Papal Heresy?

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  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

  2. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Yes, I heard that as well. I believe it is fake as well.
     
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  3. TAKEN FROM Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi, R. Washbourne, 1882, pp. 248-250, with imprimatur by His Excellency William Bernard, Bishop of Birmingham.


    Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi
    Here is the book:
    http://www.saintsbooks.net/books/St. Francis of Assisi - Works of the Seraphic Father.pdf
    go to page 248-250

    “The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase.

    “The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff [cf, Benedict XVI] and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death.

    “Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it.

    “There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God.

    “Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. [cf, Franciscans of the Immaculate] Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.

    “Those who persevere in their fervor and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such ‘pestilent men’ from the face of the earth. But the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head [Christ], these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy.

    “Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true pastor, but a destroyer.”


    TAKEN FROM Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi, R. Washbourne, 1882, pp. 248-250, with imprimatur by His Excellency William Bernard, Bishop of Birmingham.
     
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  4. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It's beneficial to question these things. We need to be sure.
     
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  5. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    The true Sovereign Pontiff? Hmm. CF Benedict? How did that get thrown in here? By whom?
     
  6. HH, the original book Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi does not contain the "CF Benedict"
    See page 248-250
    http://www.saintsbooks.net/books/St. Francis of Assisi - Works of the Seraphic Father.pdf

    I cannot copy and paste the long quote because it is in a PDF format so I copied the quote from https://catholicismpure.wordpress.com/2016/11/27/do-the-prophecies-of-saint-francis-explain-it-all/ which unfortunately inserted that CF Benedict line...


    Thanks for pointing that out HH...
     
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  7. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    ;);)
    thanks for your research
     
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  8. Heidi

    Heidi Powers

    The book was written in 1882, 700 years after St. Francis was born. Is there a source from his lifetime that states that he said this?
     
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  9. The Book also has an Appendix titled "Doubtful Works of St. Francis." This Appendix contains a lot of doubtful sources/quotations attributed to St. Francis which the author separated for the safety and discernment of his readers. If the author and publisher are not confident of the authenticity of the quotation, then they should have just put it in the Appendix so as not to accidentally confuse the readers. By not putting it in the Appendix, the author/publisher must have sufficient reason that it is indeed authentic in their research...

    Heidi, can you please give me the website that told you that this St. Francis quotation is not true, maybe we could learn something from there...
     
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  10. Heidi

    Heidi Powers

    I wish I could remember……I will try looking for it later. It was a few years ago.
     
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  11. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    It’s been on the forum
    I vaguely remember that Dolours may have commented on it
    You might find it doing a forum search
     
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  12. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Wait! I found it. This is an excellent article by Emmett O'Regan . He gets to the historical roots of the falsely attributed quote. He also documents how the idea of a Destroyer Pope has persisted in Church history at least from the time of St. Francis. There were time periods in the Church when certain factions made false claims that a Pope was non-canonically elected. This is a long article but thoroughly researched. I am midway through reading it and getting ready to go to Mass. I think very highly of the research from Mr. O'Regan. He's not an easy read but he is factual.


    https://wherepeteris.com/lifesitenews-uses-false-st-francis-quote-to-attack-the-pope/

     
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  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I would be a little careful of Emmet O'Regan. Of anyone who would defend Pope Francis in a manner that would would suggest that he cannot be a heretic because in their own personal opinion a Pope cannot be a Heretic. This is Papal Idolatory.

    It appears to suggest that the Pope, any Pope, is the the direct voice of heaven.

    It follows from this of course that he would have a fixed agenda in this because if the Supposed Prophecy of St Francis were true his Doctoral thesis would be shown up as nonsense..

    So he has skin in the game, so to speak.

    What Emmet O'Regan teaches is directly contrary to what St Cardinal John Henry Newman, St Cardinal Bellarmine, amongst others taught.

    I wouldn't exactly call Emmett O'Regan an intellectual heavy weight,he is more of a populariser. A commentator.

     
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  14. I don't know. Emmett O' Regan hyped the previous Cumbre Vieja volcano eruption too much in his prophecies, that it would crash in the sea and cause a megatsunami. His website too has lots of Doomsday Apocalypse literature...


    Apocalyptic mile-high MEGA-TSUNAMI ‘to wipe out US THIS WEEK – blind mystic predicts’
    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/nibiru-apocalypse-2017-end-world-17022284

    "Mr O’Regan told Daily Star Online: “The Third Secret of Fatima appears to suggest that the greatest threat to America is that posed by a future mega-tsunami emanating from the Canary Islands."

    "In his book Unveiling the Apocalypse, Emmett O’Regan claims Sister Lucia foresaw a volcano in the Canary Islands erupt and then collapse into the sea – causing the massive tidal wave."
     
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  15. padraig, is the Loyola Institute, Trinity College Dublin a Jesuit School?
     
  16. Is the Pope’s teaching always free from error, even when it’s not infallible?
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinio...free-from-error-even-when-its-not-infallible/

    The chief critic, Mr. Emmett O’Regan, responded to the interview with a further essay published on Vatican Insider, in which he expounds upon a claim he made in his original article that Catholics can never in principle be justified in charging the Pope with heresy or doctrinal error in the exercise of his ordinary magisterium.

     
  17. padraig

    padraig Powers

    No, though it strikes me as extremely Liberal and Progressive. It is part of Trinity College Dublin which has always been historically very anti Catholic and Masonic.

    The Loyola Institute is grateful for the generous support of the Loyola Trust which represents a number of religious orders: Augustinians, Carmelites (O.Carm.), Columbans, Jesuits, Loreto Sisters, Marists, Oblates, Society of African Missions.

     
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  18. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    It hasn’t happened YET. And it corroborates what Pope St John Paul said about the Third Secret, about water covering the Earth. I think that part is still to come.
     
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  19. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I am not as familiar with O'Regan but his long article goes back to the points in time of Church history where there were factions who said that the current Pope was non-canonically elected and was thus an Antipope. This happened in the Church several times since St. Francis was alive. That is where I believe his article bears some heavy weight in exposing the fact that the Destroyer prophecy of Francis is a fraudulent idea. I need to go back and read the article thoroughly, but I think it proves that the origin of the Destroyer prophecy is not St. Francis.
    When we were in grade school, the teacher made us stand in a ring. She spoke to the first child. The instructions were to tell the child next to you exactly what the teacher said. And so on, through 25-30 students. It was laughable how inaccurate the message was at the end. We laughed because it was not the same message at all. Considering how long ago St. Francis is alleged to have written/spoken it, it's not difficult to imagine the message is adulterated or fancied.
     
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  20. Heidi

    Heidi Powers

    Maybe Emmet O’Regan isn’t the best, but the article he quoted looks like a good source. It at least tells us the origin of the St. Francis of Assisi quote.
     
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