Notre Dame Cathedral, Paris, is on fire

I’m not sure about that. Could be, but not sure.

 

Amen!

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...he_notre_dame_cathedral_fire_brilliantly.html

Victor Davis Hanson weighs in on the Notre Dame Cathedral fire…brilliantly
Victor Davis Hanson is a well known conservative historian, academic, and author. He contributes commentaries prolifically on the current political scene to a variety of publications. He is a frequent guest commentator on the Fox News Channel. When Dr. Hanson speaks, I listen.

On Fox News's The Ingraham Angle on Tuesday, April 16, Hanson appeared live from his home in California for a three-minute Q and A on the burning of Paris's Notre Dame Cathedral. When a transcript of the program appeared online on Wednesday, I read his comments, which were as impressive as when I first heard them.

His comments totaled 362 words. I can't think of anyone who can fit more substance and meaning into so few words.


Victor Davis Hanson, Life, Liberty & Levin, Fox News Channel Nov. 18, 2018.

Victor Davis Hanson in conversation with Laura Ingraham, The Ingraham Angle, Fox News Channel, Tuesday April 16, 2019:

LAURA INGRAHAM, FOX NEWS CHANNEL HOST: Hundreds marched through the streets of Paris today to ask for the intercession of Notre Dame, Our Lady. The cathedral named in her honor was heavily damaged by fire yesterday, but it is structurally sound. French President Macron vows it will be rebuilt as donations pour in from around the world. And amid the tragedy at Notre Dame, there is a lesson to be learned.

Joining me now is Victor Davis Hanson, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. Victor, you say there's an irony in the history here in the aftermath of this architectural tragedy, tragedy in terms of what we've lost in church history. What is the irony?

VICTOR DAVIS HANSON, HOOVER INSTITUTION: After 800 years, we were the steward of this iconic representation of western civilization, Catholicism, Christendom. And of all the years, 2019, at the height of our sophistication and technology, I'm not blaming the French or anybody, but we were found wanting and we didn't protect this icon. And we don't build them anymore.

There's great churches and cathedrals that go up all over the world, but, Laura, they are in Poland. They are in Cairo. They are in the Ivory Coast, they're in Brazil, they're in India. It's almost as if the places that are less affluent without the technology of western Europe and the United States are like we used to be. They still believe in transcendence. They still believe in something other than this world.

And so it's going to be very hard in our society to ever build a cathedral again, much less to repair them, because we don't believe in what they represented. And it's ironic, because we don't like the past. We are at war with the past. We tear down monuments. We don't build cathedrals. We erase names. We say to Father Serra or Christopher Columbus, you don't live up to our standards of race, class, and gender, moral superiority. Shame on you.

INGRAHAM: We'll wipe you out.

HANSON: And when you have that attitude, you don't have a reference. Yes, we are not good stewards of the inheritance that were bequeathed to us.

INGRAHAM: So Victor, in "Rolling Stone" today, this was what was written. "Any rebuilding should be a reflection not of an old France or the France that never was, a non-secular, white European France, but a reflection of the France of today, a France that is currently in the making." So kind of an interfaith, very large gathering house, Victor, is that what the new cathedral will be?

HANSON: Yes, the person who said that of course, they could be at Verdun and say to the German army you shall not pass, and save French democracy from the Kaiser, or they could have been in the French resistance in World War II and say we're not going to let the Nazis take over the beauty and wonder of France. And this is the France of Madame Curie, and this is the France of the Enlightenment. So for this ignoramus to say that modern France is so much greater than its checkered past, he's a creation of French intellectual excellence and beauty and cultural superiority in many ways.

We owe – much of the world owes a lot to France, and that was embodied with the Notre Dame Cathedral. It's embodied in the Louvre, it's embodied in the French Academy. And he should be really ashamed of himself, because he's a pygmy, and he's really sitting on the shoulders of giants whose names we have forgotten in this period of intellectual and cultural arrogance.

INGRAHAM: Victor, we talk about this a lot. We are almost out of time. But universities spend an enormous amount of time, students' time and energy and tuition dollars, tearing down western civilization. It wasn't so great, the music wasn't so great, architecture, history riddled with racism and classism and all these other things.

So all day long on colleges, we hear western civilization, bad. Then people cry when they see this spire collapse in the flames that can never be rebuilt as it was built. We don't have the wood. We don't have the artisans. It can be rebuilt, but it will never be what it was. But they spent all day trashing western civilization, and now people are rightly mourning it. But it's an imbalance. Final thoughts, real quick.

HANSON: Because they feel something. They feel there is a spiritual loss, there's a cultural loss. But they are too timid or cowardly to articulate it, because to articulate it would not be politically correct. But it's such beauty that transcends things. They can feel it. They just don't want to admit they feel it.

INGRAHAM: They don't want to admit the God thing. Victor, thank you so much. Great to see you, as always.

Peter Barry Chowka writes about politics, media, popular culture, and health care for American Thinker and other publications. Peter's new website is http://peter.media. Follow him on Twitter at @pchowka.

 

Excellent article

 

Does anyone remember a prophecy concerning Notre Dame that goes (and I'm paraphrasing): that if the Cathedral was destroyed it could not be rebuilt because it was not built by human hands? I thought I saw a comment on this thread to that effect but couldn't find it (maybe it was another thread). I was trying to determine the origin of the prophecy. Thanks.

 

Interesting. I suppose it could be the other church and not ND, but even so, I do wonder what prompted the creation of this holy card depicting a church on fire. Very strange.

 

AED, You could be correct. Although I believe that Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich specifically stated St. Peter's in this prophecy, Yves Dupont and others I'm sure wondered if St. Peter's was stated in a figurative way. This is from his 1994 book Catholic Prophecy:: The Coming Chastisement -

53.14 September 10, 1820. ""I saw the Church of St. Peter: it had been destroyed but for the Sanctuary and the main Altar. St. Michael came down into the church, clad in his suit of armor, and he paused, threatening with his sword a number of unworthy pastors who wanted to enter. That part of the Church which had been destroyed was promptly fenced in with light timber so that the Divine office might be celebrated as it should. Then, from all over the world came priests and laymen, and they rebuilt the stone walls, since the wreckers had been unable to move the heavy foundation stones."

Comment: The actual destruction of the Church of St. Peter does not necessarily follow from what is said here, although it remains a possibility. The Church of St. Peter may stand as a symbol of the Catholic Church which as many privileged souls have warned -will be almost completely destroyed before being reborn more beautiful and more glorious than ever.​

Beth, Thank you for posting this, I think that it is the best video that I have seen so far from Michael Matt. In regard to whether or not the fire was arson, I think that we should absolutely be suspicious about how the fire started due to all of the other attacks on churches lately and I am praying that the truth will be found out eventually.

Because of the Notre Dame fire I watched a short video on ACE's prophecies and the following prophecy reminded me of the 100 Catholics (including Michael Matt) who prayed in a piazza in Rome during the past February summit. I realize that it may not be the fruition of the prophecy but I still think it is somewhat interesting -

53.11 August 25, 1820. ""I do not know in what manner I was taken to Rome last night, but I found myself near the (Church of St. Mary Major, and I saw many poor people who were greatly distressed and worried because the Pope was to be seen nowhere, and also on account of the restlessness and the alarming rumors in the city. These people did not seem to expect the church doors to open; they only wanted to pray outside. An inner urging had led them there individually. But I was in the church, and 1 opened the doors. They came in, surprised and frightened because the doors had opened. It seems to me that 1 was behind the door, and they could not see me. There was no office on in the Church, but the Sanctuary lamps were lit. The people prayed quite peacefully.

Comment: The first remark to be made here, perhaps, concerns the fact that Sister Emmerick was taken through space and time (i.e. from Germany to Rome, and from her own times to sometime in the future). In what manner she was thus carried, she herself did not know. 'This is reminiscent of St. Paul. But whatever the manner, a person with any knowledge of mystical theology, and believing what a Catholic should, will know that it is possible. The rest of the message alludes once more to the false Church of Darkness which will be set up in Rome, and to the fact that the Pope will no longer be seen in public. Then, we have another reference to the Great Disaster to come, and the confusion of the Faithful who, by then will be left without guidance. Finally, there is the significant reference to the mutual distrust of Christians, significant, because of the well-known Communist "technique" of planting traitors everywhere.
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This map shows the location of the piazza where the event* took place in relation to the Church of St. Mary Major:



*Ref. In heart of Rome, 100 Catholics silently protest Vatican silence on homosexuality in abuse crisis

 

The burning building in the holy picture is a different building than Notre Dame. The picture shows ND's bell towers side by side, which is a front view of the cathedral. ND's spire is (was) located behind the bell towers whereas the burning spire in the picture is some distance from the towers and beside rather than behind them. I think that the picture is meant to be symbolic rather than a photo-type image or painting, which probably explains why St. Peter's Basilica, also in flames, is depicted.

 

Thank you Dolours. That clears that up. Sometimes you learn more from the comment section than you do the actual video. It happens all the time. I didn’t read them on this video.

Was there an explanation for why it was on fire?

 

Carol, this was a great post. I agree with you that the silent protest is absolutely tied in with prophecy of ACE. I think it is great that you are praying for the truth to come out. I will join you in that intention. It will come out when God wants it to come out.

 

I'm not sure if this was already posted, but if not, this is a prophecy of Marie=Julie Janenny:

#18 CHASTISEMENTS will BEGIN WITH PARIS Prophecy dated December 8, 1874.

"In Rome the storm will be the blackest. The storm of Rome is even worse than the storm in France. All the wrath of the ungodly is in Rome. All the anger of the wicked is focused on the Holy See. (But), The chastisements will begin with Paris.

The Bishop who investigated her and determined her vision to be of supernatural origin was named, Fournier. The same name as the priest who ran into the burning cathedral to rescue the Blessed Sacrament and Crown of Thorns.

 

Awesome! Thank you, Lynne. People on this thread have been wondering what MJJ’s prophecies were concerning this event.

 

Yes...this helps! MJJ’s life is pretty interesting. I’d never have studied it before the ND fire.

 

Yes, the comments can be helpful although it gets tiresome wading through the childish insults about idol worship.

No explanation was given. The more I look at the holy picture and compare it with pictures of Sainte Chapelle, the more convince I am that the burning church is St. Chapelle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sainte-Chapelle
St. Chapelle was built to house the crown of thorns, and was built on the grounds of St. (King) Louis' palace. Juding by the photos of it on the internet, it has magnificent stained glass windows.

Someone on this thread said that the domed building could be St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. It could be St. Peter's but there are some contenders in Paris. The church where Napoleon's tomb is located has a dome which is a copy of St. Peter's dome: https://frenchmoments.eu/dome-church-les-invalides/
Sacre Coeur also has a dome similar to St. Peter's: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacré-Cœur,_Paris Sacre Coeur is much newer than the other churches but, given its name, it seems like the most likely contender to be the domed building in the holy picture.

 

Thanks Lynne.

 

There seems to be a fatal turn towards specifically attacking Catholicism by the extreme Islamists, in recent times. Going back to the beginnings of Islamist terrorism, one could see a certain logic in bin Laden's strategy. His enemy was atheistic secularism and his great statement was not an attack on a Cathedral, but upon the most prominent symbol of freemasonic secularism, the Twin Towers in New York.

This direction against Catholicism seems new and one wonders what is its source. It wouldn't surprise me if the fingerprints of certain secular factions were upon this new strategy, which is a dual-pronged attack upon Christianity in general, but effectively against Catholicism specifically. One sees that the American Left were pre-prepared for this slaughter, with their de-identifying new label for us, 'Easter-worshippers', seemingly well rehearsed among them and in particular by notorious ISIS-sponsors, Obama and Clinton.

Ironically, I believe this strategy will ultimately weaken Mohammedanism among the ordinary believers, most of whom hate secularism far more than they do Catholicism, which they at least accept as a religion with moral beliefs that they share. If they ally themselves with secularism, they will destroy the moral base of their religion which will consequently self-secularise and decline. If they reject this course, they will become less hostile to conversion to the Truth, and will at least become a useful ally against the progressives.

 

There's no shortage of Catholics feeding the Islamic hate. Catholic Spring types who would have us apologise for every wayward (in their opinion) act by every Catholic who ever lived. The same Catholics who suck up to every pressure group promoting any and all anti-Christian perversions in the name of "tolerance and diversity"........they're the type who promote free speech provided the speech supports the narrative they approve. People who believe that the earth made man and man made God. There's no shortage of them and before long they'll be running all our parishes, spending our money on their pet social justice and "save the earth" causes.

I have a bridge to sell anyone who thinks that a couple of hundred poor Sri Lankan Catholics being blown to smithereens at Mass on Easter Sunday would have merited more than a cursory mention in the media if those luxury hotels hadn't also been targeted. We all know it, and so do the terrorists.

 

Those quasi-Catholics you describe are on the secularist side. If they start running our parishes, they can spend their own money.

 

Ok Dolours...MOG is just a recreational pastime for you! I swear....I think you are a investigative reporter in real life! Lol
You always get to the bottom of these things...better than anyone! Thank you!!

 

Boy, is that the truth! The catholic spring Catholics are running parishes everywhere.