Medjugorje - "The Great Prophecy" Is Unfolding

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  1. Fatima

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    This is a true statement, but it won't happen until they have waged massive war on Europe. Then comes the Warning. Then comes the consecration to Russia by the Pope and bishops throughout the world. Then comes Russia's conversion. Don't get the cart in front of the horse.
     
  2. at fatima... These are difficult times for those who believe Russia was not consecrated. Since 1984 we have seen the peaceful collapse of Atheist communism.. What more does Putin and Russia need to do to get you to open your eyes.. The rise of faith in Russia is the story of our times..The Blessed Mother said it would happen and it has... The period of peace? It just ended after the EU was awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. The EU Flag - blue and a crown of twelve stars is based on the Blessed Mother....

    Also this just in ...Garabandal seer Chocita is said to have made a statement that if the Pope goes to Russia the "Great Miracle" will apprear to him in Russia

    http://garabandalnews.overblog.com/garabandal-and-russia-breaking-news
     
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  3. SteveD

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    Difficult times? You jest. Putin might persuade but would need to:

    1. Stop murdering his enemies and journalists who disagree with him
    2. Allow free speech and genuinely free elections both centrally and in the regions
    3. Deal with the Russian mafia that is running much of the economy with Putin's quiet approval for 'electoral support'.
    4. Stop interfering in the Ukraine by threats and bribes

    and lots more
     
  4. picadillo

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    But Steve, atheistic communism is alive in the US/West.
     
  5. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

    BINGO... Russia has spreads is communistic error's throughout the world as Our Lady of Fatima said it would. "If men did not listen, Russia would spread its error's 'communism' throughout the world". Communism, via its ugly head 'Russia', has spread its errors everywhere. Next comes Russia's annihilation of countries as Our Lady of Fatima foretold as well. The hedonism US/West took its errors from communism, which is alive and well, expressed via the apostasy and heresy within the Church. This is NOT a condemnation of the people of Russia, it is their atheistic, communistic and masonic heads of the their government that have spread these errors. The mask of this evil ant-Christ will soon to be removed so those with blinders on will see. Now that Russia knows its errors are well imbedded, it can now sit back, suck up to the blind Orthodox leaders, world leaders and our very own clueless US leader, while they mascaraed their next move.....war.
     
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  6. garabandal

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    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
    I think you are suffering from confirmation bias.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
     
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  7. picadillo

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    Best desciption of Fatima events I have read yet:

    Is a "great storm" about to break upon the world? Might we be headed for a "global civil conflict"? Is this part of what many expect as a purification (before the return to goodness)?
    Those are the assertions of a seer named Charles Johnston of Belleville, Illinois -- a former radio talk-show host and political consultant in the Chicago area [see previous story] who claims to have experienced locutions, visions, and apparitions since childhood despite a non-Catholic, fundamentalist rearing.
    We have emphasized, as always we do, that his speculations are offered only for discernment. Scripture tells us never to despise prophecy, but to test it and take what is good. The Vatican will soon be releasing guidelines for use when considering seers, and we will strictly adhere to them. In many cases, questions can be raised about aspects of virtually any "seer." We are especially wary when there is too much specificity, particularly when times and dates are mentioned. We have seen most such prophecies fall by the wayside. Moreover, rare is the prophet whose personal or spiritual life is beyond reproach.
    Johnston asserts that he was informed in visions presented to him by both the Blessed Mother and Archangel Gabriel that the "storm" -- a great global conflict between those of the Judeo-Christian ethic and those who seek to wipe out that ethic -- will break after the death of the Pope. Moreover, he relates this to a fresh interpretation of the Fatima third secret. Whatever the final truth of this perspective, it is intriguing, and according to Johnston, came to him in mystical fashion.
    "I was shown Pope John Paul and was told that he knew what was coming and that he had completely devoted himself to preparing the Church for the storm to come," he maintains. "I saw him at his desk writing furiously and traveling far and wide, but that everything he was doing was to prepare the Church so that she would weather the storm. That was his mission. I was shown the storm would not break in its fullness until he had passed, that this was not a particular grace for him, but the reason was to allow him to completely fulfill his mission at which point he would then constantly intercede for the Church in Heaven."
    Is the Pope the pope of the Fatima secret? Does it revolve around him?
    That secret -- first released to the public on May 13, 2000 -- described a vision that seer Lucia dos Santos had seen in 1917 whereby an angel was ready to torch the world but was drowned out by a great light coming from the Virgin Mary.
    Many have related that image to the danger posed by nuclear war with Russia, a nation that was at the center of the first two Fatima secrets. Indeed, Sister Lucia has been quoted as saying that the consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 1984 prevented just such a war from occurring.
    But Johnston does not believe the secret has fully played out, concurring that thesecret represents the Virgin halting the sword of justice wielded by the angel but implying that this intercession is not yet complete. He "respectfully" differs with the Vatican interpretation of the rest of the secret -- which pictured a "bishop in white" (largely thought to mean Pope John Paul II, who as bishop of Rome wears white) ascending a mountain, "at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark. Before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him."
    While the Vatican has interpreted that image as a symbol of the many priests, bishops, and religious who were martyred under Communism and also considers it a premonition of the 1981 assassination attempt on John Paul II -- which occurred on the Fatima anniversary day of May 13! -- Johnston believes it more directly relates to current crises in the Church and the former broadcaster, who claims visions over the past forty years, (which caused him to convert to Catholicism from fundamentalism), asserts that this interpretation was confirmed through his allegedly mystical experiences.
    "The assassination attempt against John Paul II and its timing identify him as the Pope of Fatima, but it is not the point of this secret," says Johnston. "The ascent up the hill represents this Pope's particular mission. The city which lies half in ruins is Christianity, half of which no longer believes in God, but says Jesus was a good moral teacher. The corpses the Pope meets and prays for on his way are those who, though they breathe, are spiritually dead. The cross at the top of the hill is the end of the Pope's mission on earth. It represents both his triumph and his death to this world. He kneels before it offering his work to Christ. It is after this triumph that the terror begins. It is the body of the Pope's work that the soldiers fire at. That they are in uniform shows that it is an organized effort. These are the legions who have given themselves over to Satan. But the Pope has his legions as well. They are priests, bishops, religious and laity who joined themselves to him and followed him on his way. They will be true champions for Christ as the battle is joined. Prominent among them will be some of the dead souls -- the corpses -- reborn to spiritual life through the Pope's prayers."
    Johnston says the Lord is offended by many things at the current time, "but nothing so much as the general indifference and contempt with which we have treated his mother." Meanwhile, he claims the Blessed Mother has expressed similar pain over the lack of respect for her Son. "In a peculiar way I had been very enthused when the bishops were going to gather in Dallas," he says of the current crisis of Church scandal. "I thought they were about to take up their responsibility and do what needed to be done and return to fidelity. I thought if this was the case, I wouldn't be needed. A couple of weeks before, Our Lady appeared to me, quite kind, but she said, 'Dallas will show you how bad things really are. They will scarcely even acknowledge my Holy Son.' I thought that was absurd -- because there is no case where a group of bishops would gather even if they didn't believe themselves and not couch their answers in the Light of Christ. It's just pro forma. Of course, Dallas came and they mentioned everything but Christ and I felt personally betrayed."
    Was it an authentic apparition? Are such words from the Blessed Virgin and archangel and the Lord legitimate?
    This is for each individual to determine. Johnston sees terrorism, but more than that a general breakdown in the artificial reality and false gods that we now rely upon. He sees wars, great economic problems, a breakdown in technology, and persecution.
    But the storm hardly spells the end of the world, says Johnston; instead, it portends a great moment of the Blessed Mother's intercession. He claims that within the next two decades, all will know of her role.
    As for the Pope: "It is by his fidelity to his mission that the Church -- the whole body of the faithful -- has been prepared to endure the storm."
    [Resources: The Day Will Come, Catholic Prophecy. The Great Divide, True Devotion]
     
  8. Fatima

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    I don't have a problem with any of what is said in the message of Johnston. I don't feel it will take the next two decades to be revealed, but its possible. It seems to me that that after the Warning, all will know Jesus is the second person of the Holy Trinity, all will know that the Catholic Church is the bride of Christ and that Mary is Queen of heaven and all on earth. Joey Lomangino (83 yrs old) will not be around in 2 decades and that is why I think the Warning will be in the next 1-2 years.
     
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  9. picadillo

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    I am with you on the timeline, probably this year, but " no man knows the day nor year".
     
  10. Fatima

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    My only timeline falls in line with the Garabandal message "when communism returns and is at its worst, then will come the Warning". I contend this means Russia will have waged its many wars, including perhaps nuclear war on many countries, along with invading Rome and the Vatican (as per Blessed Elena) and the death of the pope........... then at some close point thereafter comes the Warning. What a grace the Warning will be for the world. It will truly unit all faithful into the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, while leaving all who reject this grace to wage war along with the anti-Christ on the remnant at some point thereafter.
     
  11. This is an unbelievable article about Russia and faith.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...ganda-law-putin-american-right_n_4705489.html

    Vladimir Putin's Anti-Gay Propaganda Law Finds Support Among America's Religious And Social Conservatives

    In a recent attack on the White House, conservative political commentator Pat Buchanan paraphrased Ronald Reagan by suggesting "Barack Obama's America" had taken the place of the Soviet Union as the world's "evil empire". It was an appraisal that echoed a speech given by Vladimir Putin in mid-December, in which the Russian leader said that over the past twenty years the US and the erstwhile communist state had switched roles.

    For many on America's Christian right, the Cold War represented more than a bi-polar nuclear stand-off between two superpowers but the bleeding edge of a cosmic battle between the faithful (America) and the Godless (the Soviets). Yet more than two decades after the end of the Soviet experiment, American social conservatives are now looking to Moscow as the guardian of the Christian moral compass.
     
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  12. picadillo

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    I don't think there is an argument here.
     
  13. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

    Okay, you got me sold now. I'm moving to Russia!! They is our only hope. Oh, wait. Did our Lady of Fatima say it was Russia or Portugal that would hold on to the faith? Guess I got that mixed up.

    Really, if anyone is fooled about the mask that Putin is putting on, I would be very conserned that you will fall for Satan's many other deceits that he has in store for us forthcoming. The west having bought into masonry and communism does not remove Russia, the founder of communism, from its evilness. It's not an either/or thing. We are all being corupted by Russia's errors. Only Portugal will hold on to the faith when the apsotasy is at its fullness. Many will believe the anti-Christ to come, when he literally takes dead bodies of evil persons and resurrects them in his very own personage to perform his 'miracles'. Do not be fooled by trickery, whether from Putin, Satan or any of his other puppetts.
     
  14. What I have learned over the past few years is that most Americans know the heart of Vladimir Putin (KGB, thug, commie, etc) but don't know the names of their own US Senators. I do know that Putin kisses icons of the Blessed Mother - what that means I don't know - I just know he does it. We are all experts when it comes to Russian politics. (Corruption, lawlessness, thug)

    George Bush senior was CIA and is a great gentleman. His son W , unnecessarily invaded Iraq leaving behind an epic human tragedy. 2013 over 8,000 civilians died in sectarian violence. Before Bush went into Iraq there were 1.5 million Christians now there are 300,000 and nobody in the United States cares... Obama and the US was set to bomb Syria before Putin stepped in with a plan to eliminate the chemical weapons.. Putin is the only major world leader speaking out about Christian persecutions in the Middle East.

    So why is Putin a thug and Bush a good Ole boy aw shucks American?

    To be clear Putin could be a bad guy. .. It has been said that Russia could be the "instrument" of a "chastisement" which leaves the door open to Russia's righteousness. I dont know the true heart of Russsia ..But what I do know is Russia will play a role in the future. Our Lady has told us.

    One small thing happened a couple of days ago..The headline was "Oscar Winner Pens Letter Accusing Academy of Christian 'Bigotry' in Song Flap" Hollywood academy took back an academy award nomination once it was discovered the song was "Christian" There is a very serious war against Christianity going on in this country.
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oscar-winner-pens-letter-accusing-676255
     
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  15. Eamonn

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    At the minute Putin is very busy with all things conserning the Winter Olympic's. This is all part of his legacy and he wants this to be seen as a personal triumph for his leadership. So to stop any reason for
    a boycott he has been releasing political prisoners, he is being nice to Russia's neighbours, he has even
    told homosexual competitors at the Winter Olympics that they are welcome as long as they leave the childern alone. I think once the Olympics are over we will all see the true face of President Putin,
    especially the people of the Ukraine and anyone else who dos not agree with his personal visions
    for Russia and its surrounding neighbours. I think Putin sees Russia as needing to be saved from the
    evils of the west and i think he sees himself as its saviour to what extent i dont know yet.
     
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  16. Could not agree with you more...
     
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  17. For the Garabandal folks.. what do you make of this
    One other thing I learned today ... ( i got an facebook message) about Garabandal. I thought I would share this information. Visionary Chochita said that the "Great Miracle" would occur when the Pope goes to Russia.. So hold on to your hat if Pope Francis ever goes to Russia
    http://garabandalnews.overblog.com/garabandal-and-russia-breaking-news
     
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  19. picadillo

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    Fatima wrote: " Only Portugal will hold on to the faith when the apsotasy is at its fullness."

    This is what Our Lady of Fatima said. However, with a fertility rate of 1.35, the problem I am having is in the interpretation of these messages. What do they really mean? What did Our Lady mean by this statement considering the fertility rate. The "errors of Russia" or Russia itself? Who has the definitive explanation for these messages ? I know I don't know what they mean.
     
  20. the fertility rates in Russia vs USA [​IMG]
     
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