When you get the chance, could you please give your opinion on when you think this infiltration first took place according to your research? Thank you,..
Did you ever here the story of a Jesuit priest who was sent into Soviet Russia back in the 1930's? He was annointed an Eastern Rite Bishop by the Pope and sent to cater to the persecuted Church there. He was warned to go alone and tell no one his buiness. But his brother approached and joined him. It turned out the brother was a KGB agent and through his brother they broght everyone down, caught or killed. The COmmunist brother had done a deal and the Bishop brother retunred to Rome, but because of his disobedience was sent to a monastery to live out his penance for the rest of his life. I have no idea if this is true or not, i read it many years ago....
Wow I didn Wow,....I didn't realize the CPUSA went back to the 1930's,... their agenda included not only the Church,..but the whole world,...the communist manifesto. Thank you for your answer
Interesting...I thought it was the Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita--written up during the 1700's and leaked during the 1800's and when Pope Leo XIII got ahold of it , he made it public, then he had the vision of God and Satan and penned the prayer to St. Michael. God then gave us for the 20th Century a saintly polish pope for the beginning of the 20th Century, and a Saintly Polish Pope for the end of the 20th Century.... I had never heard about William Brown. Thanks for the info!
Hi Mark, Could you kind of give a timeline of the infiltration and it's negetive affects on the Church, and was it done through freemasonry?...No hurry,...when you get the chance,..Thanks
When I read the following testimony,..it made me think about the resistance on the part of many Bishops to allow acess to the Latin Mass in many places. Prompting Pope Benedict to write the Moto Proprio,..Summorum Pontificum,..in which he chastized Bishops for not allowing the Latin Mass which was never abrigated. The "Prophecy" of Bella Dodd by Christopher A. Ferrara In light of the current confusion and moral scandal in the Church, it would be well to consider a neglected bit of recent Church history: the public testimony of Bella Dodd, who served as legal counsel to the Communist Party in the United States until her conversion to Catholicism, after which she spent the rest of her life atoning for her role in the communist infiltration of the Catholic Church. An article in Christian Order magazine (November 2000) recounts how Dodd and her associate, Douglas Hyde, revealed the plan for communist subversion of the Church:Ex-Communist and celebrated convert Douglas Hyde revealed long ago that in the 1930s the Communist leadership issued a worldwide directive about infiltrating the Catholic Church. While in the early 1950s, Mrs. Bella Dodd was also providing detailed explanations of the Communist subversion of the Church. Speaking as a former high ranking official of the American Communist Party, Mrs. Dodd said: "In the 1930s we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within." The idea was for these men to be ordained and progress to positions of influence and authority as Monsignors and Bishops. A dozen years before Vatican II she stated that: "Right now they are in the highest places in the Church" — where they were working to bring about change in order to weaken the Church's effectiveness against Communism. She also said that these changes would be so drastic that "you will not recognise the Catholic Church." Dodd gave voluminous testimony on communist infiltration of Church and state before the House UnAmerican Activities Committee in the 1950s. In a lecture at Fordham University during that time, Dodd unveiled what would seem to be an uncanny prophecy of future chaos in the Church. The lecture was attended by a monk whose account of the talk is presented in Christian Order: I listened to that woman for four hours and she had my hair standing on end. Everything she said has been fulfilled to the letter. You would think she was the world's greatest prophet, but she was no prophet. She was merely exposing the step-by-step battle plan of Communist subversion of the Catholic Church. She explained that of all the world's religions, the Catholic Church was the only one feared by the Communists, for it was its only effective opponent. The whole idea was to destroy, not the institution of the Church, but rather the Faith of the people, and even use the institution of the Church, if possible, to destroy the Faith through the promotion of a pseudo-religion: something that resembled Catholicism but was not the real thing. Once the Faith was destroyed, she explained that there would be a guilt complex introduced into the Church…. to label the ‘Church of the past’ as being oppressive, authoritarian, full of prejudices, arrogant in claiming to be the sole possessor of truth, and responsible for the divisions of religious bodies throughout the centuries. This would be necessary in order to shame Church leaders into an ‘openness to the world,’ and to a more flexible attitude toward all religions and philosophies. The Communists would then exploit this openness in order to undermine the Church. Does any of this sound familiar? Unless you have been comatose since Vatican II, you would be aware that Bella Dodd was describing the state of the Catholic Church today. Today, post-conciliar churchmen wallow in guilt over the Church’s "intolerant" past, make public
This is very facinating,.but how do you know Paul Vl believed Bugnini to be a Freemason? Would that not have obligated this Pope to remove Bugnini? I will have to study up on the Alta Vendita which I never heard of. http://www.stolaf.edu/multimedia/play/?c=1679 This is a Protestant communion service,....I would suggest forwarding the track halfway to get to the actual communion service,...and once you watch it,..ask yourself how much different it compares to the Novus Ordo Mass. If Bugninis goal was to Protestanize the Catholic Mass,..I would say he succeded well.
“We must strip from our Catholic prayers and from the Catholic liturgy everything which can be the shadow of a stumbling block for our separated brethren that is for the Prostestants.” - Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, main author of the New Mass, L’Osservatore Romano, March 19, 1965 True to his word, Fr. Bugnini immediately employed the services of six Protestant ministers to assist him in the creation of a new liturgy for the Catholic Church. Assessing what these Protestant ministers managed to pull off, Professor Peter L. Berger, a Lutheran sociologist, declared: “If a thoroughly malicious sociologist, bent on injuring the Catholic community as much as possible had been an adviser to the Church, he could hardly have done a better job.”
'Never just trust anyone you meet on the internet'. No Mark that's too cynical and defencive for me. I have met very good people on the internet , many of them on this forum and on a few occasions I have had a chance to meet them in 'real' life confriming the high opinion and warm feelings I had towards them on the net. If the net was truly a place where we could trust no one then the internet is a place to stay firmly away from. I do not see encountering people on the net as too far a remove from meeting people in 'real' life. The souls light shines through. If not at once then over time. This forum is a good example of this. I think the Holy Spirit leads and guides us on the net as much as anywhere. Love means taking risks, on the net as in 'real' life itself. No risks, no love. No relationships.... 'To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, but risk must be taken because the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing. Ralph W Sockman
Thanks for posting your research here, Mark. It is informative and interesting. I was unaware of much of this.
Thanks for you reply I will look into it,...There is always so much to learn. We have a rich history of Tradition that has been passed down to us in our beloved Church. Unfortunately I feel in many repects the Church has been robbed of its heritage. I have more questions for you maybe when I have time tommorow,...God Bless..
That IS interesting. Because I believe it is said that Pope Benedict XVI "reached out the hands" of the Catholic Church to help the Anglicans who were "swimming across the Tiber", and here in North America I think the Church established a new diocese (covering the entire continent) solely for those coming from the Anglican charism into the Catholic Church. I heard a radio interview of one of the new priests (married, former Anglican priest), whose father is also a priest now in the Catholic Church. I thought I heard him say they will soon have 96 priests in this North American diocese, and the "seat" is in Texas. Maybe an example of God making all things work to His Good... Anyone know the proper details? I just caught the radio interview last year.
