Me too SG. Very much. Our Lady references this in one of her apparitions. It is sacrilege. Horrible sacrilege.
Well said. But sometimes we dont realize the terrible loss of something true and beautiful until it is gone. There was some diabolic disorientation eating at the vitals of the Church long before VII. Pius XII fretted about those high up in the Church who wanted to change the liturgy. I go back to the influence of Teihard who saw everything as leading to Man Truly Alive in his effort to bring evolution into faith. Even though he was silenced his philosophy spread perniciously through the seminaries -- from his own writings we can see that he may have been literally possessed. Man and not God. The religion of man as Fulton Sheen warned. Only God can fix this. The Reign of the Immaculate Heart!
In the days when I was still receiving Holy Communion in the hand, upon returning to the pew, I would look carefully at my palm, and many times I saw crumbs that remained there, which I would then proceed to carefully and discreetly clean up with my tongue. Also, in those days when as an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, I helped to prepare the offertory by filling up the ciborium with unconsecrated hosts for mass, there always were loose crumbs and small broken bits in each packet of hosts that I opened, and these would all go into the ciborium. If the crumbs are visible to the naked eye, then surely Jesus is present body, blood, soul and divinity in that tiniest of crumbs? I feel anguished about the countless crumbs that drop onto the floor at each NO mass. +
Yes Jesus is present in even a tiny crumb of the Eucharist. I stopped being a Eucharistic minister because of the weight on my conscience of what I was doing and my responsibility. I receive on the tongue out of reverence and a desire to never drop a crumb to the ground. It is hard sometimes. Some priests dont like to do it but I cannot do otherwise. I wish I could kneel upon receiving. Many (usually those who I see at the Adoration chapel) kneel to receive but my knees cant do it. I have seen people put the host in their mouths and walk out the door. One time I was so distraught seeing this I prayed "what can I do?" I received a clear answer. "Go make an hour of reparation." So I did. But to give this some context. I was once like that myself. I made many sacrilegious Communions when I was in a state of mortal sin. I shudder to think of it. I'm horrified but I did it. Careless. Heedless. I have been trying to atone ever since for treating Our Lord--my Creator and my Savior--in this wicked way. This is how many Catholics are--ignorant and heedless. I dont know the answer except to make hours of reparation and beg for their hearts to change.
Thank God we still have the option to receive on the tongue. I can kneel, but it would take an Act of Congress and an emergency medical crew to peel me back off the floor. Possibly even need a forklift.
Totally get it, I am close to that point myself. The joints don't like me too much, but so far as long as the priest has patience I still am able to go down on one knee.
HH, The devil has removed our beautiful altar railings so what are we to do? I have a suggestion for those who cannot kneel to receive, but would like to show utmost reverence while receiving Holy Communion on the tongue. It involves a genuflection, and this is what I do when not assisting at the altar. If anyone can genuflect toward the tabernacle while entering or exiting their pew, then there is a good chance they can do the following: First, when processing up in line, remain composed and focus on Whom you are about to receive. If you need a little support while genuflecting, then remain by the front pew until the person in front of you has received Holy Communion and has turned to go. With the ciborium and Host in full view, make a reverent genuflection, re-stand, and then step forward to receive on the tongue. Though my left knee causes me a few aches and pains, I am able to kneel to receive and re-stand under my own power. In one sense I would prefer to do that and a few parishioners do so, already. But many elderly can't because of joint pain and such. So as an example I receive as described above, because our Majesty, the Lord God of Heaven and Earth deserves a gesture of profound obeisance and I wish everyone who is able to do so. Isaiah 6:1 In the year of King Uzziah's death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple. 2 Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one called out to another and said, "Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts, The whole earth is full of His glory." 4 And the foundations of the thresholds trembled at the voice of him who called out, while the temple was filling with smoke. 5 Then I said, "Woe is me, for I am ruined! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts." 6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a burning coal in his hand, which he had taken from the altar with tongs. 7 He touched my mouth with it and said, "Behold, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away and your sin is forgiven ."
When I attend a NO Mass out of obligation, say such as a funeral. I don't believe I receive as many graces as I would as when I attend the extraordinary Form. Why? Because of all the distractions which pulls me away from the silence and prayer I am denied at the NO Mass. I think the better we are disposed (open) the more grace we may receive. In other words if someone attends Mass merely out of habit, without that interior disposition the less that particular soul will receive. The whole point of changing the liturgy was to encourage active participation during the Mass. The so called liturgy experts were complicit in actively distorting the goals. (Not all of them but the liberals within) The other thing that would make souls better disposed to receiving more grace at the Extraordinary Form is the availability of confession throughout the Mass. I have witnessed innumerable souls taking advantage of it.
I am as distraught at the carelessness shown towards our Eucharistic Lord as anyone. I receive on the tongue, which is much as I can do, besides pray and do penance, for the sins against our Eucharistic Lord. But this does not come from the Novus Ordo Mass, but from carelessness of the clergy and willingness of the laity to take communion in the hand. It is about to change. During the era of the Antichrist and the purification of the people of God, Angels will go the refuges and distribute Holy Eucharist, the bread of heaven. My hope is in the era of peace, when all that sorrows our heart now will be gone and our Lord will be worshiped as he intends.
I trying to remember back. We had a large church and at Holy Communion time some of the other priests came and distributed Holy Communion. They had not celebrated Mass and their fingers were not together. But the paten was used.
Fatima, I'm not sure where you have heard this, but if those angels distribute Holy Communion as the Angel of Peace did to the three children in Fatima, there will certainly be no desecrations! O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Some time ago I went to a prayer meeting in a nearby parish. The meeting was in the side altar of the church and was conducted by a lady who was the sacristan. She placed a ciborium of holy communion particles on the altar for the duration of the prayer meeting. After Mass every Sunday she went around the church picking up Holy Communion particles that had been dropped on the floor. There was quite a few. I was shocked. One can only imagine how communion particles are constantly being irreverently treated. One should really receive on the tongue to avoid such irreverence. Really a paten should be used also
Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi certainly didn't apply to the Modernists, because they were either the Infiltrators (not Catholic at all) or those influenced by the Infiltrators. Their version of the faith had already been poisoned and distorted. In the earlier years, it must have been very difficult for the faithful hierarchy to identify the wolves within the Church with any certainty, because the wolves disguised themselves quite well - as described in the book 'AA1025 Memoirs of the Communist Infiltration Into the Church'. But it was definitely after Vatican II, when the NO mass was introduced (and the TLM in practice, was denied, even though it had never been officially abrogated), that the signal was sent out loud and clear to the Catholic faithful that the Church had changed her outlook. Man and his participation became the focus of the Mass, which had now become more about a community meal rather than the Holy Sacrifice. The impression given was that God had become unimportant, and 'anything goes' as long as the laity were entertained. The liturgy, in the NO mass, no longer conveyed God's command that we must love the Lord, our God, with all our hearts, minds, souls and strength. The beauty and reverence of the Mass had been drastically diminished. Jesus, in the tabernacle, was kicked off to the side of the altar, or even to another room. The priest turned his back to Jesus, and focused on the people. Altar rails were removed, signalling that there was no need for 'fear of the Lord'. So, it followed that the beliefs of the laity changed. Feeling good at mass mattered more than giving due worship and reverence to our God. And, if God is not as important as loving oneself and one's neighbour, why, we have a right to take charge of our lives and contracept, abort, live together without getting married, dress immodestly, etc.! The Infiltrators/Modernists knew that to change or weaken Catholics' beliefs, they had to change the way we worshiped. And they have had much success, as seen in the emptying of the pews and the dearth of vocations since Vatican II and the NO mass. As Cardinal Ratzinger once said, "I am convinced that the ecclesial crisis in which we find ourselves today depends in great part upon the collapse of the liturgy, which at times is actually being conceived of etsi Deus non daretur: as though in the liturgy it did not matter any more whether God exists and whether He speaks to us and listens to us. +
Wow! Have you seen this article? The Catholic Identity Conference: A Call for All Catholics to Rise Up Timothy FlandersNovember 14, 2019 The following is an excerpt from the article, with some of what Bishop Athanasius Schneider said at the conference: Bishop Athanasius Schneider The mouthpiece of Tradition, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, formed the centerpiece of the conference, delivering the keynote address as well as a short talk against Communion in the hand. He has been increasingly vocal against the Vatican II springtime, which has been a welcome relief of honestly facing the crisis as it has been continuing to unravel for decades. His comments on the liturgy were salient on this. He said the New Mass is “substantially a clear weakening of the truth of the sacrificial character of the Mass.” It represents a “shift to the Protestant meaning and sense of the meal … in the text [of the Mass] itself.” Indeed, “The Novus Ordo is the Extraordinary Form.” He observed that even Paul VI admitted that Communion in the hand would indeed weaken the faith but then allowed it in the same document. The good bishop compared this to a doctor who says to his patient about a treatment, “This will harm you” and then decides to give it to him anyway. He censured Communion in the hand emphatically: “We cannot use the same gesture for the Holy Sacrament as common food.” It has a deeply psychological effect, eroding our faith in the Real Presence. Instead, we must receive Holy Communion on the tongue and on our knees. Like little children who cannot feed themselves, we receive the Holy Sacrament from Holy Mother Church. Turning to his keynote address, His Excellency spent some time on the reflections from the recently canonized St. John Henry Newman regarding the Arian crisis and its parallels for our time. During this crisis, there was a “temporary suspense of the functions of the teaching church” in which the sensus fidelium of the laity supplied the lack of teaching from the other organs of the Magisterium, including the pope. Quoting Newman, he said: Perhaps [this] was permitted to impress upon the Church, at that very time passing out the state of persecution to her long temporal ascendancy, the great evangelical lesson that it is not the wise and powerful but the obscure and the weak that constitute the real strength of the Church. This was a time, says St. Hilary, “when the ears of the faithful are holier than the lips of the bishops.” Continually quoting saints and doctors who faced crises, His Excellency would look up to the audience and say, “How timely is this?” St. Hildegard of Bingen to the priests of her day: “You evil deceivers! You who work to subvert the Catholic faith. You are wavering and soft and thus cannot avoid the poisonous errors of human corruption which you apply as you wish to divine law.” The bishop quipped how St. Hildegard today would be pilloried as a “schismatic neo-Pelagian rigid one.” The crowd laughed and cheered. St. Hilary: “In these consists the particular nature of the Church: that she triumphs when she is defeated, that she’s better understood when she’s attacked, that she rises up when her unfaithful member desert her.” He ended with a powerful story of a martyr priest and his flock going to execution under Diocletian and meeting their bishop on the way, leaving the pagan rites, where he had just apostatized. He then exhorted all the faithful offer up their sacrifices in reparation as this priest martyr did for his own apostate bishop. He called for a new council to condemn all of the errors of our time, and his face beamed as he looked out into the audience, speaking of the future triumph of Christ and His Church. With unshakable faith he declared: “This day will come.” The time has come to unite the clans. +
I will repeat again, it was NOT Vatican II that made the changes and you cannot point to one document that came out of there that leads to what you have declared. Yes, changes came abundantly afterwards, but it was the smoke of Satan, as Pope Paul declared, that led those in sin to advance their sinful modifications and sinful bishops and priests to allow them. They did not come from the council, but bad clergy, just as we are seeing today in our hierarchy and not from the council itself. Vatican II was a valid church council and guided by the Holy Spirit. To suggest otherwise is a slap on the Holy Spirit to think he was not present at a valid Church council in and through its documents on Mary and on the Church. As one credible prophetic message states: 9/4/07 A council, called by the Holy Father and attended by the Bishops of the World, is not satanic. It was called by my Holy Spirit. Do my people think they know better than my Spirit? My vicar is the head of my church and is led by my Holy Spirit...... You cannot blame the Second Vatican Council for the increase in the sins of the flesh: homosexuality, abortion, murder, and all the sins of your age. You cannot blame the Second Vatican Council for the decrease in vocations, lack of reverence and attendance at the Holy Mass. The blame is my people compromising with the world, rebelling against the Holy Father, and believing the lies, deception, and the words of Satan. The problems of today had their beginnings many years prior to the 1960’s. This decade brought the problems into the open. Masonry, in all its diabolical forms, infiltrated my church many years prior to the Second Vatican Council. During those turbulent years, masons were elevated to positions of authority in my church. Those Masonic forces were unleashed from the pit of hell and caused the problems in your world today. Read my word. All of these events were prophesied and are being fulfilled before your eyes. My word must be fulfilled. Satan is clever. He is much more intelligent than you. He is using Vatican II as a deceptive lie to hide the real cause for the division in my church. The real cause for the division is the pride of mankind, the rejection of God, and many in my church making compromises with Satan. He knows if the real truth was revealed, the church would be unified, and he would be defeated. This present and continuing purification is exposing the lies and deception of Satan. My church will be as I want it: humble, persecuted, and a light to the world. It will once again follow in my footsteps to Calvary, and to a glorious resurrection. To repeat, the Second Vatican Council is not the cause of the problems in my church. The cause is the pride of my people who compromise with the demon. Those who cause division and schism in my church do not listen or follow them. For heresy can occur from many different directions. Those who deny my church’s teachings, whether labeled liberals or traditionalists, are promoting heresy. Pray for these souls.
