelates, including Pope Francis himself.
“Quite frankly, they also don’t like him because he is a Latino,” he said.
As a number of individuals pointed out on social media, playing the racist card seems particularly out of place in this instance, since Archbishop Viganò, who authored the report, comes from the north of Italy, not far from where the pope’s family is from.
Others were also quick to note that Pope Francis is actually not a Latino, but a white European born in Argentina.
In his NBC interview, Cardinal Cupich also seemed to suggest that affirming or denying the serious allegations in the Viganò report is not a priority for the pope, and come after other key issues such as environmental concerns and immigration.
“The pope has a bigger agenda. He’s gotta get on with other things, of talking about the environment and protecting migrants and carrying on the work of the Church,” Cardinal Cupich said.
“We’re not going to go down a rabbit hole on this,” he added.
LOL. They must all read off the same teleprompter.
It's hard sometimes to take these people seriously.
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