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Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by mothersuperior7, Apr 27, 2013.

  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Thanks , Cathy. Insightful and prayerful. I was thinking on this and I suppose of the Esau's change their minds they can also get the blessing.
     
  2. kathy k

    kathy k Guest

    New messages up:
    Jun09
    1. I Will Reveal the Deepest Secrets

    The Secrets of Mary’s Heart
    Mary
    I will reveal the deepest secrets of my motherly heart, those that lie in the deep recesses. These are my joys and my sorrows. I reveal them so that all my children can know my heart and share my secrets. In this way, our hearts will be joined together. The more they ponder these secrets, the more they will share in my joys and my sorrows and the closer our hearts will be joined.
    This is my purpose. I must have the hearts of my children joined closely and firmly to my heart. I bring about this special union by a mutual sharing. I already know their joys and sorrows. Now, they will have an opportunity to know mine. How great will be the union of our hearts if they treasure this gift.
    Jun10
    2. A Path Into Mary’s Heart

    The Secrets of Mary’s Heart
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    Mary
    When I appear to visionaries around the world, I reveal to them many secrets of my heart. In this way, I bind them to myself and make them my special friends. They must be faithful to me, often in the midst of great persecution or misunderstandings. By revealing the secrets of my heart, I draw them so close to myself that they are able to be faithful to me, even in the trials that inevitably come.
    I will now use this same method to draw all the world close to myself. I will reveal my deepest secrets, my hopes, joys and sorrows. If people listen attentively and take my secrets into their hearts, they will walk a straight path into my heart and there I will keep them safe.
    Jun11
    3. Mary’s Emotions

    The Secrets of Mary’s Heart
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    Mary
    In sharing my secrets, I will begin with what is clear and obvious. These secrets are on the surface of my heart. Later, I will take you into the deeper secrets, in the very recesses of my heart. I will feed you in this way so you gain a taste and great hunger. Your desires to know me will grow and our friendship will increase.
    The first truth is that I have feelings and emotions. I grow joyful and I experience sorrow. All of this will continue until the end of time, when all the saints will be complete and the place of the fallen angels will be filled. Until then, I am a mother bringing forth my children.
    Just as a good earthly mother, I worry about my children. I seek earthly blessings for them, all that they need to remain on the path to heaven. Above all, I seek their eternal salvation and I am always interceding and intervening so that every soul gains eternal life. Earthly and heavenly blessings are the focus of my feelings and emotions.
    Jun12
    4. God’s Will

    The Secrets of Mary’s Heart
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    Mary
    My first secret is so obvious. I have the heart of a mother. I am bonded to my children just as their earthly mother who carried them for nine months and nursed them at her breasts. I am protective, always watching out for their good. I experience both joys and sorrows as I see the events unfold.
    But, I am different from earthly mothers because I see God’s plan perfectly, what he chooses for each person. I rejoice when the person does God’s will and I sorrow when he does not. I always intervene to bring about God’s will and I lead all along that same path. This is the first secret of my heart.
    Jun14
    5. Searching for Everyone

    The Secrets of Mary’s Heart
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    Mary
    I seek out and search for everyone in the world, especially for the baptized. They bear the mark of my Son. They were baptized in the name of the Trinity and consecrated to the Most High. They are the devil’s special prize because he roams through the world seeking the ruin of souls.
    Every soul is a battleground. A war is being fought between the forces of heaven and hell. I want to awaken you, O reader, to what is happening. I seek you out. I come to you. Through these words, I open your heart. You are in grave danger. You have powerful enemies who would destroy you for ever and ever. They are hidden behind every temptation and present in every evil desire within you. You cannot win the battle without my help. That is why I seek you out and come. This is a secret of my heart.
    Jun16
    6. Totally Mary’s

    The Secrets of Mary’s Heart
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    Mary
    I speak today of a great joy in my heart. Scattered throughout the world, in every nation and in every city are souls totally dedicated to me. They have given themselves to me. They trust me. They sacrifice for my cause. They know that they are in my hands. They have learned the secrets of true devotion.
    On these, I pour out the divine fire in my Immaculate Heart. They receive all my blessings. I constantly thwart every attempt of the Evil One to destroy them. They are my constant and daily victories.
    These souls are totally mine. They do not seek anything for themselves, even the spiritual goods of heaven. All is in my hands. They are my deepest secret, the instruments I constantly use to gain world peace. I will continue to speak about them
    Jun17
    7. The Elect Souls

    The Secrets of Mary’s Heart
    Mary
    I choose my elect souls and pour out upon them my choicest graces. In the beginning, the soul feels an attraction to me. When they hear about me or think of me, I touch their heart. They find the consolation and strength of having a heavenly mother. This is the beginning of true devotion.
    I lead them even deeper and open to them the great mysteries. They think that everyone experiences what they are feeling. They believe that all see me as a loving mother who takes care of her children. I, alone, know the special graces I place in their hearts. As my influence over them constantly increases, I can protect them from the Evil One and prepare them for the great work that they will do for me, for the Church and for the whole world. They are the deepest secrets of my heart
    8. Finding Mary’s Path

    The Secrets of Mary’s Heart
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    Mary
    God has a plan and every person has their individual place in that plan. The purpose of history is that every person fulfill God’s plan. This is both for God’s glory and for the complete fulfillment of the human person. Unfortunately, many do not reach this goal. Many do not even know their purpose in life. Many deliberately choose their own path which leads them into many unforeseen difficulties.
    I am present to everyone in the world and I try to get them to see God’s path and walk in it. I make the path easy and inviting. I offer them my love and my warmth. I remove obstacles and overcome their fears.
    When I see someone begin to walk this path I rejoice. I send the angels to protect them and I pour out many blessings of encouragement. Happy the soul who has found my path and walks on it. I will bless that soul all the days of his life. This is the deepest secret of my heart.
     
  3. The Fatima Secrets

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    Mary
    Now, I come to the Fatima secrets because these have not been revealed by my Church. Instead, they have been covered over and obscured. So, I must speak clearly and openly.

    The events have begun that will lead to the annihilation of the nations. They have been planned by the Evil One and have been set in motion. So, the timetable is not hidden. These events are the beginning birth pangs of this destruction. They are playing out every day, not in some hidden obscure place, but in the very heart of the Middle East. They are before your very eyes and I will explain them so very carefully.
    The war in Syria has lit the fuse. This burns so strongly because Russia continues to arm the regime. Both sides are being strengthened. This guarantees that the fuse will continue to burn. A fuse leads to an explosion. Syria is not the focus of the explosion. It is only the fuse that will lead to other fires. The explosion will take place elsewhere.

    JUN20​
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    Mary
    I bring forth the secrets of Fatima, revealed so clearly to the children and inscribed indelibly into their memories. I speak today about what is called the Third Secret, revealed on July 13, 1917 and obediently recorded by Lucy for her bishop. This secret was to be published in 1960, but was kept hidden and even until today, is not fully revealed.

    What right does the Church have to set aside my commands and to keep hidden those secrets that should be revealed? What right does my Church have to falsely interpret what is revealed, as if the events have already been fulfilled when really, they lie in the future? This must end. Fatima must be placed immediately on the lampstand and the first step will be for Pope Francis to reveal the entire secret and to acknowledge that these are future events. Yes, a future pope will be killed, but that is only one part of what is still to be revealed.

    JUN21​
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    Mary
    Fatima is a rich source of blessings. The site itself is made holy by my visits and by all the pilgrims who continually show their devotion. The messages have been faithfully recorded and Lucy, for many decades, was my most faithful of messengers, doing all that she could possibly do to bring these riches to the Church.

    These riches are in the Church. I have deliberately deposited them there so that there is no question in the world’s mind of my love for the Church and my desire to exalt the Church. I will never remove these gifts from the hands of the Church. How patient I have been. How many years I have waited. The Church does not open my gifts. The world is deprived of the light. The wars spread. The devastation increases. Yet, I wait and wait for the Church. That is my plan. No other way exists.

    JUN22​
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    Mary
    I come to the heart of the issue. When I appeared to the three children (1917), I foresaw all that would occur in the 20th century. I saw the forces gathered again for war. I foresaw the great destruction reeked by the opposing armies. However, during that war many called out to me and I brought it to a conclusion.
    Quickly, other forces arose and the Cold War began. This, too, I brought to an end. However, scattered throughout the world, many smaller destructive seeds were sown and now they have coalesced. They are active in every nation and, because not linked to one nation, they are difficult to turn back.
    The world sees itself as helpless and on a road of destruction. This is true. I must say the time is short and the road ahead is beyond human imagination. So, I have raised up this tiny voice, still hidden, which proclaims my words. Listen carefully, for I will use this voice time and again.

    JUN23​
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    Mary
    The mountains of destruction now surround the world and they grow higher each day. Where lies the path to peace? That is the real secret of Fatima. The more the darkness grows and the more that the solutions of man fail, the greater must the light of Fatima become.
    Who will find this path? Who can lead the world on this path? Only my pope. The world does not even know Fatima or that such a path exists. Only my Church realizes, through the great revelations, that I have foreseen this era of great darkness. Almost a century ago, I saw clearly the darkness that would envelope the world at this time. I acted. I revealed. I spoke. I gave messages. If this light were accepted I would give greater light.
    Only my pope can lead the whole Church on the path of Fatima. Other voices are raised on behalf of Fatima. These are very clear voices, but they are only partial lights, little lights keeping alive the message. Only the pope can lead the Church on the path of light through these mountains of darkness and destruction.

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    Mary
    I must speak of the power of the light of Fatima. Right now, the forces of darkness seem to be powerful, but their power is a lie. They seem to be well-built and united (a growing union of which I have spoken already) but this is not true. Their building is not based on God’ word and any such building will collapse when the floods come. Also, their union is not a oneness of love but of hatred and only love is the bond of peace.

    They have great power because of darkness. The minds of people are clouded. The leaders of Russia and Iran could easily be toppled if people enjoyed the light.
    I know the weaknesses of their structures and of their oneness. I know how to remove darkness and lead people to light. This is the power of the light of Fatima and a promise of the great changes that can take place if Fatima is placed on the lampstand.
     
  4. Oh sweet Mother of Mercy---COME! COME! Bring us the Light of your Son Jesus! Save us!
     
  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

    This may be a silly thought. But if the Church obscured the 3rd secret of Fatima and if Our Lady says this and is indeed talking to this lady , then why does she not tell us now what the secret is herself now?

    Or am I missing something?
     
  6. Timothius722

    Timothius722 Archangels

    I agree with you Padraig...these messages talk to much about "secrets". It sounds like the old Fatima conspiracy people have hatched a new egg. Look John Paul II released the 3rd secret...and he's up for sainthood...that's enough for me. This visionary constantly quotes our Holy Mother speaking of secrets...secret this and secret that...well dog gone it... just say what you mean and mean what you say. Though the messages are intriging...just to much double speak for this simpleton.
     
  7. Torrentum

    Torrentum Guest

    "What right does the Church have to set aside my commands and to keep hidden those secrets that should be revealed? What right does my Church have to falsely interpret what is revealed"

    These lines set major alarm bells ringing in my head!!
    I really doubt the authenticity of these messages now.
     
  8. HOPE

    HOPE Guest


    These lines and The Mother of God referring to the Church as MY Church and not as the Church of my Son set major alarm bells off in my head. Does this seem like Mary who is always obedient to her Son's Church in other apparitions?
     
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  9. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    I have problems with some of the content , I find these messages very interesting. I have NO doubt that the church suppressed and covered up (just like the pedophile crisis) the third secret. Pope JP2 is going to be a saint but a lot of bad things for the church happened on his watch. Just look at his appointment of bishops.
     
  10. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Don't forget the 11 secrets to the visionaries at Medjugorjie, secrets to the visionaries at Garabandal, etc.
     
  11. Phillip

    Phillip Angels

    JUN25 7. The Sun of Fatima

    Mary
    All the darkness converges, like clouds gathering in the heavens. Who cannot see what is before your very eyes? “The rains are coming” people will say and all will agree. All can read these signs. Then, why not read clearly the events happening before your eyes?

    Can suddenly the sun appear and scatter the clouds? Can all the signs be wrong and no rain fall? Did not the sun dance at Fatima? Am I not the woman clothed with the sun? These are the secrets I have tried so hard to reveal. Yet, few listen and few believe.

    Come, join my army. Promote my Fatima messages. Use your rosaries daily. It is not too late. The sun of Fatima is rising not setting.



    JUN26 8. The Future Blessings

    Mary
    No one can know what the history of the 20th century would have been, if the Church had fully accepted my Fatima gift. So, no one can imagine what will happen when the Church places full faith in Fatima.

    First the Church must have full faith. Before consecrating Russia to my Immaculate Heart, the Church must proclaim to all the world what she intends to do. She must boldly announce that enormous changes will occur which anyone can see. There will be the toppling of dictators without a single shot being fired. Leaders of governments will be drawn out of darkness into a new light of truth and justice. Blessings will flow into family life. Young people will be attracted to goodness and those who now control the mass media that discredits morality will themselves be discredited and set aside. These are all the blessings that are waiting to be released.
     
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  12. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    First the Church must have full faith. Before consecrating Russia to my Immaculate Heart, the Church must proclaim to all the world what she intends to do. She must boldly announce that enormous changes will occur which anyone can see. There will be the toppling of dictators without a single shot being fired. Leaders of governments will be drawn out of darkness into a new light of truth and justice. Blessings will flow into family life. Young people will be attracted to goodness and those who now control the mass media that discredits morality will themselves be discredited and set aside. These are all the blessings that are waiting to be released.

    I have always thought the church must have the faith of a child to do the consecration. What's there not to like about these messages?
     
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  13. Phillip

    Phillip Angels

    If peace comes to the world after the consecration, it makes sense for the Church to predict this in advance so that Mary gets full credit for it. Imagine how many people this could bring to the faith! The Age of Mary.
     
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  14. Phillip

    Phillip Angels

    "The sun of Fatima is rising, not setting"

    This would make a great motto or signature!
     
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  15. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Love it Philip!!!!!
     
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  16. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yes, this makes me uneasy too. This use of the word, 'Church', puzzles me. The suggestion that, 'The Church' acted in this way.


    But what is , 'The Church'?

    The Church is the mystical Body of Christ. I am the Church , you are the Church, we are all the Church. Did we hide the third secret?

    'Our Lady's' view of the Church here is clearly heavily regarding the Church as a hierarchical organisation.

    However the view of the Council Fathers as expressed in Lumen Gentium is very different:

    4. When the work which the Father gave the Son to do on earth (9) was accomplished, the Holy Spirit was sent on the day of Pentecost in order that He might continually sanctify the Church, and thus, all those who believe would have access through Christ in one Spirit to the Father.(10) He is the Spirit of Life, a fountain of water springing up to life eternal.(11) To men, dead in sin, the Father gives life through Him, until, in Christ, He brings to life their mortal bodies.(12) The Spirit dwells in the Church and in the hearts of the faithful, as in a temple.(13) In them He prays on their behalf and bears witness to the fact that they are adopted sons.(14) The Church, which the Spirit guides in way of all truth(15) and which He unified in communion and in works of ministry, He both equips and directs with hierarchical and charismatic gifts and adorns with His fruits.(16) By the power of the Gospel He makes the Church keep the freshness of youth. Uninterruptedly He renews it and leads it to perfect union with its Spouse. (3*) The Spirit and the Bride both say to Jesus, the Lord, "Come!"(17)
    Thus, the Church has been seen as "a people made one with the unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit."(4*)


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  17. We also must understand that there are those in the Vatican who have kept things from the Pope. Benedict has made that perfectly CLEAR---WHEN HE STATED THAT 'WE HAVE NOT HEARD THE LAST OF FATIMA!' There CLEARLY has been deception from Cardinal Bertone' who was in charge of it all. The lie rests on his shoulders. The deception rests on his shoulders. What he HAS DONE and what he HAS FAILED TO DO....

    The cover up is huge---ugly---and divisive! So many have been led astray. The facts will come clear.

    WHAT ABOUT Fr. Amorth- the Vatican Exorcist and his rendition of the events of the Consecration done by PJPII??
    Either we believe this holy man , or we don't.

    What about Fr. Iannuzi? (sp?)--another holy priest who has spelled it all out clearly.

    Fr. Gobbi? --His priests are the front-runners in telling the world that the CONSECRATION HAS NOT BEEN DONE!

    Fr. Gruner?-- Well, me thinks he is going to be a saint. Whatever your opinion, he has stuck to his guns and never wavered despite severe persecution. We will see.

    This truly has been the BIGGEST conspiracy of the Church. SO BIG in fact, that ONLY THE POPE can clear it up, and as we pray our rosaries, I pray that you might continue to pray for strength for Pope Francis.

    In all my studies, in all my travels and quietly talking to priests and bishops etc. This is what it leads to.

    Sorry, NO ONE LOVES THE CHURCH MORE THAN OUR LADY! The words cannot be taken out of context. In the next message she explains what deception has infiltrated the Church and that she is the one WITH THE POPE that is going to RIGHT THAT WRONG. Phillip--thank you for printing that message of June 25 and 26. I cannot speak clearer than our Lady speaks.
     
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  18. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I have no problem with the 3rd secret being covered up, Marti.

    I do have a problem with the Mother of God attacking, 'The Church'.
     
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  19. The question should be WHO obscured the secret? This is why the 97 yr. old Bishop of Fatima was called to the Vatican......at the beginning of Pope Francis' pontificate!!

    This is all unfolding. Our Lady is doing an excellent job of explaining what is going on. I find it refreshing to have this unfold this way. That way there is not a ...why...why...what...when...why...

    She is explaining it! These are the June messages. Now they are every two weeks that she is unfolding all of this and they are being passed onto the public. Remember that the messages of today will be printed online two weeks from now.
     
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  20. I guess I don't see the words that way Padraig. When we say 'the Church' has failed to uphold the beauty and the truth of Vatican II---and so many have left the faith because they lack the TRUTH of the Faith--uncatechized and lukewarm......you and I know who we are speaking of....

    Our Lady when she says, "What right does the Church have to set aside my commands and to keep hidden those secrets that should be revealed? What right does my Church have to falsely interpret what is revealed, as if the events have already been fulfilled when really, they lie in the future? This must end. "

    I understand exactly who she is speaking of....and I don't think of it as an 'attack' as much as a reprimand and the truth! MILLIONS HAVE PERISHED!!
     
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