“I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out.”

Brians views are based on church teaching. Where is the problem?

 

When I first saw the controversial cross I saw no conflict. I thought yes this symbol is true: "Communism has crucified Christ." In this presentation Christ hangs from the crushing cross of the hammer of Communism and stands on the sickle of lies to stop its swathe through eternal Truth. The hammer reminded me of the one used to drive the nails into His hands and feet. But His friends released Him from the cross, laid Him in the arms of His mother and and in the tomb so that He could rise again to triumph over that very same hammer and sickle. Christ died to combat the lies of Atheistic Communism, to take away the sin of the world, the sin that does not recognize God and Jesus as His Son. He took this sin on Himself and this cross shows the background to his sacrifice: fallen man's lack of faith and hatred of the Truth and the freedom it brings. Christ puts himself between us and the hammer and confines the sickle under his feet just as His Mother crushes the head of the serpent under Her feet. In the coming conflict Communism will once again raise it ugly head only to be crushed by Our Lady. The fires that Communism will start across Europe and the world will be extinguished by the Breath of God in the Advent of The Warning. In my view this is a powerful symbol of the Triumph of the Cross not of cooperation with Communism. Sacrilegious? Depends how you see it. Whatever you see, I am sure that Pope Francis does not support Atheistic Communism. That is a given for those of Faith.

 

Well that was worth staying behind at work. I am sure you will bounce back, my friend Mac.

 

I will join you in praying for Pope Francis, Mac.

As for the "ammunition" you claim you cannot find, I again invite you to spend some time prayerfully looking at what our Pope is saying on a daily basis. IMO, there is plenty of "ammunition," but I fear you are not looking in the right places. Go to Pope Francis' daily homilies and speeches to see what he is really saying on a variety of important topics, then, if you're still convinced he is in error, I (for one) will shut up!

 

Indeed. Here's the actual transcript of the remarks yesterday surrounding the presentation of that blasphemous crucifix:

[Morales:] Santidad, han tallado afortunadamente el símbolo de la cruz del martillo y de la hoz que es probablemente obra de Espinal, Luis de Espinal… Interesante como símbolo.
[Francis:] No sabía eso.
[Morales:] Ya lo sabe.
[Morales:] Your Holiness, fortunately they have made the symbol of the hammer-and-sickle cross, which is probably the work of Espinal, Luis de Espinal. It’s an interesting symbol.
[Francis:] I didn’t know that.
[Morales:] Now you know.​

No rebuke, no recoil in horror, and once again the Faithful trying to put the best possible spin on everything come out looking like fools with no credibility left.

 

The below is a good take:
https://incaelo.wordpress.com/2015/07/09/communist-crucifix/
The Pope and his staff must keep a better handle on what Pope Francis says, does, the content of his public appearances and Photo-Ops. The LeftStream "Media" (Gay/Abortion Agenda), his enemies in the Vatican, those of other denominations looking for an excuse to disparage Catholicism are jumping on every Papal misstep, off-hand comment and misquote. Real damage is being done and Christians are being distracted and confused .... just as satan and pals have hoped .... The Storm!

GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!

 

Lets say your translation is correct, I really don't know?
Is this a heresy Brian?
Personnaly I don't like this cross the Pope received but it does show truth! the hammer and sickle has and still does crucify Jesus our Lord. I appreciated Joes reflection on the symbolism of this cross.
The crucifix in our Churchs' and around our necks show the price Christ paid for ALL the sins of the world. Crucifiction was for a sinner, was Jesus a sinner Brian?
Of course not!
So apply this to the cross the pope received, does this make the pope a supporter of communisum now?
In NO way!

Im afraid Brian &company you see satan under every rock with papa Francis !

All who defend our current Pope have TONS of credibility!
We hold FAST to Christs promise that the gates of Hell will never prevail against his Mystical Body the Church!
seems to me you guys are on the fence with Christs promise.

 

I'm not going to get into the "Good Pope/Bad Pope debate, (I do not like debate, I am still stinging from the "First Saturday" thread), but "communism has crucified Christ" is exactly what I thought when I saw "it". Made me feel so sad. Then I thought of all the other beliefs and behaviors we crucify Him with daily. Very sobering.

 

Getting tired of this anti-pope agenda being constantly presented on this, Our Mother's forum and I feel it is putting this whole forum in danger of disobeying the church.

 

Hi Pinecone
Thanks for your wise wee comment. As St Paul says we Christians dont deal in intellectual philosophy but only profess the love of God in Christ crucified. Sorry to hear you were stung. I had a quick look at that thread but missed the sting. Hope you heal soon.

 

I agree Andy. I thought maybe the anti pope thing may have been caused by resentment due to personal injury but having ascertained that is not the case via PM I feel freer to comment. Trouble is I hate wasting time on this trouble. The story of the origins of this cross is one of suffering and sacrifice and horrific martyrdom for the sake Christ and his poor people. That alone allows me to discount its use as a weapon with which to attack our Pope. Perhaps the best way to deal with such attacks is to minimise comment on their content but it is always worth defending The Church. Attacks on the Pope are attacks on the church and as the old saying goes, the only thing for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.

 

After reading the link (BY Miker/David) to Mark Mallots reflections yesterday, I felt this was so profound for us all on Pope Francis, In St Pauls words...
1CORINTHIANS 9V19 f
19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, that I might win the more. 20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law—though not being myself under the law—that I might win those under the law. 21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law—not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ—that I might win those outside the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. 25 Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26 Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air; 27 but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

Are PAULS words not Pope Francis in action today???

 

You've ascertained nothing. You've just given yourself a blank check to ascribe motives to a Faithful fellow Catholic, publicly patting yourself on the back in the process.

Those who have eyes ....

 

you faithfully throw stones! not sure that's being faithful?

 

God bless you Brian....and correct you.

 

If I ran this beautiful forum, I would not allow anyone to undermine the Holy Father the way I see it done here. It is in the spirit of the antichrist, or blaspheme at the least, that leads one to bash a pope for nondoctrinal statements he may have made. If/when an antipope appears in our life time, I will be the first to pronounce it so, but Pope Francis is not he. A valid pope, in these times especially, is guided by the Holy Spirit. Anyone who denies this truth is in serious sin. If the apparent confusion frustrates anyone, then take it to prayer, lest you commit serious sin against the 8th commandment.

 

I may be misremembering, but at one point, I think that Padraig referred to this forum as "Our Lady's living room" - regardless, that is how I like to think of this forum.

A couple of questions I often ask myself before I post are: "Would I say this in front of Our Lady?" or "Could I look Our Lady in the eyes and make these statements?"

Suffice it to say, the answer for me is often "no" and I have deleted many comments that were ultimately not appropriate, not helpful, not fruitful and not charitable.

Perhaps we would all do well to ask these questions before posting.

 

All, these things must come.

Brian, let's say you are Pope. You're a busy man, you're on an overseas trip, a bit jet lagged. You've alreadymet 1079 people in person and millions more waving and cheering you.

Now guy #1080 comes up and presents you with this goofy crucifix, your eyes focus in on the crucifix and you don't see that it's actually a hammer and sickle, but it's just this awkward looking thing. Because your eyes, as Pope, are always looking for the good, not the bad.

But damage is done, it was shoved in your face, you reacted, and didn't have the luxury that we had to sit back and examine this thing and see that's it's actually quite diabolical.

I understand the Pope not being perfect in his every action and reaction, and I clearly understand that he's not the best off the cuff speaker. This does not mean he's anything other than our dear Pope who we must support and pray for and TRUST as good Catholics.

The sea is rocking all around the boat, we've been forewarned that attacks and confusion will come from all sides. It's time to either run around with our skirts over our heads yelling fire and let evil scare us out of the safety of the boat, or we can sit down and be simple as children and Trust in Jesus' promise.

 

I have also been troubled by the comments of few folks here. I raised this a few weeks and was literally shouted down (all caps reply). At that point, I saw no point in continuing to engage as the opinions being expressed appear to go beyond just an uncomfortableness with the Pope's style to a real questioning of his authenticity to the faith and the church. If I have interpreted thus incorrectly, then I'm open to correction and certainly apologize. In any case, I think the resolution of this is ultimately up to Padraig.