Works for me! I didn't really mean to ask her the question I asked her in my last post, just made a off-the-cuff statement that I would like to ask her....at some point.....when she comes on haha
Fatima, I have questions too,lol. I am especially happy because in the brief messages we've exchange, she told me she is a believer in Garabandal, and that the experiences of the girls were similar to hers and that convinces her she was not imaging it (or going crazy,lol ).
Yes indeed my heart was on fire when I read them. I am very happy. I wish I could be in the coffee shop with Linda and Glenn when they meet.
Well, I must have ESP (not ESPN), because I struggle at times trying to imagine how God can love me as much as I love him, because of my sinfulness. I talked to Him yesterday about this and again in Mass, confession and rosary this morning. Lo and behold, I read her message to day and I swear God was talking to me..... Settle down your heart, Dear Child...........Little Child, do not fret so...............Dear Child, have faith in Me, for I can forgive all of your sins and Love you so deeply. Do not insult your Lord God by disbelieving in My Love for you...........................Oh Beloved Child, forgive yourself as I forgive you and trust in My Great Love. Precious you are, know this to your very core. I am for you............Drink from the blood of My Son’s Love and know peace, Child,and forgiveness and clarity and beauty and the purity of your life lived for Me. Do not judge yourselves, for only I am judge and thus can judge. You cannot accept the job, the Godly job, that is only Mine.
Well New York is the 33rd Irish County, I could maybe cycle. Noscowicz is an old Irish name. As is O'Bama.
Powerfull messages. I'm a bit awe struck. Oh My Children, Love your brothers and sisters. Set yourselves above or beyond the wicked hands of hatred and petty anger. Forgive always. Pray to Me for strength. Look no more to the World for fulfillment. My Love is yours to share.
I do not understand these words from her September 7th message. I have gone to the Catechism of the Catholic Church and read on this article of our creed, yet this is not defined there in anything close to this laguage. Can anyone else expand on this message I have highlighted in red and make sense of them? "Oh Children, His death was an evil and discourteous lie. [Meaning Christ can never die.] He was laid bare and crucified and humiliated amongst men. See His absolute pain and Glory. He too [also]went to hell and fought the evil one with no sword but His great holiness. You know of His mortal pains and Sacrifice. You cannot know or understand the further greatness or power or Love or generosity of His second and immortal sacrifice of enduring darkness for an eternity of three days. Fathom this, Children, in your Beautiful yet limited minds".
Fatima quoted...You know of His mortal pains and Sacrifice. You cannot know or understand the further greatness or power or Love or generosity of His second and immortal sacrifice of enduring darkness for an eternity of three days. Fathom this, Children, in your Beautiful yet limited minds". I would like to see this explained a little clearer also. The Church teaches of no second immortal sacrifice.[we must keep in mind any true locution/visionary will confirm our faith,not confuse it.]
Perhaps as Linda as indicated in her blog, the full essence of what she hears is not easily captured and maybe she will have the time to explain. This is why she she uses "or" as she says her understandings of what is being said is limited. In any case, I think reading the Catechism about Jesus' descent into Hell may be helpful. PART ONE THE PROFESSION OF FAITH SECTION TWO THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH CHAPTER TWO I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY SON OF GOD ARTICLE 5 "HE DESCENDED INTO HELL. ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN" 631 Jesus "descended into the lower parts of the earth. He who descended is he who also ascended far above all the heavens."476 The Apostles' Creed confesses in the same article Christ's descent into hell and his Resurrection from the dead on the third day, because in his Passover it was precisely out of the depths of death that he made life spring forth: Christ, that Morning Star, who came back from the dead, and shed his peaceful light on all mankind, your Son who lives and reigns for ever and ever. Amen.477 Paragraph 1. Christ Descended into Hell 632 The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was "raised from the dead" presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection.478 This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ's descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead. But he descended there as Savior, proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.479 633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, "hell" - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek - because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God.480 Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into "Abraham's bosom":481 "It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell."482 Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.483 634 "The gospel was preached even to the dead."484 The descent into hell brings the Gospel message of salvation to complete fulfilment. This is the last phase of Jesus' messianic mission, a phase which is condensed in time but vast in its real significance: the spread of Christ's redemptive work to all men of all times and all places, for all who are saved have been made sharers in the redemption. 635 Christ went down into the depths of death so that "the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live."485 Jesus, "the Author of life", by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage."486 Henceforth the risen Christ holds "the keys of Death and Hades", so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."487 Today a great silence reigns on earth, a great silence and a great stillness. A great silence because the King is asleep. The earth trembled and is still because God has fallen asleep in the flesh and he has raised up all who have slept ever since the world began. . . He has gone to search for Adam, our first father, as for a lost sheep. Greatly desiring to visit those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, he has gone to free from sorrow Adam in his bonds and Eve, captive with him - He who is both their God and the son of Eve. . . "I am your God, who for your sake have become your son. . . I order you, O sleeper, to awake. I did not create you to be a prisoner in hell. Rise from the dead, for I am the life of the dead."488 IN BRIEF 636 By the expression "He descended into hell", the Apostles' Creed confesses that Jesus did really die and through his death for us conquered death and the devil "who has the power of death" (Heb 2:14). 637 In his human soul united to his divine person, the dead Christ went down to the realm of the dead. He opened heaven's gates for the just who had gone before him. 476 Eph 4:9-10. 477 Roman Missal, Easter Vigil 18, Exsultet. 478 Acts 3:15; Rom 8:11; 1 Cor 15:20; cf. Heb 13:20. 479 Cf. 1 Pet 3:18-19. 480 Cf. Phil 2:10; Acts 2:24; Rev 1:18; Eph 4:9; Pss 6:6; 88:11-13. 481 Cf. Ps 89:49; 1 Sam 28:19; Ezek 32:17-32; Lk 16:22-26. 482 Roman Catechism I, 6, 3. 483 Cf. Council of Rome (745): DS 587; Benedict XII, Cum dudum (1341): DS 1011; Clement VI, Super quibusdam (1351): DS 1077; Council of Toledo IV (625): DS 485; Mt 27:52-53. 484 1 Pet 4:6. 485 Jn 5:25; cf. Mt 12:40; Rom 10:7; Eph 4:9. 486 Heb 2:14-15; cf. Acts 3:15. 487 Rev 1:18; Phil 2:10. 488 Ancient Homily for Holy Saturday: PG 43, 440A, 452C; LH, Holy Saturday, OR. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a5p1.htm
Thanks, Miker. We are so blessed to have the Catechism as a reference!!! That phrase in the creed always gives me a chill: "He descended into hell." What He did during that three days is a mystery to us.
I think these are great mysteries and many of the saints like Aquinas have tried to explain. In addition to the Catechism, maybe these writings are helpful.... http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4052.htm
Padraig, This is Phillip who joined the forum several months ago. In an unsuccessful attempt to force myself to stop spending so much time online I scrambled my Mother of God password and email address so I can’t log in and post. That hasn’t stopped me from spending too much time reading and I am concerned by something I read on the thread “Long Island, New York, Visionary” and now I wish I could post so I am sending this message instead. Fatima posted this supposed locution from the Long Island visionary: "Oh Children, His death was an evil and discourteous lie. [Meaning Christ can never die.] He was laid bare and crucified and humiliated amongst men. See His absolute pain and Glory. He too [also]went to hell and fought the evil one with no sword but His great holiness. You know of His mortal pains and Sacrifice. You cannot know or understand the further greatness or power or Love or generosity of His second and immortal sacrifice of enduring darkness for an eternity of three days. Fathom this, Children, in your Beautiful yet limited minds". I am not a trained theologian and only a recent convert to Catholicism but this raises major theological red flags for me. “His death was an evil and discourteous lie” – No! Christ truly died. Both the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed explicitly state so. In fact on of the earliest heresies the Catholic Church had to fight against was the gnostic belief that since Christ was divine he could not have really died. But the apostolic tradition taught that the Son of God truly assumed a human nature, and all that entails, and so we could in truth say that the Son of God died on the cross. “he died and was buried” “He too went to hell and fought with the evil one with no sword but with his great holiness” – if this is referring to the part of the creed that states that Christ “descended into hell” then it too is theologically problematic. As the Catechism clearly explains, the “hell” this is referring to is the greek “hades” or abode of the dead and the tradition of the church, both east and west, is that Jesus descended as the conqueror of death and freed the righteous dead: Adam, Eve, Abraham, etc. This descent was not to the hell of the damned to fight Satan, that victory was already won on the cross (hence Jesus saying “it is finished!”) “His second and immortal sacrifice of enduring darkness for an eternity of three days” – I’m not aware of anything like this in the Church’s tradition and it goes against the consistent tradition of the cross being the fulfillment of Christ’s sacrifice for us. It also goes against the consistent tradition of Christ descending as a conquering hero into Hades to liberating the righteous prophets. Christ wasn’t alone enduring darkness for three days. He was preaching the good news to those who in their earthly lives had looked forward to his birth. So in my opinion there are serious theological problems with those messages as they are written, serious enough that I personally will not be reading them further. One other thing that caught my attention as I browsed through them were the repeated references to Pope Benedict as being greatly beloved and how we should pray for him. I only noticed one brief “pray for Francis”. Now I love Benedict and as a bookish and introverted type myself I have more of a natural affinity for him than for Pope Francis. But Francis is the one who now bears the great burden of leading the universal church and is the one who especially need our prayers and the graces they bring. It just struck me as a somewhat subtle way of making Francis’ papacy seem less respectable or beloved than Benedict’s, kind of like a Maria Divine Mercy lite. Well, those are my thoughts for what they are worth. Keep up the good fight! Regards, Phillip
Sigh. Looks like another falling star. But Linda is welcome to come on and explain these theological contraditions on the forum if she likes. But I have to say it would be with the greatest difficulty.
Thanks for the imput Philip. I'm no theologian but I am curious about this: One other thing that caught my attention as I browsed through them were the repeated references to Pope Benedict as being greatly beloved and how we should pray for him. I only noticed one brief “pray for Francis”. Now I love Benedict and as a bookish and introverted type myself I have more of a natural affinity for him than for Pope Francis. But Francis is the one who now bears the great burden of leading the universal church and is the one who especially need our prayers and the graces they bring. It just struck me as a somewhat subtle way of making Francis’ papacy seem less respectable or beloved than Benedict’s, kind of like a Maria Divine Mercy lite. Well, those are my thoughts for what they are worth. Keep up the good fight! Regards, Phillip
Hello Everybody, My name is Linda Noskewicz. Thank you so much for allowing me to share God's messages. Everyone has been very kind. It is past my bedtime (9:51 lool) so if I have typos, forgive me. I see there are many questions about the messages and I think that is good. I think it is good to question everything during these days when we are told that 'false prophets' will abound. I hope and pray I am not being used to be one of them. God reassures me often, but I am only a weak human so I ask you for understanding. Where to start....(also, if I get names mixed up, forgive me) - I am so excited to be here! I will start with Fatima's comments. To re-quote: I do not understand these words from her September 7th message. I have gone to the Catechism of the Catholic Church and read on this article of our creed, yet this is not defined there in anything close to this laguage. Can anyone else expand on this message I have highlighted in red and make sense of them? "Oh Children, His death was an evil and discourteous lie. [Meaning Christ can never die.] He was laid bare and crucified and humiliated amongst men. See His absolute pain and Glory. He too [also]went to hell and fought the evil one with no sword but His great holiness. You know of His mortal pains and Sacrifice. You cannot know or understand the further greatness or power or Love or generosity of His second and immortal sacrifice of enduring darkness for an eternity of three days. Fathom this, Children, in your Beautiful yet limited minds".Fatima, I will admit readily that I am not familiar at all with the Catholic Catechism. Everything I hear and write is "raw." I also hear it through human ears. I was kind of confused when God said that Jesus' death was an evil and discourteous lie. And I probably should have said more about how He explained it to me. He basically said, yes, His Son died as we know death - he was tortured and killed. But evil tries to convince some people that Christ no longer exists. That He is indeed dead (or gone or no longer exists or never did). So He calls this a lie. His Son lives! In fact, Jesus's existence and power are beyond anything that we can understand. His eternal life is wondrous and beautiful and powerful! As for the question of hell....I think He said Jesus was tested in hell?? Like, in addition to going through the pain of torture here on earth, He also had to endure the torture of the devil and his lies for three days. My understanding is that it was during the three days between the day He died by Crucifixion and before He rose again. Like I said, I do not know the Catechism (I know, that is horrible, and I should study more). So Jesus not only went through mortal pains like a human being (or a mortal), he also went through torture and pain in the "immortal" world. Does that make sense?? That is the best way I can explain it the way I understood it. I can only say it the way I understand things. I know there will be times that I will be wrong. I have been wrong before because I was arrogant enough to try interpreting what I was told. The page on discernment that is referenced on the site was the answer to all of that. I went through a really rough time trying to figure out if I was just plain nuts or hearing things wrong or letting my pride get in the way. What I learned was that in the past, there have been truly holy prophets or visionaries (I have no idea what to call myself because I am just me), who have gotten messages wrong too - like Joan of Arc. It sort of calmed my fears. God is working with a simple, dense, ridiculous dingbat. Why He decided to that instead of going for someone smarter and more willing to do the job...??? I don't know. I do know that I am happier. I also know that I am begging all of you for prayers. The other thing that was mentioned was the emphasis on Pope (previous) Benedict and much less so on Francis. That is a curiosity to me too. He has always asked me to pray for Benedict - I think as far back as October. When God mentions Benedict, there is a feeling of such love and indulgence. He even requested a special day of prayer for Benedict in July. I have no idea why. He has mentioned Pope Francis once - maybe twice. Maybe Benedict needs more prayer?? I don't know, but I have also wondered about that. Well, I hope that answers your questions. I know some of it may not make sense. A lot confuses me, especially because I am not knowledgeable about dogma etc. But I have seen such beautiful miracles. I wish each one of you could be with me to experience them! If you look at the little picture I am using, that is from one of the miracles. It is a lot to explain, but it is on the website. You can read it there and see more pictures. I understand if you do not believe a word I say. Really, I truly do. In July of 2012, if someone had told me the same thing, I would've run. I used to work in "corporate America" in New York. Logical, money-oriented, all about the C-level goals. But Lord knows, I am sooooo happy now. More happy than I thought I would ever be! So, please, feel free to ask questions and I will answer to the best of my ability. Also, please pray for me. I am always worried that I might get attacked from the outside. It has happened before and perhaps one day I will share that. It was very detrimental and it is still very close to my heart, so right now is not the time. I will say I'm very open (almost to a fault) and my husband is completely against all of this (so pray for him). Also, thank you so much for your help. All of you. You have no idea what your help in spreading His Word has meant. Everything happens in His time and according to His will, and I sincerely believe that contacting your Mother of God group was a blessing. So now that I am (I think) familiar with this forum, please ask me what you will. It also helps me. You will also see how sometimes God reprimands me...it is embarrassing, but I figure it helps others. Alright, I tend to be verbose, so I'd better stop here. I will be meeting Glenn on Wednesday. I know all of you are very hopeful about these messages. Pray about them. Pray for discernment. You do not have to believe me. But if you look at the messages and their consistency, you will see that God is asking us to love each other, to pray, and above all else, to love Him. In addition, go to confession as often as possible and take communion. And don't judge each other. He says that is His job. That is the best way I can consolidate what He has said. But His words are so much more loving. Okay, I'll stop here. Remember, God blesses! Linda Noskewicz
