Pope Francis (A defense)

Discussion in 'Pope Francis' started by Mark Dohle, Mar 14, 2017.

  1. Aviso

    Aviso Guest

    Great Comment Praetorian, God Bless you.
     
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  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yeah , I don't doubt this is an evil Satanic conspiracy that goes to the very top in the Vatican. The Church has never seen an attack on this scale in its whole 2,000 year history. It's a very,very successful take over. Thus far that is.
     
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  3. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    In the Middle Ages, no one could read or understand the priest. The land was governed by the sword (blood). That could have been their great apostasy.

    "Believe or I will cut off your head."

    As bad as we think it is. There has been other generations with the same problems. My opinion is the great apostasy will take place when Jesus is removed from the cross and the Holy Eucharist is outlawed. That will be the apostasy.

    Holy Eucharist to divorced might be spiritual issue but it's not the apostasy.

    But then again, I am just a one tiny grain of sand.

    :) :(
     
  4. picadillo

    picadillo Guest


    It sounds like you are attacking me rather than defending our misguided pope. Angry and rigid, have you heard of the constant attacks from the pope against trads. How about his purging of the vatican of trads and only elevating left-wing prelates as cardinals. That is angry and rigid. I call it the "Francis effect".

    St. Paul teaches us in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 :
    "So then, brothers, stand firm, and cling to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter. "

    Pope Francis is kicking out the legs of catholicism, that is tradition. I agree with on one thing you said: "We are in free fall, too many bad turns have been taken, so we must fall until we hit bottom and crack open. "

    This is what I call "the Francis effect". Pope Benedict is right, the church will become much smaller and more faithful unless God intervenes.

    Who is like God. Thy will be done. Jesus, I trust in you.
     
  5. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    People in the Middle Ages couldn't read but they did understand the priest. There was no great apostasy in the Middle Ages. No shortage of sin but not great apostasy.

    Apostasy doesn't happen overnight. It's a gradual process, beginning with little compromises and growing from there. The great apostasy didn't start with Pope Francis but, rather than stemming the tide, he is hastening its climax. Sin nailed Jesus to the cross and His sacrifice is demeaned with every downplaying of the gravity of sin. We are approaching the stage where sin will be determined by the prevailing culture. The Bible warns about sins of the flesh. The Church has always treated such sins as a threat to our salvation. Now, not so much. Lack of faith in the preaching of the likes of John Bongaarts and Paul Erhlich are being portrayed as more serious sins than adultery, fornication or sodomy. Jesus is being removed from the cross. In many ways, He has already been removed.

    Holy Eucharist being the source and summit of our faith, any diminution of the gravity of profaning it, or adopting a casual approach to it, is more than a little spiritual issue. It is a giant leap on the road to the apostasy where faith in the Real Presence will be so weak that people will be easily deceived into believing that it is merely bread and wine, at most a symbol of feelgood friendship - a rug covering the real differences that cause discomfort. There are very many Christians who already lack belief in the Real Presence, far too many of them in the Catholic Church who treat Holy Communion as an entitlement rather than a privilege. Abolishing a symbol won't be a hard sell for the Man of Sin.
     
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  6. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    You are right here Dolours,
    Apostasy doesn't just appear overnight. I think in the long view it started back with Martin Luther who spread the ideas of modern liberalism and rebellion against lawful authority 500 years ago. In the Church it truly began in earnest in the late 1800's and early 1900's. We see the Popes warning about the spreading "modernist thought" in the Church at this time. Then in the 1960's and 1970's modernism really came out of the shadows inside the Church, but still it tried to hide behind a cloak of orthodoxy.

    Today we are standing at another huge turning point where worldly modernist thought is being enshrined as "Church policy". Have we reached the summit or is there still farther to go? Who knows? Malachi Martin said in the 1990's that it surely couldn't go on for long the way things were going in the Church. That was 20 years ago. If someone from today could have talked with him back then we might have said: "You ain't seen nothin' yet."
     
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  7. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    It is not just prophecy that is saying this. If anyone has been paying attention to the popes and the saints in the last 100 years, they too have been saying we are in the end times. St. Pope John Paul and Pope Benedict wrote extensively on our times and the "great confrontation" that we face today. If anyone cares to hear what they have said, here you go>>> https://www.markmallett.com/blog/why-arent-the-popes-shouting/
     
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  8. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    I'm feeling that we are almost at the top of the tallest rollercoaster ready for the free fall. Thanks for your great postings Praetorian, well thought out and explained.
     
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  9. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    That is a good point Fatima. There has been so much warning of what is going on now I neglected to mention the many, many warnings from the Popes of the last 150 years or so. I don't think there is one that has not made serious public statements alerting us about the signs of the times. Thanks for the correction :)
     
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  10. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Thank you Mary's Child :)
    Very kind of you to say.
    I think you are right. It has the feeling that we are at the top of the roller coaster ready to fall.
    That is a great way of putting it!
     
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  11. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Mark, you apparently have never heard of the False Prophet that comes on the scene in the end times and works in cahoots with the Antichrist to deceive if possible, even the elect. Yes, even the sacrifice of the mass will be changed and we will have a protestant version of liturgy. If you do not understand this my friend you are living in Blindville and not discerning the signs of the times that so many prophecies (approved and alleged), popes and even the Catholic Catechism have warned us of. We are well within the book of the Apocalypse now and it doesn't get any worse than this no matter how one spins reality.
     
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  12. picadillo

    picadillo Guest


    In your article Pope Francis is quoted:

    Asked about those who in the Church put justice ahead of mercy, Francis said that the two go hand in hand: “In God, justice is merciful and mercy is just… How do you explain this? Go to a theology professor!”

    In the end, the pope said, it’s a problem of “moral rigidity,” present in the parable of the Prodigal Son, when the older brother questions the fact that the younger one is welcomed back after spending his inheritance on a life of sin.

    “This rigidity is not [from] Jesus,” he said. “[In the Gospel] he so many times admonishes the doctors of the law against rigidity. He uses for them an adjective I wouldn’t want to be used on me: hypocrites.”


    The pope is the ultimate hypocrite. This article confirms every question I had about this pope. Either he is stupid or evil. Who among us does not have someone like the prodigal son in their life that they have spent years praying for their conversion? In the story the prodigal son repents and "converts". Please, somebody tell Pope Francis that repentant is the key to this story. Who among us would be upset if the father/God answered their prayers?

    This pope keeps barking up the wrong tree. At one point for a period of over 10 years I was ready to risk life and limb for "the church". But not anymore. It's called the "Francis effect". This to will pass.
     
  13. picadillo

    picadillo Guest


    Mark, from Fallensaints article please read and listen to Pope Francis:

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    Francis also said he has an “allergy to adulators,” insisting he prefers criticism to praise.

    “To adulate someone is also to use them for your own purposes, whether hidden or visible, but in order to obtain something for yourself,” he said.

    “Critics speak badly of me, and I deserve it, because I’m a sinner,” he said. “That doesn’t worry me.”

    According to the pope, what are you trying to gain for yourself?
     
  14. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    The False Prophet.
    Gotta watch out for him.....

    Priest Herman Kramer (20th century): This false prophet possibly at the behest of Antichrist usurps the papal supremacy…His assumed spiritual authority and supremacy over the Church would make him resemble the Bishop of Rome…He would be Pontifex Maximus, a title of pagan emperors, having spiritual and temporal authority. Assuming authority without having it makes him the False Prophet…Though he poses as a lamb, his doctrines betray him (Kramer H.B. L. The Book of Destiny. Nihil Obstat: J.S. Considine, O.P., Censor Deputatus. Imprimatur: +Joseph M. Mueller, Bishop of Sioux City, Iowa, January 26, 1956.Reprint TAN Books, Rockford (IL), p. 319).
     
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  15. padraig

    padraig Powers

    This is also mentioned in the Book of Revelation.

    '1. In the Book of Revelation, the False Prophet is mentioned as the Beast from the earth “like a lamb” who becomes the religious head of the false church. The False Prophet “deceives those who dwell on earth”. It is important to recognize that the False Prophet will be the greatest deceiver to ever live on earth, the epitome of a wolf in sheep’s clothing, pretending perfectly to be that which he is not. By this, he will lead many of the faithful into heresy, and he will eventually cause the earth to honor and worship the Antichrist (Rev. 13:12). The Catechism confirms, saying: Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers… in the form of a religious deception which will be one of apostasy. (CCC 675)'

    http://twoheartspress.com/how-to-respond-if-pope-francis-is-the-false-prophet-2/

    Revelation 13:11

    The Beast out of the Earth
    11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.


    18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.a]">[a] That number is 666.

    One of the visionaries at Medugorje was asked one time about the Marian Secrets. She responded that she did not know why people kept asking that they were all contained in Chapter 13 of the Book of Revelations.


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  16. padraig

    padraig Powers

    https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hcc/revelation-13.html

    This does indeed appear to indicate that the beast with two horns may be a false Pope.

    Verse 11

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    Vidi aliam bestiam, Greek: eidon allo therion. Another wild beast. St. Irenæus calls this second beast armigerum primæ, and takes notice that he is also called in other places of the Apocalypse (Chap. xvi. 13. and xix. 20. and xx. 10.) the false prophet, pseudopropheta of the first beast. By what is said in this chapter, this second beast must live and act at the same time with the first; for it is said, ver. 12, that he exercised all the power of the former beast in his sight, Greek: enopion autou; and again, ver. 14, that he did wonders in the sight of the first beast, Greek: enopion tou theriou. 2. It is said that this second beast made all that dwelt on the earth adore the first beast. 3. That he made all persons make an image to the first beast, that was wounded and cured, and that they should be slain who adored not that image. 4. He caused that all persons should have the character of the first beast, and the number of his name, i.e. of the name of the first beast. All those who hold that the first beast in this chapter is antichrist, who is to come a little before the end of the world, hold in like manner that the second beast is not come, but will also come at the same time; and that he is to be a famous imposter and false prophet in antichrist's time. But they who hold the first beast not to be antichrist, but to be the idolatry of heathen Rome, by the second beast understand the philosophers and magicians, who were accustomed to raise the indignation of the pagan emperors against Christians. This exposition of the bishop of Meaux, and of divers Catholic interpreters, I shall here give in Dr. Hammond's words: "By the second beast is meant magic, auguries, adn oracles of heathens, made use of to advance idol worship. This beast had two horns, two powers, with some resemblance of Christ, the Lamb; the power of doing some kind of miracles, even of making fire seem to come down from heaven, as Philostratus relates of Apollonius of Thanea, (lib. v. chap. v.) and the pretended power of prophecy by dubious and obscure oracles; by which also they engaged the emperors to promote idolatry, and to make bloody edicts against Christianity, to force every one to join in their heathen worship, and to shew that they did so by exterior marks and signs, by tickets, to shew that they had sacrificed to idols, otherwise they should be incapable of buying and selling, i.e. of enjoying any particular advantages, or the common benefits of life." Dr. Hammond did not think it worth taking notice of, that so many writers of the pretended reformation would have the second beast to be a great many popes, whom they affirm to be the most famous antichrist. Never was there a more groundless or a more malicious invention, without shadow of authority or reason, and evidently contradictory to both, which I may shew as occasion offers, and as far as these short notes will permit. Here I shall only touch upon what relates to that which is set in this chapter. 1. The late reformers, some of them, make the first beast the popish antichrist, (as we may see in the bishop of Meaux, and also in Dr. Wells) and some affirm this of the second beast. The two beasts are quite different: are they both the popish antichrist? 2. Some of them prove the popes to be the second beast, because the popes mitre has a resemblance of his two horns: does this deserve an answer? See the bishop of Meaux. 3. Is it not as ridiculous to pretend that by fire coming from heaven, is meant the pope's excommunications? Is not the power of excommunication grounded in St. Paul? Do not the Protestants themselves own, and make use of this power? 4. Those Protestants who tell us the second beast is the popish antichrist, say that the first beast was the state of paganism in the Roman empire. This, as they own, was destroyed before the popes began to be antichrist: how does this agree with what is here said of the second beast, antichrist's armiger, that he exercised all his power in the sight and in the presence of the first beast? 5. How can they pretend that the popes ever ordered all to be slain who would not adore the first beast? (that is, heathen idols, or the images of heathen gods, of Jupiter, Mars, &c.) or who did not bear on his forehead or hand the character, the mark, or the number of some of the heathen gods or heathen emperors? 6. If the second beast be the popish antichrist, all those Protestants have been guilty of a grievous oversight, who have endeavoured to prove the popes antichrist, by finding the number 666 in their names, or in the word Lateinos; for it is evident by this chapter, (ver. 17) that the number of the name belongs to the first beast, and not to the second. 7. This contradicts what the Protestants teach with St. Paul (2 Thessalonians. ii.) that antichrist is to be the man of sin, who will make himself adored above all that is called or worshipped as God; whereas, in this place of the Apocalypse, the second beast does not make himself, but the first beast, to be adored. Therefore this second beast is n
     
  17. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    From the book God Speaks Will You Listen
    https://www.scribd.com/doc/22505473/God-Speaks-Will-You-Listen

    09/26/07 My son this is a message to clear up confusion in your mind. Remember there are many voices in this world trying to deceive you. Not every voice which claims to speak the word of God is from God. For my word states: Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit: but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world and every spirit that dissolveth Jesus is not of God. And this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh: and he is now already in the world. You are of God, little children, and have overcome him. Because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. I John 4:1-4. Read I John 2:22. Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is antichrist, who denieth the Father and the Son. Read I John 2:18. Little children, it is the last hour: and as you have heard that Antichrist cometh, even now there are become many antichrists: whereby we know that it is the last hour. My son as my word clearly states, you have been in the last days, since my church began. In every generation, false prophets and heresies have risen up to deceive mankind. Your generation is no different. You know you are in the last days because of the appearance of the spirit of antichrist. He has been manifested since his rebellion against my Father.

    The spirit of antichrist is Satan, who is the father of lies. Prior to my coming, he was not referred to as the spirit of antichrist, because the Christ had not yet appeared on earth. After my ascension into heaven, Satan has been described as the spirit of antichrist because he is against me. Notice I John 4:3 states: he is now already in the world and verse 4 states: You are of God little children. And have overcome him, because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. When these words were written, my children had already overcome the spirit of antichrist, who is Satan himself. I John 4:1-4 need to be understood in its entire context. It refers to the spirit of antichrist. I John 2:18 refers to many antichrists. The understanding to this passage is I John 2:22. Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is antichrist, who denieth the Father and the Son. In John 8:44, I told the Jews, the devil is a liar and the father thereof. Any person who is against me is being led by the spirit of antichrist and is an antichrist. If you deny that I am the Christ who came in the flesh, you are led by the spirit of antichrist and are an antichrist. Simply stated: antichrist is anti or against the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. A person led by the spirit of antichrist becomes an antichrist. I John 2:18 states:even now there are become many Antichrists. Throughout history there have been many souls, who fulfilled the criteria and were antichrists. Be careful who you label as an antichrist because Satan is a deceiver and you may be committing the sin of slander.

    The book of the Apocalypse is a vision of the sufferings, struggles, and triumph of my church. The prophet Daniel has many prophecies which correspond with the book of the Apocalypse. Daniel 12:9 states: And he said: Go, Daniel, because the words are shut up and sealed until the appointed time. My Holy Spirit will unseal the prophecies and give an understanding at the appointed time. Many are prophesying your generation is the fulfillment of these prophecies. Pay close attention to the words of your Popes. Both of your last Popes have stated you are in the battle of Apocalypse 12 between the woman and the dragon. The woman can have several meanings. It is both my church and my blessed Mother who are fighting against the dragon, who is Satan. The third part of the stars of heaven who are cast to the earth, represents the clergy, cardinals, bishops, and priests, who are following the dragon. Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI have warned the faithful, not to be seduced by the dragon. Another spiritual meaning from this passage refers to the great battle which is taking place between the woman and the red dragon of masonry and communism. My blessed Mother’s appearance at Fatima was a sign from heaven to mankind to not be seduced by the lies of masonry and communism. My blessed mother appeared prior to the Bolshevik revolution in 1917 to warn the world of these errors. This struggle is still continuing today. My blessed Mother is the prophet of your time. Pay close attention to her approved apparitions and pay close attention to the Holy Father’s teachings. My Holy Spirit is opening the book of Daniel and the Apocalypse through my blessed mother’s teachings, my Holy Church’s teachings and the messages from my messengers of today. Remember Amos 3:7: "For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets". The message from 9/25/07 describes the Fatima consecration in more detail to you. As explained to you, on 9/25/07 by my Father, masonry and communism are once again gathering forces in your world. The destruction of these forces will be accomplished by the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    My son, I ask you how are you protected from these evil forces? By receiving the seal of the living God. Read Ezekiel 9:6: Utterly destroy old and young, maidens,children and women: but upon whomsoever you shall see Thau, kill him not. And begin ye at my sanctuary. So they began at the ancient men who were before the house. Now read Apocalypse 7:3: Saying: hurt not the earth nor the sea nor the trees, till we sign the servants of our God in their foreheads. What is the seal of the living God? It is my life residing in your soul. It is sanctifying grace. You are sealed by the Holy Spirit at baptism and confirmation. Those who claim you need a special seal from God to be protected, be wary of. 2 Corinthians 1;21, 22. Now he that confirmeth us with you in Christ and that hath anointed us, is God: Who also hath sealed us and given the pledge of the Spirit in our hearts. Again re-read I John 4:4: You are of God, little children, and have over come him. Because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. These children of mine had already overcome the spirit of antichrist in their day. The same teaching has not changed. When you use the sign of the cross, you are also protecting yourself with the seal of the living God. It was through my cross the power of Satan, sin, and death was defeated. Each Holy Eucharist partaken increases my Divine life within your soul. My people where is your faith? If you have sanctifying grace in your soul you are protected from the spirit of antichrist. Do not let Satan deceive you otherwise. If God be for us,who is against us? Romans 8:31.

    My son, a day is soon coming when Apocalypse chapters 13 and 14 will be fulfilled by the spirit of antichrist manifesting himself through a particular person called the Antichrist. Do not concern yourself with this day. Many are deceived by Satan by concentrating on whom this person may be and not fulfilling my mission for their souls. Each generation has thought their generation was the fulfillment of these times. Let my Holy Spirit lead my church and your soul. Be forewarned! You are living in the most sinful generation in the history of your world. Your generation has been warned again and again. My holy word gives you examples of my justice: the flood of Noah, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the exile of the children of Israel. Your generation is no different. If mankind does not repent and continues to reject my mercy, I repeat my Father’s words to you from yesterday. I will allow another World War and I will allow the appearance of the man of sin in your generation. The fulfillment of the Apocalypse will take place with a literal one world government and my people grazed and marked by the authorities. There will be one man who will lead this Masonic communistic government as the antichrist. Many messengers have warned my people of these events for many years. But my people refuse to listen and take heed to my warnings. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao have been types of this antichrist. But my faithful, have faith and trust in my word. My Spirit with the brightness of my coming, will destroy this spirit of antichrist with his followers and bring about the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. A further warning, Apocalypse 19:20 tells the fate of the False Prophet and the Antichrist. These two are cast alive into the pool of fire burning with brimstone. Do not accuse anyone of being the False Prophet or the Antichrist because their fate is sealed. Satan will not reveal their identity until allowed by Almighty God. My Holy Spirit will identify these men at the proper time, not your time. For when you falsely accuse another soul of being either the False Prophet or the Antichrist, you offend your God. All those falsely accused are souls that need my salvation. Pray for their salvation. It is your fear and lack of trust in me, which causes you to falsely accuse someone. Watch and be ready. Read accurately the signs of the times. Great changes are upon mankind. My church and earth will be purified and mankind will truly know I am Jesus Christ who once came in the flesh and who is the only Savior and redeemer of mankind. All who reject me are following the spirit of antichrist and will be cast into hell forever. Do not let this be your final destination. Do not be deceived, I will not be mocked much longer. These words are from Jesus Christ to his people.
     
  18. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    For all his shortcomings, Pope Francis is not the False Prophet from the Book of Revelation, and I believe it to be very dangerous for anyone, especially any Catholic, to infer that he is.
     
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  19. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    View attachment 6223 Do I see a division in the socalled traditional MOG house? Is he or isn't he?

    :) :(
     
  20. SteveD

    SteveD Powers

    No, he cannot be, because we are not in the 'end times', we await Our Lady of Fatima's era of peace.
     
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