Is the Warning/Miracle of Garabandal on/before April 2030?

I would dispute a few assumptions..
1. I don't think we can narrow it to the 11th or 13th. None of the martyrs fit the description of the martyr Conchita gave....therefore it may be someone we are unaware of.
2. The even year thing I think is also questionable, certainly not definitive. That source was a single priest who could have misunderstood or loli could have misunderstood the question. It's weak evidence to say this conclusively imho.
Therefore that would.leave us with the original Criteria of any year and any day in April 8-16th. Mostly likely within this decade or early next.

 

Hi Eric. https://simplicityhumilitytrust.org/2021/garabandal/warning-miracle-same-year.html

Please see below for the source on the even year. Also mentioned is Mari Loli told a Priest the Warning would precede the Miracle either by around 3 months (so January) or 3 weeks (so March) but she could not remember which. As for whether it could be a date other than 11th or 13th, that seems unlikely unless a new feast is declared in the remaining years. St. Stanislaus on the 11th and St. Hermenegild on the 13th are the closest fits imho.

"Warning and Miracle, same (even) year
July 27, 1975 Mari Loli “Needles” magazine Interview

Q. You have said that you know the year of the Warning. Can you tell us if it will occur in the next few years or is it still in the distant future?
A. No. I can't say anything.

Q. Did the Blessed Mother tell you not to speak about the Warning?
A. No, she didn't, but because the Warning and the Miracle are within the same year, I feel it inside not to say anything.

Q. How do you know the Warning and the Miracle are within the same year"?
A. During an apparition-I don't remember just when- the Blessed Virgin told me.

This interview has been published again in “Garabandal International” magazine October-December 2004

Miracle after the Warning, 3 weeks or 3 months?

Dear Glenn,

In the late 1980´s or early 1990´s, two Priests, whom I knew personally at that time, visited Mari Loli in Massachusetts. On their return one of the Priests told me that Mari Loli disclosed to them, when they were leaving, that the Warning would be in an even-numbered year.

Several years later I asked the same Priest if Mari Loli said even numbered year. He said, "Yes". I have also read about or heard the same from other sources, which I do not recall now.

In another situation, I was told by a man in Massachussets, who knows the Pastor of the Church that Mari Loli attended, that Mari Loli was speaking to her Pastor in Massachusetts one day, after he came to know about her relation with Garabandal, and told him that she could not remember whether the Blessed Virgin told her that it was 3 weeks or 3 months that the Warning would precede the Miracle. That would confirm that the Warning and Miracle are in the same year, as she said in her July 27, 1975 publicized interview. I take the same year to be the same calendar year."

 

Yes I've read all this before. I just disagree that this is definitive. It's still a singular source that could have had a misunderstanding. I agree 100% about both happening in the same year as this has been stated many times from multiple sources and Loli herself has stated such in interviews. But the whole even year thing is much more questionable. I've heard her family members in Garabandal dint believe this and don't believe she would have ever revealed this.
As for the martyr, I think this one is impossible for us to know. Her description of the martyr was a boy who was carrying the Holy Communion to persecuted Christians. His playmates, on seeing him go by, tried to force him to join their games. When he refused, they stoned him to death and ran away. A Christian soldier who was passing by carried his body away.”
This clearly sounds like St tarcisius whose feast day is in august....so there's a clear disconnect here....but it doesn't describe stanislaus or hermenigild at all. Therefore this martyr is a complete mystery and I don't think we will know until the miracle.
Anyway we are all.speculating and only time will tell.

 

In the quote above, Mari Loli said "the same year." Read it. She did not say "an even-numbered year" or "an even year."

To confirm this, read the context of Mari Loli's actual sentence. Here it is:

"No, she didn't, but because the Warning and the Miracle are within the same year, I feel it inside not to say anything."​

Now, let's falsely substitute the word "even" into that sentence where Mari Loli says "same." Here is a false version of the same sentence:

"No, she didn't, but because the Warning and the Miracle are within the even year, I feel it inside not to say anything."​

The first sentence [her actual quote] makes perfect sense. Mari Loli says she doesn't feel comfortable telling the interviewer the timing of the Warning because the Miracle occurs "in the same year." So, she is keeping silent on the timing of the Warning to protect the timing of the Miracle. "[Because the two events] are within the same year," she can't tell the interviewer whether the Warning will happen soon or in the distant future. Said another way, by telling the interviewer that the Warning would be in the distant future, Mari Loli would reveal prematurely that the Miracle would also be in the distant future. She did not want to do that, so she remained silent.

I ask you, does that second sentence [the falsely attributed quote] make any sense to you in that context? If her words are interpreted as "the even year," then her reasoning is nonsensical. Why would she not be able to tell the interviewer if the Warning was close or distant simply because the Warning is in "the even year?"

So, please stop spreading misinformation. The Mari Loli quote from July 27, 1975 does not say anything about "an even-numbered year." The word "even" is not found in her words. And if you think that the Spanish word for "same" could be translated as "even," then look at the context of her sentence to see that such a translation is impossible.

The only source for the "even-numbered year" thing is from a single priest [Fr. Gustavo Morelos] and repeated by Thomas Fahy:

"On their return one of the priests [Fr. Gustavo Morelos] told me [Thomas Fahy] that Mari Loli disclosed to them, when they were leaving, that the Warning would be in an even-numbered year. Several years later I asked the same Priest if Mari Loli said even numbered year. He said, "Yes." I have also read about or heard the same from other sources, which I do not recall now."​

Fr. Gustavo Morelos was interviewed at length about his discussions with the Garabandal seers. In that interview, Fr. Morelos says absolutely nothing about the events taking place in an "even-numbered year." If he actually believed the "even-numbered year" thing, why did he not mention it?

http://www.garabandal.org/vigil/J_A_1988/Father_Morelos_1988.shtml

 

I believe that Saint Tarcisius could be celebrated in April through the introduction of a new Marian title in the liturgy, also dedicated to Christians persecuted throughout the world and who, like Saint Tarcisius, gave public testimony to the baptism of blood. I believe this could reveal the true date of his martyrdom.

 

THE STORY BEHIND LONDON’S NEW SHRINE TO MARY, MOTHER OF PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS
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CNA Newsroom, Sep 8, 2022 / 03:14 am

What may well be the first shrine in Europe dedicated to persecuted Christians will be blessed today in central London, UK.

The Shrine of Mary, Mother of Persecuted Christians, was dedicated at 6:30 p.m. local time on the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the Ordinariate Church of Our Lady of the Assumption and St. Gregory, which is situated in the famous district of Soho.

Father Benedict Kiely, who is a long-standing advocate of persecuted Christians around the world, told Catholic News Agency in an email exchange on Sept. 6 that the shrine was “most certainly the first shrine in Europe dedicated to Mary, Mother of Persecuted Christians, and will be a real place of prayer for the persecuted Church.”

Kiely, who orchestrated the establishment of the shrine, said: “I hope the shrine will become a focus of prayer in the heart of London — so close to Piccadilly Circus — for everyone who comes from a place where the Church is persecuted, to come and pray — Nigerians, Syrians, Indians, Iraqis — and so many more.”

“Also, I hope we who are in the West will come and pray regularly for our brethren and get courage and strength for our own Christian witness and for whatever trials we might face in remaining faithful. I truly believe this shrine is desperately needed because the persecution of the Church is barely mentioned in the mainstream media and, it has to be said, does not often appear to be much of a priority even in the Church itself.”

The shrine features an icon of Our Lady with the words “Mother of the Persecuted” written in Aramaic, which was the language of Jesus and is still spoken in parts of Syria and Iraq. The icon was painted by Sister Souraya, a Lebanese Melkite nun.

Kiely told CNA that his call to raise awareness about the plight of persecuted Christians ignited in 2014.

“I was a parish priest in Stowe, Vermont … when I heard that because of ISIS, there would be no Mass in Mosul, Iraq, for the first time in nearly 2,000 years,” he explained. “Mosul is Nineveh, where Jonah’s tomb is, or was — ISIS blew it up. I felt impelled to do something. Starting with producing items with the Arabic “N” or “Nun,” which ISIS — and Islam — has marked Christians for centuries, I then went to Iraq for the first time in early 2015 and felt more and more called to devote my priestly ministry and life to aid and advocacy for the persecuted Church.”

The Ordinariate priest then established the charity Nasarean.org in 2016, a charity that helps Middle Eastern Christians remain in their home countries. He has since visited Iraq eight times, as well as Syria and Lebanon.

In 2019 he was incardinated in the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham to perform his particular ministry full time.

According to Kiely, there are three main things Catholics can do to support their persecuted brothers and sisters in Christ worldwide. He told CNA: “The first is, obviously, prayer — hence the shrine. But prayer leads to action — so then aid and advocacy. Aid — helping charities and organizations that are doing good works to help the persecuted — and advocacy, speaking up with politicians, etc., to advocate for the defense of Christians.”

“A perfect example would be for members of the Nigerian diaspora in Britain to lobby heavily the new British prime minister about the dreadful slaughter of Christians in Nigeria, which is almost genocidal in the north of the country. If politicians hear from their constituents they will be forced to act — if they never hear, no wonder the persecution of Christians is so little reported. Ultimately, it’s about being part of the Body of Christ: when one suffers, all suffer.”

The first shrine for persecuted Christians was established at St. Michael’s Church in New York City, and Kiely told CNA that along with the latest addition in London: “I’m determined to have many shrines — but always with the blessing of the local bishop, ideally in his cathedral or designated church. This one in London is in the ordinariate’s ‘Mother Church,’ blessed by the ordinary, Msgr. Keith Newton.”

 

The Icon of Mary, Mother of Persecuted Christians features the baby Jesus in the center, holding an Orthodox cross, which seems to me a bit similar to this Orthodox icon of Saint Tarcisius.

 

I don't think any new revelation of a true date of a saint's martyrdom can have any bearing on the date. We know the saint story from Conchita who went and looked at a calendar in the early 60's and saw the name of the saint.

 

There is an interview with Guadalupe Morelos de Kania, niece of Father Morelos, from June 10, 2018, in which she remotely remembers having heard from her uncle that Conchita saw the saint's date on the calendar on a date different from the date of the great miracle. The interview was given to the Garanbadal apostolate in Portuguese.

 

https://motheofgod.com/threads/why-...pr-2024-at-earliest.14792/page-27#post-425040

 

We only know she saw the Saint on the calendar. We don't know that she saw it on the date of the Miracle. Saints feast days move...

 

PNF, if you read the complete excerpt from the link I gave, each of these three data points are documented in the link: (1) Warning and Miracle within the same year, (2) Warning either 3 weeks or 3 months before the Miracle, AND (3) Warning (and thus Miracle also) in an even-numbered year.

Now, of course, it's your prerogative to accept or not accept any one of the 3 or even all 3 if you so choose, but the sources for each of the 3 were given. You can choose to believe Thomas Fahy and Fr. Gustavo Morales or not. I do. "Several years later I asked the same Priest if Mari Loli said even numbered year. He said, "Yes". I have also read about or heard the same from other sources, which I do not recall now."

"Other considerations make people think that the events are still some time in the future. Mari-Loli is reported to have said that the Warning will take place in a year that is an even number, ruling out 2023." https://catholicstand.com/garabandal-is-2023-the-year/

At any rate, the table for the upcoming years can be updated to include the odd years if someone believes the Miracle might come in an odd year.

God Bless.

 

Thank you, Xavier.

 

Your table says that certain years are "not possible," as if there is some kind of strong evidence for that impossibility. However, there is no "strong evidence" for the "even-numbered year" conjecture.

You admit that you have no evidence that Mari Loli herself ever stated in a published interview that the events would take place in an "even-numbered year."

You admit that your only evidence for that conjecture is a report by Glenn Hudson of a report from Thomas Fahy who reports that Maria Saraco reports that Father Gustavo Morelos said he heard Mari Loli say this:
https://simplicityhumilitytrust.org/2021/garabandal/warning-miracle-same-year.html
https://simplicityhumilitytrust.org/2021/garabandal/warning-in-an-even-year.html

So the reported evidence chain is as follows:

Glenn Hudson was told by
< Thomas Fahy who was told by
< Maria Saraco who was told by
< Fr. Gustavo Morelos who was told by
< Mari Loli.

However, Fr. Gustavo Morelos was interviewed at length by Maria Saraco herself regarding his conversations with Mari Loli and the other seers, and Maria Saraco never mentioned that Fr. Morelos said anything about an "even-numbered year" in that interview:
http://www.garabandal.org/vigil/J_A_1988/Father_Morelos_1988.shtml

Here is what Maria Saraco says that Fr. Morelos said when asked about the date of the Miracle:

Q. Did Conchita ever reveal anything special to you?
A. Well, she used to say to me that if I guessed the day of The Miracle that she would tell me, so I would try to guess the date but I never did. Every time I would give her a date she would say, "No that's not it." Until one time she said, "I will help you to guess. It will happen between the months of February and July and it will be between the 7th and the 17th, but I will not tell you which year." She assured me that The Miracle would not happen in the month of May. I enjoyed talking to Conchita about this while trying to guess the date. (Ed. Note: WE NOW KNOW THAT THE MIRACLE WILL HAPPEN IN APRIL. Of course, only Conchita knows the exact date and year which she will announce 8 days before it happens. However, in the book, "Miracle at Garabandal" authored by Harry Daley; page 89, Conchita is quoted as saying, "I will also tell you that it (meaning the Miracle) is going to happen either in April or May. Since she had already assured Father Morelos back in 1965 that the Miracle would not happen in May, it can safely be concluded that April must be the month in which it will take place. I spoke to Conchita about all these details as recent as April 25, 1988 during a telephone conversation, and while she was not able to recall saying what she did to both Father Morelos and Harry Daley, commenting that she had not read his book, she did not deny saying them nor did she contradict April as being The Miracle month. I pointed out that I intended to publish this information in "The Vigil" unless she said it was not true which she did not do, rather her reply was, "You can do what you want.")
​

Notice Fr. Morelos says nothing about an "even-numbered year" in that answer to Maria Saraco. Why would he not add that critical piece of information, if he knew it. Furthermore, I don't think that Maria Saraco ever mentioned (please correct me if I am wrong) the "even-numbered year" hypothesis in her extensive discussions on Garabandal.

Bottom line: Fr. Morelos is claimed by Mr. Fahey to be the only direct source of the "even-numbered year" claim. But Fr. Morelos does not mention anything about an "even-numbered year" in his interview with Maria Saraco, who Thomas Fahy claims is the source of his information.

Do you see how flimsy your evidence is Xavier?

 

Great answer PNF, let me add few words, in no way Loli did said anything about the warning year according to her own family to whom I am very close, as about the so called false Sister Lucia rumor which I debunked years ago, I reconfirm here that the even year story is a fake, thank you.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermenegild

St hermengild is the martyr April 13 is his feast day and one or two of the visionaries said the saints feast day is in April. It will be in April. It's tied to the great french monarch because they are the same bloodlines especially on the Seville line. People will see at the warning how they persecuted and made poor the true king of France the great french monarch the line of Seville. That is the connection. It's possible they even switched feast days st tarcisus and st hermengild. The end sentence is plausible. Wasn't it also said the great french monarch will mirror the martyr?

 

No nothing about French monarch was ever said at Garabandal. Hermenegild doesn't fit the description Conchita gave about the martyr, a boy who bought the eucharist to persecuted Christians.

 

Patrick8747, there are a number of "conjectures" bandied about concerning Garabandal that none of the seers have ever confirmed in published interviews. Without trying to be exhaustive, I will name a few:

1. That the Warning and/or Miracle will occur in "an even-numbered year." NOT CONFIRMED
2. That the Warning and Miracle will occur in "the same calendar year." NOT CONFIRMED
3. That "the Pope will go to Moscow." NOT CONFIRMED
4. That the martyr Saint, matching the description of St. Tarcisius, is the same as "the martyr of the Miracle." NOT CONFIRMED

What do all of these conjectures have in common? They all come from reports of a person who said they "heard" the seer say that thing. Again, the seer never confirmed saying those things in any published interview.

Does that mean that those things will not happen? No. It means that they are on the level of conjecture, not facts confirmed by the seer. So take those things with caution. Apparently, they are not the key pieces of information that Our Lady wanted revealed to the public, since the seers have not confirmed them or offered them voluntarily in any published interview.

Why not focus on the facts that the seers have confirmed, rather than conjectures?

 

By her saying the miracle and the warning are within the same year doesn't mean the calendar year it means there within the same year not a calendar year. Pray for the wisdom and interpretation of what she said context and interpretation are everything!