Has Russia been Consecrated-Excellent read!

Our lady has been appearing in Medjugorje since 1981, I think the most obvious and simple solution would be if someone asked one of the visionaries there to ask Our lady if Russia was consecrated or not?
I don't understand why this hasn't been done before.

 

I think there is a certain danger of mixing up one site with another. So for instance to take the apparitions in say, Lourdes and use it to confirm say, Fatima.

The danger is that we could create a row of domino's which could all fall over. So if I say, 'Padre Pio said such and such an apparition was right and it is proved wrong, we begin to wonder about Padre Pio and so on.

it is better that each phenomena stand and fall on its own. One should not be used to comment on another. Each should stand and fall on their own right.

 

Thanks for the reply, but again I don't see the harm in asking. If our lady is there, she can confirm it and maybe answer numerous other questions aswell which could help us understand and shape the future of humanity.

 

No matter what side of the of the issue the visionaries would say Mary took it would only stir up huge controversary with many feeling alienated from Medugorje whatever she said.

That is why when Jesus , when asked if we should pay taxes to Caesar said, 'Render to Caesar that which is Caesar's'.

Sometimes no answer is an answer in itself.

 

I think we need to remember that Jesus and Mary do not come to earth to satisfy our curiosities. Listening to the visionaries of Medjugorje and Garabandal (and from other authentic apparitions), it is true that Jesus and Mary do respond, initially, to the understandbly childish questions they are first asked but soon the visionaries learn that these questions are inappropriate and they learn to listen instead.

With regard to a possible question about the Consecration, I think a more appropriate consideration would be that if this matter was as important as some suggest then we should perhaps ask why Mary does not raise the matter with the Medjugorje visionaries. I believe the answer is simply that Jesus and Mary know that Pope John Paul did his best to carry out the Consecration. It may be carried out more completely in the future but I feel personally sure that no authentic contemporary messages from heaven speak about the Consecration.

 

'I think a more appropriate consideration would be that if this matter was as important as some suggest then we should perhaps ask why Mary does not raise the matter with the Medjugorje visionaries'.

Exactly. I suspect the reason she does not raise it is that it would be imprudent to do so.

 

The Consecration of Russia by name has to do specifically with the purposes of the Fatima apparitions and messages and that is already approved. Why would people go looking elsewhere when this already approved event still is in the mind of so many today? Seculars and even atheists speak about the Third Secret of Fatima.

It just may be that the secrets of Medjugorje concern the consequences for the world and the Church for continuing to NOT obey our Lady's former requests since they allegedly will be the last time Mary appears, (one last chance) in THAT way, in the world. Perhaps if the Fatima requests HAD been done, and decades ago, we would not even need a Medjugorje today since the promised fruits would have been a world and Church in a much better shape!

 

Hey Padraig, I found this on another website. It seems that Medjugorje and Fatima are linked.
The second mention of Fatima is recorded in one of the “official” messages doucmented by the parish office and given to Marija by Our Lady on August 25, 1991.

The message reads: Dear children, today also I invite you to prayer, now as never before when my plan has begun to be realised. Satan is strong and wants to sweep away plans of peace and joy and make you think that my Son is not strong in his decisions. Therefore, I call all of you, dear children, to pray and fast still more firmly. I invite you to renunciation for nine days so that with your help everything I wanted to realize through the secrets I began at Fatima may be fulfilled. I call you dear children to understand now the importance of my coming and the seriousness of the situation. I desire to save all souls and to present them to God. Therefore, we pray that all that I have started may be completely realized in its fullness. Thank you for having responded to my call.

 

I think Marian sites are rather like the beads on the rosary; they are all part of the one conversation. I would be very wary of one that appeared not to be linked to the rest.

It is the same in a way for the Church. The Church is and of its very nature Conservative. By Conservative I mean it builds on as its found the best of the past, it conserves the best.

It is the same with mysticism, prayer and spirituality in general , I would beware of the innovative.

I think this is a very good signal of abuses of whatever type in the Church that it is innovative. So for instance some of abuses since Vatican 2 , say round Churches, the rape of the liturgy all these were innovations.

But when you go to examine a Marian apparition you expect a certain accent. That is an accent that echos the past, the many, many other apparitions. I suppose you could call this if you like a Conservative accent, an accent that builds on the past, that continues an ongoing conversation between Mother and Children.

This accent is very distinctive and hard to imitate.

 

A Newly Assertive Russia Jolts Norway’s Air Defenses Into Action

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/02/w...ts-norways-air-defenses-into-action.html?_r=0

Putin threat of nuclear showdown over Baltics

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4399758.ece

 

I don't mean to be nit-picky Padraig, but round Churches date back to Jesus' time. Some of the first churches were round. I saw many in Ukraine & Russia also. In Pisa there is a round Babtistry that is one of the most beautiful places I've ever been.

 

It's nice to see you back Marti.

I cannot speak for the East Marti but I believe in the West there were riles for Church architecture laid down by the Church itself:

http://www.sacredarchitecture.org/articles/dont_blame_vatican_ii/

 

Oh I agree with you Padraig! Some of the Western Churches are hideous and distract from the Eucharistic aspect of the Mass. In a round church you are actually looking at the people across the aisle and its distracting. I love buildings like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisa_Baptistry

The Church in Fatima is a travesty and built by a bunch of Masonic people who thought they were getting away with something. Ha! The last laugh is going to be on them eh??

 

There are so many falsehoods in this article.
Russia annexed/ invadedUkraine
Assad killed 100,000 of his own people
Etc....

It's basically the same old argument from the White house propaganda machine while adding a catholic Fatima spin to it. The USA s mainstream media has been demonizing Russia since 2011 because they don't go along with their global hegemonic plans.

 

I suppose this should be on a separate thread but on Church architecture...

I think towards the end of the 19th century Satan went to real war on the Church. We this, I believe in the vision of Pope Leo xiii on October 13, 1884 (do you see the Fatima connection here?)

http://www.stjosephschurch.net/leoxiii.htm

'The guttural voice, the voice of Satan in his pride, boasted to Our Lord: "I can destroy your Church." The gentle voice of Our Lord: "You can? Then go ahead and do so." Satan: "To do so, I need more time and more power." Our Lord: "How much time? How much power? Satan: "75 to 100 years, and a greater power over those who will give themselves over to my service." Our Lord: "You have the time, you will have the power. Do with them what you will.'

 

However Satan did not go into bat fully I suspect until around about the 1950s before the Vatican Council, it was then he fully raised the War Banner. He attacked the Church at any and all levels and one of these was Church architecture. In my opinion he had his immediate and most lasting success in three European countries , France, Germany and the Netherlands..and we can see the legacy of his huge victory there to this present day.

So if I ask myself how Satan won a victory in round Churches which kicked of in France in the new architecture in that era, how would I reply?

Well I am saved the trouble of replying because I see Fr. Longeneeker has already said it all.
Bless him.

They really are monstrosities.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2014/12/heres-why-you-hate-round-churches.html

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St. Joseph's RC Church T. E. Wilson, 1968

 

In Malachi Martin's 1992 book "The Keys of this Blood" (pg 630-631), he indicated the role of Russia with the comments :
i)"Russia, according to the text of the 'Third Secret,' was the regulator off the timetable."
ii)"Lucia's single-page written formulation of the "Third Secret" covers three main topics. (1) A Physical chastisement of the nations...(2) A spiritual chastisement...(3) A central function of Russia in the two ...(which)..In fact, the physical and spiritual chastisements, according to Lucia's letter, are to be gridded on a fateful timetable in which Russia is the ratchet."

It was the date of the book 1992 that caught my eye and i wondered if Malachi Martin had to wait until 1992 before publishing this book as pre 8th December 1991 there was no Country called Russia as pre this date it the USSR or the Soviet Union. (The USSR began 26th dec 1922 ended 8th Dec 1991)
I then began to think back to the Consecration of the World carried out by JP11 in 1984 and at the time there was no country in the word called Russia on any Map of the World. So could it be possible if Jp11 Consecrated the then known World he would have been consecrating the Soviet Union and not Russia without Specifying that countries name.
EUROPE 1990


EUROPE 1992

 

YES!! They are, in fact, Monstrosities and just another "Sign" of how the "Smoke of satan" became a wildfire after Vatican II was hijacked by Radicals and what was once considered good, sacred and inspiring was declared old fashioned (Bad) and soon the outgoing stampede of clergy/laity and empty pews in these Temples of Nothingness!! God forgive US for not Raising Hell about it All!! ........ and now comes The Deluge!!
GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!

 

I think Denis, the reason why we never kicked up might have been (at least here in Ireland) we were kind of brought up in the Church to simply let the clergy run things. Its kind of ironic that the whole thrust of Vatican 2 was for lay people to take the reins (at least a little bit in their own hands). I think at that period we may have fallen between two stools. The pre Vatican 2 way of things in which the lay people shut up and put up. ..and the way things are now in which lay people are at least listened to. So we had a period were radical clergy could more nor less do as they like..and they did.

But I think the bottom line is that the devil has been launching his fiercest attack in all history on the Church and often seems to be sweeping all before him.

But there are so many hugely good signs that come and go. EWTN was a really great one. I still love to listen to old Mother Angelica classics while doing the housework.

St Mother Teresa of Calcutta was another , back to basics in a big, big way,.

I also remember St Padre Pio watching his goings on with joy before he died just before Vatican 2 got into swing.

Also of course Saint Pope John Paul the Great and how he put the brakes on a lot of wrong things and headed us on in the right direction.

So many, many, many positives. May God send us many more Great saints to guide us through this terrible storm.