I'm in Berkshire, a county in the South of England. There are caves in the West Country, Cheddar Gorge is a famous cheese area, where the cheese is aged in the caves. It's very yummy.
Wow! I'm such a map person, I had to look this one up. This isn't just a cave this is like a Cheddar Disneyland! My gosh I've never seen anything like this. What an amazing place to visit and on top of it you get lovely cheddar. That puts our Wisconsin to shame.
I'll try to tell you what I know Servant. I do reserve the right to keep this little boy's life private right now until his parents decide otherwise. I am not Louise. I do know her however and she is a wonderful truth filled person. Josephat was born in Canada. He currently lives there. I know they went to Marmora today and I will speak with him tomorrow. I know 100% his parents do not coach him. I've spent time with them and they are humble and very gifted themselves and have a large family. Josephat is a normal 8 year old boy. He is 9 now, as the 12th was his birthday. May 12. Yes, I know the email is written by Louise's perspective. It is now all over the internet. She was there and was a witness. Josephat told me the vision he had about Pope John Paul II on the hill himself. I first heard it approx. 6 wks. ago and then again when I went to visit him at the end of April. Bishop Stephen is his Bishop. I asked his mother who Bishop Stephen was. Josephat was standing there. They know their own Bishop. They know him very well. I added Ukrainian Catholic Bishop of Toronto. Bishop Stephen is the Bishop of the Eparchy (Diocese) of Toronto and all of Eastern Canada. I was there on Dec. 1st and spent the weekend with Josephat and his family and many others. I honestly do not know the message of Dec. 1st. I know that sounds weird, but I will ask him tomorrow when I talk to him and his mom. I do know that there was nothing mentioned about the mountain that he later saw in the vision of PJII. Marmora 'mountain' and the Ukrainian 'mountain' are two different places. Although, personally I think symbolically they are the same. I do know Ukraine is being chosen for something very very special in God's plan. I think I know who you are. We probably know each other....lol Anyway, I had been to Marmora several times before. The first time was with Josyp Terelya and Bishop Danylak and Veronica Garcia and several others years ago. I find it to be a peaceful place. On Dec. 1st. it was a huge crowd. Many buses and the people were of so many races and that is wonderful. Its hard to navigate people; its like herding sheep. Those who organize--or who try---deserve some kudos. Seriously, many times prayerful pilgrims have sharp elbows and are very pushy. I helped Bishop Danylak most of the time. He and Bishop Lacey heard confessions for a little while until it was time to go up the hill. At one of the stations our Lady and Lord, through Josephat asked everyone to put their rosaries on the rocks (there are many large rocks) and to kneel down for a blessing. Our Lady asked Bishop Danylak later to give everyone there a blessing also. Everyone knelt, including Bishop Lacey, a retired RC bishop from Toronto area. Fr. Heffernan (I had not seen him since Denver 1990's) other priests and deacons. I was most impressed by the Divine Liturgy offered at the local Church. Bishop Danylak and many priests officiated. I was so moved at the reverence. It was standing room only at the Church. People were outside the doors because it was overflowing. It reminded me of Medjugorje. After the Holy Mass, the Bishop blessed everyone individually with the Chalice because our Lady asked him to through Josephat (i think). Everyone could and would have stayed there for hours and hours. It was a joyfilled day. Personally, I think that the gifts of grace were the 'message of the day'. It was FILLED WITH GRACE AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. I know people expected more. I will ask Josephat about it because I know I thought to myself, well, there was no big message, just the message of the HOLY SPIRIT IS ALIVE AND WELL AND HERE. That was plenty for me------ BUT I do know what you mean by people 'expecting a big message'. After the last one, it was kinda a puff of smoke eh? Was it possible it was hyped up to much? I don't know. I'm not a PR person, just a pilgrim and a friend and a witness. If there is a message and Josephat tells me, I will ask his mother and I will post it here. I have nothing to hide. As for the any other visionary. He has been introduced to many people and Marmora is very special; but his mission seems to be similar to mine. It has something to do with Ukraine and the world. The Union of the Apostolic Churches.
Thank you, MS7 and Servent for the interesting discusssion... Please keep the information coming as it aids in all of our discernment. The fact that Marmora is relatively close to Buffalo has me especially intrigued. I've also been thinking a bit about the vision MS7's priest friend experienced involving water and the Toronto/Buffalo region (which was mentioned in another thread, I think the one about the miraculous church of the angels in the Ukraine). As most know, Niagara Falls is nearby. One of the things that makes Niagara Falls so dramatic is the escarpment that runs along the south western edge of Lake Ontario- that is what creates the significant drop that adds to the awesome beauty of the Falls. Well, because of that escarpment, most of western NY is actually 300-400 feet more above sea level than Toronto and the other areas on the north/western edge of Lake Ontario. So, perhaps the vision refers to the area "under" the escarpment being inundated with water (and not Buffalo or western NY)? Another thing that make me think that perhaps that is true is that there is a wonderful and holy shrine to Our Lady of Fatima in Youngstown, NY, which is on top of the escarpment (about 30 minutes north of Buffalo). I may be mistaken, but I think it is the national shrine to Our Lady of Fatima. Anyway, I would be surprised if God would allow such a place to be flooded/destroyed. In fact, I have always thought that in the troubled times ahead, that shrine in particular, would be a beacon of hope... Just some thoughts. Peace to all. May God's will be done in all things!!
I spoke to Josephat's mom and she said that Josephat has never been silenced by any priest or Bishop. That must be rumor. She was happy to give me permission to post the message of Dec. 1st and May 13,2012. I asked her if the 'big message' of Dec. 1st was blown out of proportion. She said , "No, it wasn't blown out of proportion. The 'message' of Dec. 1st was the presence of the Jesus Christ and our Blessed Mother. Our Lady asked everyone to look at the spinning sun. Many, many people saw the Blessed Mother in the spinning sun and some saw her and St. Joseph holding the child Jesus. Not one person's eyes were harmed. Our Lady spoke to each person's heart if they were open. The message was 'God is with us and loves us.' Our Lady wanted to show the people that she really wanted them to PRAY! That is why she asked Bishop Danylak to bless the crowd with Holy water and then had everyone put their rosaries on the rocks for Jesus to bless them. Our Lady asked that people EVEN NOW to OPEN THEIR HEARTS receive HER MESSAGES AND LIVE IT. How much more do we need? THAT IS THE ONLY BIG MESSAGE THERE IS. END OF STORY.... May 13th 2012- Feast of our Lady of Fatima Josephat didn't see Jesus or Mary, he heard their voices and had a vision. They desired that Josephat bless the people with the holy ground. Jesus said to tell the people, "Do not worry, I am with you." The vision he saw was this: "He saw a large boulder at the 14th station. Jesus said, that this boulder will be an altar. On Holy ground at the 14th station will be a Church. The underground caves will be there. They will not be made with human hands. "
13 July 2012--Marmora , Canada Josephat has said our Lady appeared and said she would like a statue of her with her Immaculate Heart exposed and a statue of Jesus of the Divine Mercy put at the 14th Station of the Cross. She said also that the Cross which was taken down (by others) should be put back up.
Will Americans be able to travel there as well depending on what is going on in the world at the time?
I do not understand your post. Surely there could be another side to this - that the big message could be in several parts? If so, then it is not necessary to believe anyone is being misled or misleading others MS7 has posted what what stated to her. All of that may be true. You have stated that Bishop Danylak has requested that the message not be distributed. That might also be true. However the message might have been distributed despite the Bishop's request and might consist of what MS7 has posted. It really comes down to belief and, as others have stated, discernment is vital. I am not at all convinced that anyone who may be a "false" prophet is against God. Somewhere I am sure Our Lord said that if they are not against him they are for him.
