Our Lady of Fatima travels to Rome at the request of two Popes

Oh my gosh! Why have I never read that before. I may have read excerpts , but never the whole thing...wow!!

 

I think it would be good to rethink and trust in Gods providence for His people. Steve...it sounds as if some of those quotes supposedly from JPII are from speculative sources. Remember...certain groups often twist the popes words to fit their agenda. Lucia...the surviving seer of Fatima...tells us that the 1984 consecration WAS accepted by our Lady...and she most certainly was in the position to know. Have we forgotten...1989...the year of the bloodless fall of political communism in Europe. This was a incredible event...never seen before in history...not to mention that the nuclear war of 1984/1985 was diverted. Don't forget that Medjougre apparitions began during this time... also... Pope JPII released the 3rd secret in 2000 in a sucession of incredible ..." years of"...year of God the Father, Year of God the Son, Year of God the Holy Spirit. Not to mention the 2000 year of Jublilee and the feast of Mercy was established in the year 2000 with the sainthood of St Faustina. There was one more very important year that evades me now. So yes...the 1984 consecration has released a tremendous amounts of grace upon the world. We here in the Western world tend to be "self absorbed"...while we certainly have rejected the gospel here...the gospel makes headway in the poorer nations. It is our society that is suicidal in the midst of Gods great outpouring of grace. To forget these graces is ingratitude. God has given us so many incredible gifts of grace in years past...how have we availed ourselves of them?

 

Basically all of the popes since Pope Pius IX have known better than our Blessed Mother and have NOT consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. What am I missing?

 

Timothius, the quotes are from some of those traditional Catholics present at a conference addressed by JPII in Fulda, Germany in October 1980. There are several sources all of which agree in substance as to what was said. No-one present appears to have denied that the report comments are accurate.

 

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Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone presides over the October 12/13 Pilgrimage
2013-07-30

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The Shrine of Fatima is pleased to announce that Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Secretary of State of the Vatican, will preside, at Fatima, over the International Anniversary Pilgrimage of October 12/13.

In the invitation letter he sent, on July 12, to all Portuguese Bishops, announcing the coming to Fatima of Cardinal Bertone, Bishop Antonio Marto, of Leiria-Fatima, says that “the presence of the Cardinal Secretary of State will highlight the communion with the Holy Father, so characteristic of the Message of Fatima”.

 

Locutions:

206. The Convulsions of 2012

Dec 26th, 2011

A Shift of Power
They have moved to control Egypt and will do the same in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan. The whole face of that region will change very quickly. Dark clouds will surround Israel, which is their primary target. You must understand. Destroying Israel would vindicate radical Muslims. They would have achieved by their destructive means what years of peaceful negotiations could not. Even moderate Muslims would have to concede their victory. All the power will shift and will no longer respect national borders. There would arise a new multi-national Muslim reality that is drunk on Jewish blood. That is what the world is facing and why I am speaking so clearly.

 

Well my yahoo acct. now will not let me send out emails for 'lists' of people. They did up until yesterday. Now my list has grown bigger. I under stand the spam stuff, but it is frustrating...Got a lot of people wanting to know stuff. Now they will just have to do it on their own cause I don't have time to individually do it.

 

The above does not match well with the below, which was taken from the www.fatima.org website.

[/quote]"The October 1981 issue of the German magazine Stimme des Glaubens reported on a discussion that Pope John Paul II had with a select group of German Catholics, in November of 1980. The following is a verbatim report of the discussion:

Text of the Published Report
The Holy Father was asked, "What about the Third Secret of Fatima? Should it not have already been published by 1960?"

Pope John Paul II replied: "Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves.
"On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired."
The Pope continued: "Many wish to know simply from curiosity and a taste for the sensational, but they forget that knowledge also implies responsibility. They only seek the satisfaction of their curiosity, and that is dangerous if at the same time they are not disposed to do something, and if they are convinced that it is impossible to do anything against evil."
At this point the Pope grasped a Rosary and said: "Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray, and ask for nothing more. Leave everything else to the Mother of God." [/quote]

From:http://www.fatima.org/thirdsecret/fulda.asp

What Steve D has quoted does not exactly correspond to what I have read about Fulda over the years at www.fatima.org, where they have taken great pains to try to verify what was actually said, whilst lacking an actual copy of the magazine concerned, "Stimme des Glaubens."

Also, what is new to me is the part in Steve D's post which is added to the events at Fulda and purported to have taken place a few weeks later. i.e.:

"After some weeks of speculation in the newspapers that this could be the result of a nuclear war, Pope John Paul II said to the press to stop saying that the secret of Fatima predicts a nuclear war. "No, All that I have said in Germany is the result of natural causes."

This is very vague. Especially since many times in his pontificate, he went on to pray that God would deliver us from nuclear catastrophe.

 

I think he will do it... I think he knows we are at the eleventh hr.

 

"Make it known to My ministers, given that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, they will follow him into misfortune. It is never too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary."

In another text she (Sister Lucia) wrote,

"Later, through an intimate communication, Our Lord complained to me: ‘They did not wish to heed My request! ... Like the King of France they will repent of it, and they will do it, but it will be late..."​

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From: http://www.fatima.org/essentials/facts/rianjo.asp​

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There was an opportune time in which to do it, a time in which all of the Bishops of the world would have felt it necessary to defer to the wishes of the Holy Father in joining with him to effect the Consecration, even if only for "social approval" reasons. But that time is long gone. Now, it will be difficult to comply with the formula "... in union with all the Bishops in the world..."​

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The Holy father may have to do it to the best of his ability with a certain number of the Bishops of the world - those who will be willing to join with him. As to those who would be unwilling, they would expose themselves as wolves by this refusal.​

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I am no expert on foreign relations by any means (maybe on over eating)...it seems to me some major event will follow the consecration to Russia perhaps similar to Egypt or Syria? It would serve communist Russia to directly blame the Pope and Catholics in general, so begins the persecution. There is some hidden political fear that has caused a ridiculous about of time to pass. Please everyone feel free to speculate..

 

Well this does not correspond to what Our Lady said, namely that Russia will be converted and a period of peace will be granted to the world. The battle is spiritual, not political, and up until this point in time, Satan is triumphant. Naturally he has used his emissaries in the Vatican to ensure that the Consecration has never happened. But why speculate on any possible negative political consequences when it would be much easier to trust the Mother of God and obey her directive? She has already told us that the end will be positive.

 

"The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres ... churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord...." Words of Our Lady...
Will we see these prophetic words of Akita materialize after the consecration is done? Should pope Francis mention Russia and if the bishops are not in communion with him,..will it mean the consecration will not be fully excepted? Or will it mean it is excepted, but persecution will follow? I have to agree with Genuflect,..I think persecution will follow.
Maybe Putin won't look at it as a blessing, but as an insult?
I think it was JPII who stated the Church began with the shedding of blood and it will be no different this time with the purification of the Church.
Something I would like to share,..while I was on retreat a couple weeks ago at the Benedictine Abbey there is a poster framed with pictures of every single Pope with a short history, and what I noticed was that most of the first,..I'd say around twenty Popes were all martyred. The first Pope Peter was martyred on June 29th,..I also noticed Pope Benedict was ordained a priest June 29th. I don't know if there is any connection but I found that interesting. The other thing I noticed about that poster was there was only one slot left to square it off and that spot would be Pope Francis.
I think many will be praying for him to finally mention Russia, so we can be done with it.

 

192. Fatima and Medjugorje – Preparing for a Greater Light

Mary
Today, I pour out the deepest words of my Immaculate Heart. They are words dripped in blood. When I brought Jesus forth in Bethlehem, there was no blood. It was a virgin birth. But quickly, there began the blood of suffering when Simeon prophesied about the child and Herod even threatened the child’s life. So the words I speak are words dripped in my own blood, like a mother bringing a child to birth.

Before going on, I must explain the divine plan, what is in the Father’s heart. He has only love for mankind and when it sinned, he sent his Son. As it continues to hurtle to destruction, he has sent me as a messenger, a voice, the modern John the Baptist. I am not the Word of God, I am only his voice telling you to receive God’s Word, Jesus, my Son. Now, let us begin.

From the beginning, God planned great glory for man, like a rich man for his newborn child. But also, from the beginning, those plans were destroyed by sin. Man became unworthy of God’s glory. Sin continued and grew powerful and the likelihood that the Father’s plan would ever be accomplished seemingly vanished. Then, in the fullness of time, God sent an angel to reveal to me his plan of sending His Son. I saw my role, as difficult as it would be, filled with the shedding of blood, and I accepted that role. The light of God came and burned brightly. Jesus was raised up and placed on the lampstand. Bur now, the power of sin repeats the original distancing. Every day sin multiplies beyond its former limits. It intrudes even into the sanctuary of the Church and touches the highest office of worldly powers.

So, the Father decided to intervene again. At an important moment, as the New World was just beginning to open up to the European explorers, I appeared to St. Juan Diego at Guadalupe. There began the greatest moment of conversions to Jesus in all of history, a power that continues until this day.
Can this not happen again? Cannot the Father again send me as his heavenly messenger. It has already happened. The sun itself was shaken at Fatima. The visions continue each day at Medjugorje. Both of these will come into a full brilliance. Their light has not been spent. These two sites are preparing hearts but the full brilliance of my Son is still to come – soon, so very soon. Prepare the way of the Lord.
Comment: God never gives up. When the darkness gets greater, he sends greater light.

 

200. Publishing the Full Fatima Secret

Mary
When the heavens open up and the rains come down, man is helpless. Sometimes, what rains down is a blessing, the water so desperately needed in a dry spell. At other times, the water is too great and floods result. At times, the water becomes the snow of blizzards. Mankind has never conquered the heavens. It has never come under his control.

If mankind has not control over the beneficent waters that come down to bless the earth, he also has no control over the demonic fires that will rain down from the heavens. In the past century, Satan equipped man to rain down destructive fires, those bombs of destruction called nuclear. Now, he has equipped many nations which are either in his control or soon will be in his control. How he covets those bombs of fire. He stores them up. He increases their power and their accuracy. He chooses his closest companions (those whom he controls the most) to be in charge. He places them in high positions. He removes others who are more moderate and replaces them with radical hearts that want to increase the destruction and will not wait.

That is what is taking place, but the world does not see. Satan’s greatest delight centers on atomic weapons. He stirs people to build them, to store them and to prepare to use them. If some leaders are hesitant, he removes them. He waits until all is in place.
Do you think that all of his preparation is in vain? Do you think he is bluffing? Do you think he stores up atomic weapons as a deterrent? He has no qualms. Destruction is his nature and his goal. He wants to leave nothing standing. He wants to destroy the human race and reverse the creation of mankind. This would be his greatest moment.

Mankind, this is where you are. How foolish you are to think that Satan can possess nuclear arms and never use them. They will be used. How far and how great the destruction depends on your turning to me, on how many listen to my words and come into my Immaculate Heart. Let the Church proclaim these words. The Church can reveal the full secret of Fatima. I have already spoken. The Church need only say, “This is what the Virgin of Fatima has said”.

Why are my words held back? Whose so-called prudence is covering over my Wisdom? If I have spoken these words (and were they not given to the most faithful of my messengers – the three children of Fatima), then why are they not published? If they are not published, I will remove those who are covering them over and replace them with my true servants who will release the full light of Fatima.

Comment: To speak of nuclear war or widescale destruction is dangerous, but if Our Lady has herself spoken in a solemn warning, then the words should be published.

 

Sunburst said..."The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres ... churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord...." Words of Our Lady...
Will we see these prophetic words of Akita materialize after the consecration is done?

In my opinion this has already materialised.Over 70,000 priests have left the priesthood since Vatican II.

 

201. Removing the Church’s Obstacles to Fatima

Mary
When I spoke at Fatima, the forces of darkness seemed to be strong, but they would have easily been defeated. I would have shortened the war, even end it immediately, if my words had been published and people had responded. This is the great mystery of my Immaculate Heart that I am trying to reveal.
The heavenly Father has chosen to exalt my Immaculate Heart. He has placed every treasure of peace and stability in my heart, like a divine flame. This divine flame is meant to go forth to the whole world.

Instead, the flame burns within me and is bottled up because I cannot find the human hearts to receive this flame. To anyone who loves my Immaculate Heart, I give treasures far beyond their merits because so many treasures are left behind.

This was my message at Fatima. If heeded, the darkness would have quickly been overcome. Instead my words were hidden, and covered over, so the forces of darkness grew. The clouds of war formed again and a second world war began which never should have happened.

Events Since 1917
So, what has taken place since I first spoke at Fatima (1917)? Instead of war being extinguished and the world enjoying unprecedented times of peace, the clouds gathered time and again. How many times I have saved the world! So many incidents could have flared into atomic war! These are secrets you will see in heaven.

But now the clash is inevitable. The darkness has grown and grown. My words at Fatima have been pushed aside, tabled, ignored, and seen as of little importance. Other items took the first place on the agenda. Man’s words replaced my words. Man’s words tried to form the Church, a Church which had no idea of the demonic forces which it was facing. The antidote was always there, but it was never used.

The Light of Fatima
Now the situation has changed drastically. The darkness has been allowed to grow and envelops most of the world. The crises are all too evident – even to the secular eye. The darkness has also grown emboldened. It is ready to strike, to unleash its destructive powers. What do I say? My words are clear. I will release the light of Fatima. I will no longer allow anyone to hold it back. I can no longer delay. I will take matters into my own hands. I will raise up those who will not be ashamed of my message. I will sweep aside those who are the obstacles. The light of Fatima must shine fully. Then the powers of darkness will fade.
Comment: Mary speaks about the Church and the Church’s failure to preach the Fatima message.

 

202. The Pope Must Lead the Church to Fatima

Mary
Throughout the world, people begin to prepare for the feast of Christmas. Many do so in a very sincere way. How different the original Christmas and the Christmas of today. The birth was unknown to the world. The light had come but only the shepherds shared in the story. How much more was to unfold, with John the Baptist preparing the way. Then, my Son came onto the scene, anointed with the Holy Spirit and power. All the events unfolded, prophesied ahead of time, and culminating in his death and resurrection.

Since then, the gospel has gone forth, preached to all the nations and drawing all who believe into great light. Now, everything is threatened. The work of centuries is being attacked as never before. The darkness is trying to put out all the lights of Christ and to erase all the faith. Satan looks forward to this coming year. Some he will destroy by death but their martyrdoms will become eternal lights, always lighting up the heavens. Even more, he will try to destroy by fear, when the disasters will shake people’s faith. But most of all, he will try to conquer by despair, when so many surrender to the seemingly hopeless situations which they will face.

Words to the Church
Where is my Church? It will proclaim the truths as usual, and this is its task. But, this is not enough. My Church will need help, my help. So, these words are for my Church in this coming year of 2012. You have the deposit of faith but you do not have within your grasp what you will need to sustain your people in faith, in the face of all that will occur in this coming year. You are weak. You are helpless. Your light is not strong enough. Your lights are fragile and vulnerable. You are not ready for the assaults of darkness. How clearly can I speak to you? Whole sections of the Church are ready to be swept into darkness. The work of conversions done over centuries is about to be toppled. You will see it before your very eyes, like a mother viewing the death of her child.

Command to the Holy Father
What can I say to you? How much must I warn you? Go to Fatima! Take all the believers with you. Go to Fatima as quickly as possible! All that you need lies in my Immaculate Heart at Fatima. Do not listen to those in high places who caution prudence or who tell you to wait. Holy Father, lead my Church to Fatima. Why are you waiting? What is the delay? If I had not spoken, if I had not appeared, if I had not placed the treasures there, then I could excuse you. Things would not be so clear. Clear away your desk. Set aside the other issues. Proclaim a year of Fatima. Be very specific. Get people to read my messages. Get them to understand the great blessings that remain unopened. People need concrete advice on how to walk. This is a clear path. Before the destruction begins, I want my whole Church to go to Fatima. I will be there.

Let no one ask in the middle of all that will happen, “Where is Mary?” I have told you where I am. Those who go there, in body or in spirit, will be kept safe.

Comment: No locution has been so specific, so clear and so urgent. Let us say often, “Lady of Fatima, pray for us.”

 

203. The Pope Must Proclaim a Year of Fatima

Mary
I wait for the Consecration of Russia to be done by the Holy Father. He must move quickly before it is too late. The world events must convince him that no other force exists that can turn back the satanic destruction of the world and of the Church that is taking place. Mankind will be helpless and the Church will be helpless. (There will be scandal after scandal.)

Everything is going in reverse. Power is slipping away, both from world leaders and Church leaders. The bonds of stability that held the world together are loosening. The world does not know what to do but the Church knows and the Pope knows. The Pope must cut away those who tell him to stay away from Fatima. They are the voices of Satan and need to be silenced.

The Pope’s Task
The Pope must draw near to Fatima. He must study Fatima. He must encircle himself with advisers who both know and love Fatima. He must preach on Fatima. He must instruct the whole Church. He must tell the bishops that they are to fully embrace the message and teaching of Fatima. The Church of 2012 must become a Church of Fatima. Only in this way, will the Church begin to take the right road. Do not be afraid of those who will raise their voices against this.

I will bring the people back to the sacraments. This will quickly prepare for the Consecration of Russia. Fervor will return. Hearts will see the great mistakes they have made. There will be a gigantic “turning back”. However, the effort must be “all-out”. A letter will not suffice. A homily, here or there, won’t even be noticed. Even to speak of me in a general way, will gain no attention.

Lucy on the Lampstand
So, I speak to my son, my beloved Pope. Place the light of Fatima in your own heart. Let that light grow. Let that light diminish all the other lights, even the brilliant light of your human plans. The world, at this point, does not need your theological teachings, (as brilliant as they are). They need my simple teachings that I gave to the three children, especially to Lucy. She is a light placed under a bushel basket and it is time for you to put her on the lampstand.

Comment: Mary gives a clear prescription for the Church’s ills. Hopefully, the Pope will listen.

 

Oh my, what planet are you on today Sunburst??? This has already happened. Cardinals, Bishops and priests have been opposing each other for decades! Marian priests are scorned by their confreres - even priests who wear their proper uniform are scorned by their confreres in my country! The Church is full of those who accept compromise and that has been going on since the promulgation of Humane Vitae, (and leading up to it). Contraception, of course, is only one element of compromise. Many Priests and religious have left the service of the Lord. Priests have even left to marry nuns, in my home town.

The part about churches and altars sacked is even happening - though it is perhaps not so widely publicised as the other things - but it's been happening for decades and it's getting worse. It is one of the reasons that the Churches are locked now all the time. People go in to them and do obscene things in them if they are left unlocked.