Moynihan Letters after Meeting Vigano

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  1. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    He is wonderful.
  2. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    A short video explaining the Vigano interview is on Rumble, You Tube took them down.

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  3. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

  4. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

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  6. PurpleFlower

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    Your parish has had no confessions since they closed for the pandemic?!
  7. maryrose

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    None. I asked and was told I would have to make an appointment. I go to a traditional Latin church now to get confession. It's sad because children are not getting confession for the past year.
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  8. Mario

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    I feel so sorry for your family. This idea of mercy for the sake of physical health while depriving or restricting the Faithful of essential spiritual graces that Jesus has provided for us, is so way, way, way out of kilter! What is the critical term Jesus used,

    Matthew 23:24 You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

    Lord, renew their spiritual foundation and open their eyes to become not subservient to the government, but obedient to You!

    Lord have Mercy!
  9. PurpleFlower

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    That is devastating for those parishioners.

    I remember when Covid first hit and churches began closing down... I felt such a deep sense of foreboding. I told my husband "A huge spiritual vacuum is being created and something is going to rush in to fill it."

    It turns out that "something" was all the pieces falling into place for the Masonic one world order to rush into control everywhere. Christians all over the world no longer went to Church while pagans were doing their offerings behind closed doors. A terrible balance tipped.

    However, God allowed it. And what He allows can only ever be for the greater good. One thing is I think it has become clearer to Christians just how powerful graces from the sacraments are in countering evil in this world. And we are seeing clearly now which leaders and places are for God and who are against Him. It makes it clearer where to go and who to pray especially hard for protection over.
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  10. AED

    AED Powers

    Exercised holy water--to take a cup of it and drink it and blessed oil under your tongue. His name is Fr Odiongo of Luling Louisiana. Maybe he is still on you tube.
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  11. AED

    AED Powers

    Maryrose I am so sorry to hear of your situation. It must be terribly discouraging. Prayers today.
  12. AED

    AED Powers

    You speak truth.
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  13. HeavenlyHosts

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    Many thanks!
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  14. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Given the circumstances at least it was still available. I am curious how were kids not getting confession if it was still available through appointment?
    Our priest got pretty creative with it and we used a stairwell to remain inside the lines on the rules handed down. Of course, the FSSP parish I attended still had confession before and after Mass but the parish also has two priests available with few exceptions.
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  15. maryrose

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    The offer of an appointment was reluctant. Kids in the parish for first Holy Communion and confirmation would have it arranged through the school No arrangements were forthcoming. We used to have confessions in the church every Saturday as a matter of course also on First Fridays. All these have been discontinued completely. I'm going to approach the next parish to see if they are putting confession on their schedule.
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  17. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

  18. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

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  19. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

  20. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Pope Francis: we planned it all before the conclave

    I could write a post every day at the moment about the confusing and worrying statements and decisions the Pope is making.

    According to this the Pope seems to be labouring under the misapprehension that 1974 is the future.

    These sorts of comments are coming too thick and fast to document presently.
    Tradiones custodes seems to have provided a kind of watershed moment in this papacy which cemented the curious yet constant attacks on "rigidity" and opened the flood gates allowing the Pope to reveal his real mission: the destruction of doctrinal and liturgical continuity in the Catholic Church.

    At the beginning of September, in a radio interview with Spanish radio COPE the Pope made an an under reported comment relating to the discussions which took place between the cardinals before the conclave which elected him. Pope Francis explicitly confirmed that the current reform of the Church is part of an agenda that was programmed and decided before the 2013 election by a small group of cardinals.

    “the reform is what the cardinals wanted from the conclave of March 2013,”
    Pope Francis insists.

    “I did not invent anything, my action since the beginning of the pontificate consists in achieving what we, the cardinals, had requested in the pre-conclave meetings for the future pope: ‘the next pope will have to do this, this and that. And that is what I have started to implement. I think there are still various things to be done, but there is no invention on my part: I obey what was decided at the time.”The pope argues that some of those who supported his election, siding with the most obvious reformers, would not have accepted the full measure of the consequences of their commitment: “perhaps some did not realize the significance of what they were saying, or did not imagine the consequences, as it is true that certain themes are disturbing. But there is no originality on my side in the plan implemented,”
    The pontiff emphasises, stating clearly that the reform which is taking shape “sums up what we cardinals were saying at the time.”

    If one had to define the line which presided over his election, Pope Francis sums it up with the exhortation Evangelii Gaudium, which “takes up what had been expressed by the cardinals.” In an SSPX News article about this radio interview, the society explain that this demonstrates the goal of the Francis Pontificate is to make the pastoral dimension prevail over everything else, and to send doctrine to the dungeons of the magisterium.

    These quite brazen comments, when put with the previous reports of a small group of cardinals deliberately plotting to remove Pope Benedict XVI and replace him with a man who would deliver a progressive agenda adds to a growing body of evidence which completely contravenes the current rules on convening conclaves.

    I can't help but feel unsurprised, as if we have learnt anything about Pope Francis, it's that he only cares about rules when they suit him and disregards them if they oppose him. The rules governing conclaves are laid out in section 81 of Universi Dominici Gregis:

    81. The Cardinal electors shall further abstain from any form of pact, agreement, promise or other commitment of any kind which could oblige them to give or deny their vote to a person or persons. If this were in fact done, even under oath, I decree that such a commitment shall be null and void and that no one shall be bound to observe it; and I hereby impose the penalty of excommunication latae sententiae upon those who violate this prohibition. It is not my intention however to forbid, during the period in which the See is vacant, the exchange of views concerning the election.
    Of course, this means very little unless someone is willing to do something about it and there doesn't seem to be any appetite for that. Pope Francis has been very open in promoting supporters (Grech, Cupich, Tobin, Zanchetta, Paglia, etc etc etc ad nauseam) in a brazenly political fashion and any opposition (eg, the dubia) is simply ignored, or dealt with (Pell, Müller, Sarah, etc).

    What we can see is that despite the opacity of his words, the Pope has a clear agenda to break doctrine and liturgy and change Catholicism from something certain and practical into something vague and meaningless.
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