The fact is that our saintly pope John Paul II said it was impossible for those that are divorced and remarried to receive communion. This is basic Church teaching, why is this so hard for you to comprehend?
You misquote me again and put words in my mouth that I did not say. Adultery is an objective mortal sin (grave matter). Should someone commit adultery with full knowledge and free choice knowing that it is wrong then they commit an actual mortal sin (3 fonts),
This is so true and even for Pope Francis whose sister is divorced and remarried. Pope Francis even said a few days ago that he may be responsible for a schism. I was discussing with my husband and children about what we should do if the Church splits. In my own diocese, it would surely go the way of Pope Francis, and no doubt the San Diego diocese, too. Where will we go for the sacraments? But I take some comfort in decades old messages to an Italian priest (Msgr. Michelini) in which it was said..."the enemy's aim and purpose of demolishing the work of God is almost attained, but he will not be able to go beyond the determined limit; that is to say he will not be able to prevail... Afterwards the sun will illumine the earth with a new light, a light never before seen or known. The heat of this sun will make the earth fruitful, as it never was before."
Hmm... Didn't answer my question. I'll show in anyway in hopes that you are acting in goodwill... Taken from: L'Osservatore Romano Weekly Edition in English 5 February 1997 "As I wrote in the Apostolic Exhortation Familiaris consortio, the divorced and remarried cannot be admitted to Eucharistic Communion since "their state and condition of life objectively contradict that union of love between Christ and the Church which is signified and effected by the Eucharist" (n. 84). And this is by virtue of the very authority of the Lord, Shepherd of Shepherds, who always seeks his sheep. It is also true with regard to Penance whose twofold yet single meaning of conversion and reconciliation is contradicted by the state of life of divorced and remarried couples who remain such." Also here: LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CONCERNING THE RECEPTION OF HOLY COMMUNION BY THE DIVORCED AND REMARRIED MEMBERS OF THE FAITHFUL With respect to the aforementioned new pastoral proposals, this Congregation deems itself obliged therefore to recall the doctrine and discipline of the Church in this matter. In fidelity to the words of Jesus Christ(5), the Church affirms that a new union cannot be recognised as valid if the preceding marriage was valid. If the divorced are remarried civilly, they find themselves in a situation that objectively contravenes God's law. Consequently, they cannot receive Holy Communion as long as this situation persists(6). This norm is not at all a punishment or a discrimination against the divorced and remarried, but rather expresses an objective situation that of itself renders impossible the reception of Holy Communion: "They are unable to be admitted thereto from the fact that their state and condition of life objectively contradict that union of love between Christ and his Church which is signified and effected by the Eucharist. Besides this, there is another special pastoral reason: if these people were admitted to the Eucharist, the faithful would be led into error and confusion regarding the Church's teaching about the indissolubility of marriage"(7). During an audience granted to the Cardinal Prefect, the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II gave his approval to this letter, drawn up in the ordinary session of this Congregation, and ordered its publication. Given at Rome, from the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 14 September 1994, Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross.
How can you all not see the terrible danger of going against the reigning pope. Its madness. It goes against everyhing the Church teaches. Francis has full authority in the name of Jesus. Do you think the Lord didnt know what he wa doing. Francis is the pope for this age of wonded souls. He has had his hands dirty in the slums of Argentina. He knows real life. Just like Jesus he walks with those in need of help and mercy.
So the letter was not from John Paul II; it ws from Ratzinger, and in the pope's own text he didnt use the term mpossible. Facts need to be correct!
No, the first source came straight from St. JPII. The second came from Pope Benedict while he was a Cardinal at the explicit request and approval from St. John Paul II. Nice try. Move along.
Well I would say all the Irish dioceses will go with Bergoglio too. At least at the start. But at least were they are not giving out sacrilgeous communions to public adulterers I think it will still be fine to use these Churches for the time being. But in the not too distant future it will become , I believe impossible to use them. One of the first things Satan will wish to do is to remove ,I suspect is the Real Presence, as he did with the poor Protestants. Once they start down this path they will go into high gear and things will change for them pretty fast. But in the short term I think things will stay the same. Mary Ann do you have a link to Msgr Michellini I would love to read him?
I asked you a simple question. We had already clarified (or I had) about what constitues mortal sin. I questioned you deliberately about how you could possibly know the interior issues within the souls of others. You answered they are all in mortal sin. The Church doesnt say that about these people. It says the may be or they may not be. half truhs dont help anybody Im afraid.
The pope obviously does not believe in Jesus' words here. He is puffed up with his own self-pride. God used the story(s) of two well-known women in the Bible, Martha and Mary, to demonstrate the type of relationship He wants with each of us. The two sisters had contrasting approaches to their walk with God -- and thus got difference results. Martha was anxious and un-trusting. Mary got alone with God and worshipped at Jesus' feet. Mary and Martha: God used the story of two well-known women in the Bible to demonstrate to us the type of relationship He wants with each of us. You might remember that in one story Jesus was visiting the home of the two sisters when Martha came to Him to complain about her sister, Mary. As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord's feet listening to what he said. But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, "Lord, don't you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!" "Martha, Martha," the Lord answered, "you are worried and upset about many things, but only one thing is needed. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her." Luke 10:38-42 NIV When I read this passage of scripture I get the image of a house busy with people engaged in numerous conversations around the house. Martha is running about trying to figure out how everybody is going to get fed and coordinating the logistics of cooking for all the people. Somewhere in a secluded corner the Lord Jesus Christ is calmly teaching a handful of people who are intently listening to His every word. Mary is sitting at His feet, very content and very settled. Martha frantically rushes over to interrupt the intimate gathering. Everyone casually looks up at her as the Lord easily sets the record straight. Feeling compassion for Martha, He reassuringly says, “Martha, Martha … you are worried and upset about many things, but only one thing is needed. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her." After all, if Jesus could feed the 4,000 (Matthew 15:32-39) and the 5,000 (Matthew 14:14-21), then certainly He could handle supper for a house full of people. Sometimes we just forget how big our God is and we run around with what I call the "Martha Syndrome" trying to make everything just right when all we need to do is just Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. (Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV) Remember, Jesus told us to seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. (Matthew 6:33 KJV) That's what Mary did. She sought Jesus first. This is what I call the "Mary Solution." But Martha was concerned about What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? (Matthew 6:31 KJV)
