So............. I s suepct despite negative things... what they are saying.. it was quite true in a Roamn elction for Pope God will interven directly...
Hmmm, interesting Padraig. Can you share what you have been shown? And who is the lady in New York? Does she have messages posted somewhere?
A person can talk negatively about an apparition site that is not yet condemned or approved. And it is frowned on. Yet we can continue to talk about a condemned apparition as if the church is wrong, and no one cares?? Is this right?
The following is a copy of the decree issued on June 7, 2003, the Feast of the Vigil of Pentecost, in the case of Gianna Sullivan, by William Cardinal Keeler, Archbishop of Baltimore. Office of the Cardinal Decree Having received reports of alleged locutions and visions said to have taken place in St. Joseph Church, Emmitsburg, Maryland, in the archdiocese of Baltimore; and having studied these reports most attentively through the work of a commission of recognized experts in theology, cannon law, and the behavioral sciences; and having shared with the Holy See the report of the Commission and received from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the appropriate authorization; I hereby declare that in this case, constat de non supernaturalitate. Accordingly, there is to be no public activity in the churches, oratories and other properties of the Archdiocese of Baltimore relating to the alleged apparitions and locutions. William Cardinal Keeler Archbishop of Baltimore Constant de non supernaturalitate means consisted of nothing supernatural.
The following is a copy of the letter from the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, sent to Cardinal Keeler, Archbishop of Baltimore, February 15, 2003. Your Eminence, Thank you for you letter of 23 August, 2002, with the results of the investigation conducted by the relevant diocesan commission on the allegedly "supernatural" apparitions and messages received by Mrs. Gianna Tallone- Sullivan at Emmitsburg, Maryland, in your Archdiocese. You asked this Congregation to offer our judgment on the issue. After a careful examination of the contents of the report and having taken into consideration all the aspects of the present case, this Congregation commends the work done by the commission and considers that Your Eminence is in a position to conclude the matter with a decree of "constat de non supernaturalitate" in reference to the phenomena in question. I take this opportunity to offer Your Eminence my sincere respects and every best wish, I remain Yours devotedly in the Lord, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger.
Well from Emmitsburg the two suns idea seems to me to be true. From New York the lady whose Spiritual Director is Monsignor Eseef is right about a future divine intervention in a Papal Election seems also to be true. I am not saying both visionaries are authentic, I just don't know but in these two things I think they are right. Concerning the direct divine intervention thing, I always thought it was a Marian Secret, so yes it raised goose pimples seeing it right out in the open like that. In fact I believe the College of Cardianls, the electors are going to go right out and choose someone who is not a Cardinal . I am not sure if this is the next election, but they will do so, eventually. It will be a real miracle and will be generally acknowledged as such. Times are certainly moving
To be honest I wasn't quite sure what the Church Decree, 'Constat de non supernaturalitate', meant. But there is a very good explanation on the EWTN web site. 2. Constat de non supernaturalitate. The judgment that an alleged apparition has been shown to be not supernatural means it iseither clearly not miraculous or lacks sufficient signs of the miraculous. Private revelation, for example, which is doctrinally dangerous or which manifests hostility to lawful authority could not come from God. It could even be demonic, especially if there are extraordinary signs accompanying it. The devil gladly mingles truth and lie to deceive the faithful, dazzling them with signs and wonders to give credence to his message. His purpose is to separate them from the Church, either by getting them to believe things contrary to the deposit of the faith or to act contemptuously of Church authority. An attitude of pride and judgment toward the Church is a clear sign of his presence. An alleged revelation may also only be a pious rambling, consistent with faith and morals, but lacking evidence of being anything more than the product of human effort. No fraud need be intended, only an active imagination. Finally, it may be that the doctrine may be sound and there may be phenomena, but insufficient to demonstrate supernaturality. In this latter case, there would seem to be a possibility of revision. Anyhow since the Church has ruled against Emmitsburg perhaps we are better staying clear of it. I wouldn't describe it as a condemnation however, EWTN seems to think that the door might still, in some cases, be open a crack?
Yes, I agree with you Padraig, we need to be obedient otherwise what is the point of it all? You already know that Sr Faustina was put on the back burner then Pope John 2 declared her a saint, I think God meant for that to happen as she was to be a saint of these times, rather than us take her for granted. God knows what he is doing and he guides us through The Seat of Peter.
That is interesting Padraig. I didn't know the seer of Monsignor Eseef was a woman from New York, although I did know the seer was from America. Can you point me to the message about the papal election? I would imagine the non-cardinal appointed would be Fr Sudac. I never did read the emmitsburg messages, even before she was condemned. I guess time will tell about the 2 suns. but the emmitsburg apparitions is definately something I do not follow.
be careful with your words Potatosack, she was NOT condemned. Since the Vatican has the largest telescope in the world in NM or Arizona, we will see. What is interesting is that when the June 1st message was given people did not believe there would be two suns. Now NUMEROUS main stream news media outlets and scientists are talking about this Planet X or Niburu, which will cause 'two suns to appear'. The dead fish, the birds dropping out of the air and the whales etc. are also in her messages. We certainly will see. All is unfolding. Even Russia is saying it exists. http://beforeitsnew s.com/space/ 2012/10/russian- news-report- nibiru-exists- 2447914.html http://www.youtube. com/watch? feature=player_ embedded& v=j-1GNe52Iq8
I would think many 'fasle prophets' get some warnings correct. I reckon I and you could pretend to be a false prophet too, I could get info from the bible and other prophets, put them together and all of a sudden you have people saying "see this happened, so it must be true." But not all false prophets make things up. Some believe they're from divine sources but in fact they're from quite the opposite. I opened up true prophecies/false prophecies just for this reason. I was getting so confused with what was being put up. Prophecies were being put up as if they are true and the church has approved, but if fact some were actually condemend. The church has said not to follow Our Lady of Emmitsburg. We should listen.
Yes. I think we've closed the door on these. THe goodness knows there must by thousands of them out on the web without going into those kicked into touch by the Church.
