Pachamamas thrown into Tiber River!

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  1. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Founder of Claritas

    Oooooh, firewood!
     
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  2. garabandal

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  3. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    We are certainly witnessing and experiencing an Unseen War.
     
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  4. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    :DProbably should have burned the idols and then tossed the ashes in the Tiber.
     
  5. Texas Mama of 2

    Texas Mama of 2 Archangels

    Yes, my thoughts exactly!
     
  6. DeGaulle

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  7. Mario

    Mario Powers

    This blasphemous prayer is idolatrous to the nth degree. :mad: Righteous anger demands of me to publicly condemn it. I have to, however, think of the most constructive way of doing so. :unsure: Anyone know of any counter petitions! :coffee:

    LORD HAVE MERCY!
     
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  8. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Founder of Claritas

    What I find really disturbing about this prayer, is not just that it's pure paganism, but that it seems to be going for full-blown old-school Paganism! There's no mention of any leftist, or environmental talking points anywhere in this prayer, no "forgive us for our carbon footprints," or the like, it's not even Incan or Amazonian, it says:

    "Make that the oxen walk well, and that they not become tired. Make that the seed sprout well, that nothing bad may happen to it, that the cold may not destroy it, that it produce good food." (Emphasis mine)

    That's full-blown European paganism right there! :eek:
     
  9. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Thanks Torrentum.
    Very sad :( Horrible actually :(

    It is important to note the document linked refers to the pagan "goddess" by name in it's prayers to her. And it was from April 2019!

    So much for plausible deniability.
     
  10. SteveD

    SteveD Powers

    Here is the Pope Paul VI audience hall which as Michael Matt points out resembles a particular creature:[​IMG]
     
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  11. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Founder of Claritas

    If I were Pope, I would replace that building with a building devoted to Mariology and Marian Devotions, for obvious symbolic reasons.
     
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  12. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    Creepy! :eek:
     
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  13. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    The plant is not insignificant.
    There is something sinister when an unconsecrated thing is placed on the altar of sacrifice.
    And the soil represents 'Mother Earth'?

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  14. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Mario just said that he believed that the high altar was not the place to put them.
    I agree with him.
     
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  15. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Founder of Claritas

    Italian bishops’ mission org publishes ‘prayer to Pachamama’ in official booklet

    Analysis

    October 29, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — A prayer to Pachamama, the “Mother Earth” venerated by indigenous tribes such as the Aymara and Quechua in the Andes but also in the northern plains of Argentina and in Brazil near Bolivia and Peru, has been found in an official booklet of the Fondazione Missio (Mission Foundation) of the Italian bishops’ conference.

    The prayer is presented without warning about the fact that it is addressed not to God — another prayer in the publication, written in the same letter-type and the same color scheme, is addressed to the “Most Holy Trinity” — but to a pagan divinity, asking for material prosperity and aiming to placate the spirits of the Earth.

    The booklet is part of a series of resources presenting the work and aims of the Catholic mission and its missionaries, with a special focus on the Amazon Synod that took place in Rome from October 6 to October 27.

    It was published before the opening of the synod. The presence of the “Pachamama” in an official publication of de Italian bishops’ mission agency suggests that both the group comprising indigenous natives of the Amazon region and their European-type accompaniers and the Catholic hierarchy in Rome were fully aware of the “Mother Earth”–type cult with syncretic Christian overtones that repeated itself in the Vatican gardens and the church of Santa Maria in Traspontina near Saint Peter’s Basilica and at an “Amazonian” Via Crucis.

    This sheds a whole new light on the presence of the carved wooden images of naked pregnant women whom Pope Francis himself designated as “Pachamama” statuettes.

    The 30 pages of the booklet, which is dedicated to the “animation” and “formation” of the faithful in view of the Amazon Synod, is available (in Italian) here under the title Sinodo sull’Amazzonia. It explains how REPAM, the ecclesiastical network for the pan-Amazonian region, was created in 2014 in order to help the Church “walk together” with its inhabitants, especially the indigenous tribes who still live there according to their ancestral traditions, some of them refusing all contact with the rest of the world.

    It contains astonishing statements such as this one: “The Amazonian basin contains 20% of the unfrozen fresh water of the planet. Out of every 5 glasses of water you drink, one comes from the Amazon river.”

    Remarkably, the booklet also uses multiple phrases and concepts that can now be found in the final document of the synod, lifted out from the preparatory document (2018) and the working document (instrumentum laboris, June 2019). Neither of these used the word “Pachamama,” but the second frequently mentioned “Madre Tierra,” which is the Spanish translation of the concept of Pachamama, “Mother Earth,” or “Mother of the Universe.”

    Indigenous ceremonies to the Pachamama involve different rites, including the most important that takes place at the beginning of August, when “Mother Earth” is supposedly tired and worn out. The rite consists in singing, dancing, and drinking around a blanket on which offerings are placed, some of them burned or smoked ritually, to “feed” the Earth that nourishes but that also destroys and kills by earthquakes and other catastrophes when men use too many of her resources, according to pagan legends. The ritual is led by a local shaman.

    Often a hole is dug in the ground, symbolizing the Pachamama’s womb, and burnt offerings — including the highly sought after llama fetus, which is supposed to bring luck and riches — are ritually tipped into it.

    Male and female shamans will take part in conducting these ceremonies.

    Historically, before the arrival of the Spanish conquerors, the Incan cult to Pachamama included human sacrifice, often of children aged 7 or 8, whose death was supposed to placate the Earth “divinity,” to avert her anger and to obtain prosperity. So were 200 youngsters offered up to accompany the crowning of Pachacutec in Cuzco, somewhere between 1530 and 1540. The sacrifice often took the form of freezing the children to death after having drugged them with coca, the sacred plant of many indigenous tribes in South America. Mummies of sacrificed children have been found that confirm the truth of the practice of human sacrifice to Pachamama in particular.

    Vestiges of the Pachamama cult were to be found in the 1960s, but since then, the “Mother Earth” rhetoric has become more visible, if not mainstream, within the indigenous communities of some of the Andean regions. Evo Morales, indigenous president of Bolivia since 2006, played an important role in the recovery of pre-Columbian customs and rites; he even went so far as to include a mention of the syncretic “cosmogony” of the indigenous in the Bolivian constitution.

    In November 2014, cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi, president of the Pontifical Council for Culture, participated in a Pachamama rite during which the main officiator and representative of the Institute of Aboriginal Cultures (ICA), Victor Acebo, presented a lengthy and plaintive speech about the pagan “spirituality” of “Mother Earth.” The speech, in Spanish, was clearly understandable on the “Atrio de los gentiles” website, in a video that appears since to have been pulled from the site. The “Courtyard of the Gentiles” was an initiative of Pope Benedict XVI in 2009 to invite non-Catholics and atheists to discover the Catholic faith. In Argentina in 2014, it worked the other way round.

    Pachamama was therefore not altogether unknown in Rome when a series of brown and black statuettes of native, naked, pregnant women with their blood-red wombs and fetuses clearly visible — as they are in modern-day depictions of the Mother Earth — made their debut in the city.

    Nor can the meaning and sense of the Pachamama “prayer” included in an official booklet of the mission agency of the Italian bishops’ conference have been ignored, especially since said document can be found on particular websites of Italian dioceses, such as Bergamo.

    Michael Hichborn of the Lepanto Institute published an English translation of the Italian text of the prayer on his Facebook page.

    Here is the full prayer, as translated from the Italian:

    Pachamama of these places,
    drink and eat as much as you like of these offerings,
    so that this land may be fruitful.
    Pachamama, good Mother
    Be propitious! Be propitious!
    Let the oxen walk well,
    and let them not get tired.
    Make the seed taste good,
    that nothing bad happen to it,
    that frost may not disrupt it,
    that it produce good food.
    We ask you:
    give us everything.
    Be propitious! Be propitious!

    (Prayer to the Mother Earth of the Inca peoples)

    Interestingly, the original Quechua version of the prayer and its Spanish modern translation are slightly different.

    The first two lines read as follows:

    Pachamama of these places,
    Drink, chew coca, and eat as much as you like of these offerings…

    Apparently the Fondazione Missio were wary of the “chewing coca” part, coca being illegal in almost all countries except Bolivia and a few others, where its traditional use is permitted. While viewed by U.N. as an addictive substance, the coca leaf is considered sacred by the indigenous tribes of the Andes, and its mastication is credited with many virtues: it is rich in vitamins, diminishes appetite, and works as a stimulant.

    On the other hand, while the production of cocaine from the coca leaf requires a number of complex chemical processes, it acts as a drug even when simply chewed, procuring hallucinations and other effects of a natural narcotic. As such, it was widely used in traditional indigenous rites. It plays an important part in the Pachamama ritual, in particular because of its “stimulating” characteristics, and it is also used to divine the future.

    The expunged version of the Pachamama prayer was used at a missionary vigil in Verona, according to a photo of part of the ceremony leaflet posted by a commentator under Michael Hichborn’s Facebook message.
     
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  16. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Founder of Claritas

  17. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    How can one totally disregard Pope Benedict XVI's intelligence and theological/ canonical knowledge?
    How does one explain why he still retains all the characteristics of being a Pope?
    Do you think he does it out of pride?

    If God Himself asked Benedict XVI to do what he did, would you still accuse him of being the worst pope in history?
    God's ways are not our ways.

    Separation of the false church from the true church, the goats from the sheep.

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  18. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    Please read the following article.

    I think the conclusion in this linked article is the ONLY position available to us orthodox faithful Catholics as this time, I.e., until the Church tells us otherwise, Francis is our pope, even if he is a heretic:

    Is Francis the Pope?
     
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  19. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    I cannot believe so.
    I've posted my response on that new thread you started.
     
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  20. Lumena

    Lumena Guest

    I havn't believed he is Pope since I found out that his election was the result of a plot by the Saint Gallen Mafia.
     
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