Nanci Pelosi

Discussion in 'Positive Critique' started by padraig, Oct 11, 2021.

  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I cam across this very apt quote last night while listening to St Augustine's, 'City of God.'

    Book One Chapter Five

    If any one forbears to reprove and find fault with those who are doing wrong, because he seeks a more seasonable opportunity, or because he fears they may be made worse by his rebuke, or that other weak persons may be disheartened from endeavoring to lead a good and pious life, and may be driven from the faith; this man's omission seems to be occasioned not by covetousness, but by a charitable consideration. But what is blame-worthy is, that they who themselves revolt from the conduct of the wicked, and live in quite another fashion, yet spare those faults in other men which they ought to reprehend and wean them from; and spare them because they fear to give offense, lest they should injure their interests in those things which good men may innocently and legitimately use — though they use them more greedily than becomes persons who are strangers in this world, and profess the hope of a heavenly country. For not only the weaker brethren who enjoy married life, and have children (or desire to have them), and own houses and establishments, whom the apostle addresses in the churches, warning and instructing them how they should live, both the wives with their husbands, and the husbands with their wives, the children with their parents, and parents with their children, and servants with their masters, and masters with their servants — not only do these weaker brethren gladly obtain and grudgingly lose many earthly and temporal things on account of which they dare not offend men whose polluted and wicked life greatly displeases them; but those also who live at a higher level, who are not entangled in the meshes of married life, but use meagre food and raiment, do often take thought of their own safety and good name, and abstain from finding fault with the wicked, because they fear their wiles and violence. And although they do not fear them to such an extent as to be drawn to the commission of like iniquities, nay, not by any threats or violence soever; yet those very deeds which they refuse to share in the commission of they often decline to find fault with, when possibly they might by finding fault prevent their commission. They abstain from interference, because they fear that, if it fail of good effect, their own safety or reputation may be damaged or destroyed; not because they see that their preservation and good name are needful, that they may be able to influence those who need their instruction, but rather because they weakly relish the flattery and respect of men, and fear the judgments of the people, and the pain or death of the body; that is to say, their non-intervention is the result of selfishness, and not of love.

    Accordingly this seems to me to be one principal reason why the good are chastised along with the wicked, when God is pleased to visit with temporal punishments the profligate manners of a community. They are punished together, not because they have spent an equally corrupt life, but because the good as well as the wicked, though not equally with them, love this present life; while they ought to hold it cheap, that the wicked, being admonished and reformed by their example, might lay hold of life eternal. And if they will not be the companions of the good in seeking life everlasting, they should be loved as enemies, and be dealt with patiently. For so long as they live, it remains uncertain whether they may not come to a better mind. These selfish persons have more cause to fear than those to whom it was said through the prophet, He is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. Ezekiel 33:6 For watchmen or overseers of the people are appointed in churches, that they may unsparingly rebuke sin. Nor is that man guiltless of the sin we speak of, who, though he be not a watchman, yet sees in the conduct of those with whom the relationships of this life bring him into contact, many things that should be blamed, and yet overlooks them, fearing to give offense, and lose such worldly blessings as may legitimately be desired, but which he too eagerly grasps. Then, lastly, there is another reason why the good are afflicted with temporal calamities — the reason which Job's case exemplifies: that the human spirit may be proved, and that it may be manifested with what fortitude of pious trust, and with how unmercenary a love, it cleaves to God.
     
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  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

    St John the Baptist and most of the Prophets were murdered for correcting evil rulers for doing evil deeds. THere is not much chance of Pope Francis getting murdered for doing likewise by the looks of it.
     
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  3. AED

    AED Powers

    True prophets of the Lord are in for a bad time. All through the OT and into the NT. :(
     
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  4. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I wonder what John the Baptist would have thought of Amoris Laetitia?

    When John the Baptist condemned the adulterous relationship of Herod Antipas and Herodias and insisted that they repent of their sins and separate --

    Our present Pope would have argued that in the concrete situation Herod found himself that he may have been subjectively certain in conscience that their previous and irreparably broken marriage had never been valid. No easy recipe exists and so the church recognises at times we have also proposed a far too abstract and almost artificial theological ideal of marriage, far removed from the concrete situations and practical possibilities of real families. This excessive idealization, especially when we have failed to inspire trust in God’s grace, has not helped to make marriage more desirable and attractive, but quite the opposite.

    The way of the Church is not to condemn anyone for ever; it is to pour out the balm of God’s mercy on all those who ask for it with a sincere heart… For true charity is always unmerited, unconditional and gratuitous”.326 Consequently, there is a need “to avoid judgements which do not take into account the complexity of various situations” and “to be attentive, by necessity, to how people experience distress because of their condition”.

    So John the Baptist what do you make of that?

    Maybe Pope Francis will rename you John the Condemner rather than John the Baptist.

    It's a strange old time!
     
  5. Indy

    Indy Praying

    The crowd that are going to be in Rome over the next few weeks anything is possible, who know who will get sacrificed. You would think with PF so much on their side it would be counter productive alright.
     
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  6. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    Could it be that Pelosi is doing something here that Pope Francis isn't really aware of?
     
  7. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

     
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  8. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    I absolutely love this!!! ( my favorite movie)!:LOL::ROFLMAO::D(y):ROFLMAO:
     
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  9. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Yeah! Lol
     
  10. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    You betcha
     
  11. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    His hand looks very deliberately positioned to me and its hard to tell what she's doing with hers, exactly. Of course, it could just be an awkward handshake. Maybe he does it like that because of his papal ring?
     
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  12. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    :eek::(

    I'm just so heartbroken and speechless over this. It's...physically painful as I process it.
     
  13. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    I don't want to believe it was purposeful. But in the video you can see that it is very deliberate...and guided by Pope Francis. Because of his papal ring? I guess that's possible.
     
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  14. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    They looked like they went out of their way to keep that same handshake as they turned to face the cameras…it was kinda awkward the way they did it so as not to break the shake.

    You’d think it’s just too insane for that to be deliberate, but the way this crazy world is, it’s possible!
     
  15. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Absolutely nothing about this surprises me. If the opposite had occurred then I’d be shocked.
     
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  16. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    I say that because I've shaken hands with my Bishop a couple of times and he always holds his hand in such a way that his ring sticks out a bit. Maybe in case the person wants to kiss it (but I never have as I'm too awkward :rolleyes:).
     
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  17. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Well look how happy PF is here with President Trump….
    Funny, he always has a broad smile for the American leftist, but for a conservative, not so much.
    Yes PF…we actually notice this stuff…..
    Oh, and yes the First Lady wore a veil. Maybe she could teach Pelosi a thing or six about etiquette….


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  18. padraig

    padraig Powers

    My father would have loved this guy.

    Never mind my father, I love him...it's just so unusual to find someone so straight shooting these days. Bless him.

    https://news.yahoo.com/north-carolina-lieutenant-governor-faces-193800089.html

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  19. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It all reminds me of fiddling while Rome burns. A bit like having a new redecoration scheme for your house while it is on fire. The entire planet appears to be falling apart yet we are having these constant , very expensive , 'Meetings'. Never mind anything else can the Church even afford all this nonsense?

    Is anybody in the Church or outside it even interested?
     
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  20. padraig

    padraig Powers

    We used to watch , 'The Quiet Man', religiously every Christmas. Not that we had much choice in the matter, the TV channels always stuck it on.

    When John Wayne visited Ireland at that time, i think he had just converted to the Faith.
     
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