"Israel is preparing to Commit Genocide"

It’s naive to believe a system like we have here in the U.S. will ever be possible in the Middle East. The minority in the U.S. is represented. Does that happen in Iran after the majority ruled against the Shah? Is not Iran today an authoritarian nation? Do women have any rights in Iran? Is Iran worse off today then during the reign of the Shah? So, the majority rule brought havoc to Iran, and made the world less secure. Sometimes it’s necessary to contain the radicals.

 

The US is a constitutional republic, we elect representatives for what are supposed to be temporary positions where both the civilians and those in power are bound by the rights and limitations of the Constitution

 

As someone who comes from a highly developed Western European country who gave the authority to the USA and Western countries to govern other countries and install governments by force?
Do the unborn have the same rights in Western countries as they do in Iran, where abortion is banned while it is advertised, celebrated and encouraged here? Couldn't they say that we are radicals in the eyes of God because we kill the lives of the weakest?

I can say this freely, but the greatest enemy of peace in the last 50 years, especially after the fall of the USSR, is the policy of Western countries led by the USA. We can repeat like parrots about human rights, democracy and freedom. But no one has brought so much death from the Middle East, Asia to Africa as Western countries, so many killed, expelled and tortured financed by our tax money. Christians remained in all these countries under all these governments until western funded wars developed which caused the destruction of those regions. It's enough to look at Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq before and after the interventions... I'm just repeating, who gave us the authority to demolish and destroy those countries, steal their oil and kill innocent people. The very fact that there were millions of protests in Europe when Iraq was attacked because of alleged nuclear weapons, Saddam was overthrown and hanged in the USA and then no nuclear weapons were found.

Let's imagine the situation is reversed... On the other hand, the USA and Western countries support the policies of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, and Oman, where Christians, women, and minorities are also oppressed without rights, and they are great allies. Israel has so far killed over 7,000 civilians, of which over 3,000 are children, and the West stands by them.

These are the values that we defend, we have far more blood on our hands than Iran and China combined, we just like to convince ourselves that we are righteous...As Bishop Sheen said, the difference between evil people then and now is that the evil ones once knew that they were bad while today they say they are good. This is the difference between the Chinese and the Iranians compared to the West, they don't pretend to be good while the West twists good for evil and evil for good, which is the greatest sin in God's eyes because only He sets the law of good and evil.

 

We can talk about the little freedom we still have in the West to highlight that this is one of the few aspects that differentiate democracies from Islamic theocracies and the Chinese dictatorship. Since you are comfortably talking about the degeneration of the West, whether in your home or on a public computer, without the risk of being killed or thrown in prison simply for telling the truth, no Western government has the morality to criticize China and the Iran, but we Christians have every right; After all, Christians in the Middle East are not second-class Christians who should be ignored. This is the same logic as thinking that abortion is something less serious and should be ignored depending on the country in which it occurs. In fact, Church doctrine tells us to defend life from conception, but also after birth, in all its stages, which also includes Christians persecuted by Islamic dictatorships.

 

If you include yourself among those who defend these abominations, that is a serious problem; I count myself just among those Catholics who lament what is happening to Christians in both the West and the Middle East. This strategy you are using is to use the abominations of the West as a straw man to prevent legitimate Christian criticism of Islamic and communist dictatorships. This same strategy is used by liberals when they say that the church cannot have an opinion on sexual morals because of the pedophilia scandals involving evil men infiltrated among the clergy.

 

No one gave the US authority to do this, just as no one gave Iran authority to persecute anyone who preaches the sacred scriptures. The church is the kingdom of God, it is the wife of Christ, therefore no error by any Western nation prevents it from preaching the gospel. The church of Christ is subject solely to the Divine Redeemer and nothing that a Western government does should be used to silence Christians about the drama of persecution in any country.

 

What does our freedom of expression in the West have to do with what is being done on the outside and the wars that are started on other continents?

Profiles of serial killers are usually family people who have a wife and children, a stable job. Is that why they are less monstrous because they love their own even though they do evil to others?

China and Iran are totalitarian states, each in their own way, that limit the rights of their citizens, but unlike the West, they do not cause so many wars, persecutions and deaths around the world. The fact that they are bad does not mean that the west has the right to do evil ...
That's my point, evil is evil no matter who does it.
If you are already interested, before this democracy we had communism for 46 years( 1945-1991) and there is probably no other country that had more persecutions and murders than us per capita. Over 800 priests were killed out of a population of less than 4 million. Centuries before that, we had wars with the Turks and defended Europe from Islam, we lived under them and received recognition from Pope Leo X for the defense of Christianity ( XV-XX)... So as a country we survived the persecution of Islam and communism, I know very well the horrors of both because they in both cases left the greatest death in these areas.
It just seems to me that you have the wrong impression about the practice of religion in both cases. It was not forbidden, it was always practiced and the people could participate in the religion only under certain circumstances. You were not allowed to be in the communist party, with the Turks you had to pay a special tax for "infidels".

You're forgetting one thing. Not everyone has the same gift of revelation, nor did everyone receive complete revelation from God. The fact that we received a complete picture of salvation through Christ means that we are more responsible than those who did not receive it, such as Muslims and communists.
For them, the holy books are Islamic, i.e. the Koran, not Christian, i.e. the Bible. It's not their fault that everything wasn't revealed to them like it was to us. However, they respect their faith in one God, respect the laws and adhere to them more than we Christians in the West.

They will be judged differently than us. This does not mean that they are innocent because everyone has been given a conscience and the knowledge of good and evil. However, many of the things they do do with less knowledge than we do...
The West was built on Christian culture. All our individual rights come from God, that's why we are so advanced compared to others because we value every life. However, the problem arises when we replace God and put a man in his place and start to determine what is good and what is evil. Instead of being an example to Iran and China, we become worse than them despite having received the fullness of the revelation and having a greater responsibility than them to God and to people.

 

the relationship that exists is that
thanks to this freedom you can denounce these Western crimes publicly, like here on the forum ...

 

a psychopath is no less dangerous because he does not have the means to carry out his crimes. Charles Manson did not stop being dangerous when he was in prison because he still had evil plans in his mind. China and Iran have not yet dominated several nations militarily because they still do not have enough military power to do this even more so with US opposition. The day they both have this power, they will promote the same persecution they do within their own territory, but on a global scale.

 

If you are familiar with some type of persecution, this does not give you the right to discredit the drama of those who are being effectively persecuted right now in China and the Middle East. This seems more like the pride of someone who thinks that their own experience serves to alleviate people's drama. In fact, Our Lady of Fatima made it very clear the evil that communism represents and no matter how much the errors of communism infiltrated the West; This does not make original communism (which is in China today) something good; nor does it alleviate the persecutions that Iran and China promote.

 

I find myself agreeing with both debaters here. I suppose power does tend to corrupt and the United States has had a monopoly on power for some time, which has allowed it to pursue wars with impunity. It has also become a source of 'woke' cultural colonialism. There is little doubt that China, with similar opportunities, would seek to dominate in a similar way, but I find it difficult to imagine anything quite as toxic as that current 'woke' agenda, not even communism.

 

a pagan can be saved by following the natural law but no one can be saved by persecuting the church of Christ. Furthermore, what you mentioned does not serve to prevent the preaching of the immutable truth that whoever believes in the son of God will be saved; a message that is always in conflict with the Qur'anic heresies that God has no son, Jesus is not God and that paradise is full sexual satisfaction with 72 virgins. If Muslims want to believe in these heresies it is an exercise of freedom; but they have no right to impede the apostolic preaching of the one truth.

 

the West is evil and has no morals to criticize any country; I have said this more than once; Those who have the authority to judge both the West and the East are us Christians who do not condone their crimes.

 

Minorities in the US haven't always been represented. That took centuries. An argument could be made that certain protected minorities in the US now are over-represented, almost to the point of having dominance over the majority. Shouldn't other countries be permitted to develop at their own pace? Maybe they could develop a system superior to democracy. Many Christians in the West seem to believe that democracy or republicanism are divine revelation.

Were there sanctions on Iran during the Shah's reign? If not, then it's impossible to make a fair comparison between then and now. Don't you think it a little more than coincidental that the countries western powers consider to be most in need of freedom and democracy happen to have an abundance of oil and are not allies of the Western powers? An ally of the US, France and the UK can discriminate to its heart's content with no fear of having freedom and democracy imposed on it.

 

Palestinian Christians certainly have the right to criticise Israel. Freedom of speech? Not so much.

Here's Catholic Church leaders' news conference in response to the behaviour of the Israeli police at the funeral of a Paelstinian Melkite Catholic journalist assassinated by the Israelis last year. They showed video footage of the Israeli police storming into the Catholic hospital. There are plenty of videos of the Israeli apartheid system. Pointing fingers at Iran doesn't whitewash the persecution of Palestinians at the hands of Israel with the support of Western powers. Somehow, it's acceptable to Western "Christians" because the persecutors are Jews and anyone speaking out against it is conveniently labelled an anti-Semite or a terrorist sympathiser.

 

democracy does not mirror a divine system of government, it only serves as an initial step towards discovering the corruption that exists in our own countries; as well as allowing us to share what we discover with people in other countries. But above the importance of the form of government is the protection of religious freedom; This is independent of the form of government. Constantine was not a democrat when he ended the persecution of Christians just as King Cyrus was not a democrat when he abolished the Babylonian captivity. For me, the descendants of the current Iranian dynasty could reign until the year 3000 and I would not see a problem. As long as they protected religious freedom.

 

St Paul was. Just saying.

 

pointing the finger at Israel's crimes in this forum (within its freedom) does not justify mitigating the seriousness of Iran's persecution against Christians and also its supreme leader's statements that Israel is a cancer that must be annihilated; nor does it mean that the Iranian government would have any regard for your life if you yourself were in the midst of a Christian community persecuted by the government.

 

but because he converted; I'm talking about people who don't regret their crime before they die.

 

Palestinian Christians have every right to criticize Israel as well as the Islamic persecution of Christians and the actions of terrorist groups, although it is doubtful to believe that they will be safe to do so.