Gethsemane

Discussion in 'On prayer itself' started by padraig, Jan 20, 2019.

  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Last night at 3.am I woke up at three am and went to pray at once to Gethsemane. I think many, many people down the ages have been awoken like this and gp there to keep the suffering Lamb of God comfort in His Agony.

    But this time it was different. Instead of seeing Jesus kneeling in prayer it was as if I was in the trees above in a great darkness. All around me I heard strange sounds, like groans and murmerings and evil expectation and knew at once that a vast hoard of demons hovered there, looking down.

    Then, all at once I recalled the words of Scripture from St John that Light had entered the world but that darkness had not overcome it. That this was the epocal battle between Good and Evil and that it was in the Garden that Christ overcame evil.

    John 1:5

    The Beginning
    …4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. 6There came a man who was sent from God. His name was John.

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  2. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I think the world has been enveloped in the greatest darkness the world has very known - evil has come to reign.

    We must keep the lamp of the gospel lit in our hearts to await the arrival of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

    It would be so easy to let this light get extinguished through carelessness, indifference, or even despair for when we look around us in the world and in the church where is there hope?

    There is only one hope Salve Regina -- Mary, Hope of Christians.

    Let us all endeavour to take refuge in the ark of her Immaculate Heart.

    For if we are to be rescued and saved from this evil generation it will only be through the humble handmaid of the Lord.
     
  3. padraig

    padraig Powers

    One thing I have been thinking a lot of lately is on how short life is ,how very,very passing. Also of what follows after death, the Judgement and either heaven or hell.

    The old saints used to constantly harp on about these four last things. But for me it just naturally arises for me at my time of life.

    But another thing is occurring to me; how spiritually fragile we all are. We hover n this brief moment between birth and death and are forced to make a simple choice. Either to choose God and Eternal Life, or Hell and Eternal Death. There are just no in betweens.

     
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  4. AED

    AED Powers

    Amen.
     
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  5. AED

    AED Powers

    I too think on this often. My age of course but even years ago too thinking of that good advice to ponder death in order to live life for Our Lord. We are in a DANGEROUS time. I think all of us are having our faith tested in ever increasing trials. Garabandal is right. Mary Help of Christian's and Refuge of sinners is our North Star---"our ever fix'd star" to get us through it.
     
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  6. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yes. Pope Benedict wrote about this. He said we would be a much , much, much smaller Church, but much, much , much more holy. In fact he said only mystics would preserve the Faith'

    So it is turning out to be.

    https://aleteia.org/2016/06/13/when-cardinal-joseph-ratzinger-predicted-the-future-of-the-church/

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    Laying it out in a 1969 broadcast on German radio ...
    He didn’t pretend he could tell the future. No. He was much too wise for that. As a matter of fact, he tempered his initial remarks with this disclaimer:

    “Let us, therefore, be cautious in our prognostications. What St. Augustine said is still true: man is an abyss; what will rise out of these depths, no one can see in advance. And whoever believes that the Church is not only determined by the abyss that is man, but reaches down into the greater, infinite abyss that is God, will be the first to hesitate with his predictions, for this naïve desire to know for sure could only be the announcement of his own historical ineptitude.”

    But his era, brimming with existential danger, political cynicism and moral waywardness, hungered for an answer. The Catholic Church, a moral beacon in the turbulent waters of its time, had recently experienced certain changes of its own with adherents and dissenters alike wondering, “What will become of the Church in the future?”

    10 Pithy and Potent Quotes from Pope Benedict

    And so, in a 1969 German radio broadcast, Father Joseph Ratzinger would offer his thoughtfully considered answer. Here are his concluding remarks,

    “The future of the Church can and will issue from those whose roots are deep and who live from the pure fullness of their faith. It will not issue from those who accommodate themselves merely to the passing moment or from those who merely criticize others and assume that they themselves are infallible measuring rods; nor will it issue from those who take the easier road, who sidestep the passion of faith, declaring false and obsolete, tyrannous and legalistic, all that makes demands upon men, that hurts them and compels them to sacrifice themselves. To put this more positively: The future of the Church, once again as always, will be reshaped by saints, by men, that is, whose minds probe deeper than the slogans of the day, who see more than others see, because their lives embrace a wider reality. Unselfishness, which makes men free, is attained only through the patience of small daily acts of self-denial. By this daily passion, which alone reveals to a man in how many ways he is enslaved by his own ego, by this daily passion and by it alone, a man’s eyes are slowly opened. He sees only to the extent that he has lived and suffered. If today we are scarcely able any longer to become aware of God, that is because we find it so easy to evade ourselves, to flee from the depths of our being by means of the narcotic of some pleasure or other. Thus our own interior depths remain closed to us. If it is true that a man can see only with his heart, then how blind we are!

    “How does all this affect the problem we are examining? It means that the big talk of those who prophesy a Church without God and without faith is all empty chatter. We have no need of a Church that celebrates the cult of action in political prayers. It is utterly superfluous. Therefore, it will destroy itself. What will remain is the Church of Jesus Christ, the Church that believes in the God who has become man and promises us life beyond death. The kind of priest who is no more than a social worker can be replaced by the psychotherapist and other specialists; but the priest who is no specialist, who does not stand on the [sidelines], watching the game, giving official advice, but in the name of God places himself at the disposal of man, who is beside them in their sorrows, in their joys, in their hope and in their fear, such a priest will certainly be needed in the future.

    “Let us go a step farther. From the crisis of today the Church of tomorrow will emerge — a Church that has lost much. She will become small and will have to start afresh more or less from the beginning. She will no longer be able to inhabit many of the edifices she built in prosperity. As the number of her adherents diminishes, so it will lose many of her social privileges. In contrast to an earlier age, it will be seen much more as a voluntary society, entered only by free decision. As a small society, it will make much bigger demands on the initiative of her individual members. Undoubtedly it will discover new forms of ministry and will ordain to the priesthood approved Christians who pursue some profession. In many smaller congregations or in self-contained social groups, pastoral care will normally be provided in this fashion. Along-side this, the full-time ministry of the priesthood will be indispensable as formerly. But in all of the changes at which one might guess, the Church will find her essence afresh and with full conviction in that which was always at her center: faith in the triune God, in Jesus Christ, the Son of God made man, in the presence of the Spirit until the end of the world. In faith and prayer she will again recognize the sacraments as the worship of God and not as a subject for liturgical scholarship.

    “The Church will be a more spiritual Church, not presuming upon a political mandate, flirting as little with the Left as with the Right. It will be hard going for the Church, for the process of crystallization and clarification will cost her much valuable energy. It will make her poor and cause her to become the Church of the meek. The process will be all the more arduous, for sectarian narrow-mindedness as well as pompous self-will will have to be shed. One may predict that all of this will take time. The process will be long and wearisome as was the road from the false progressivism on the eve of the French Revolution — when a bishop might be thought smart if he made fun of dogmas and even insinuated that the existence of God was by no means certain — to the renewal of the nineteenth century. But when the trial of this sifting is past, a great power will flow from a more spiritualized and simplified Church. Men in a totally planned world will find themselves unspeakably lonely. If they have completely lost sight of God, they will feel the whole horror of their poverty. Then they will discover the little flock of believers as something wholly new. They will discover it as a hope that is meant for them, an answer for which they have always been searching in secret.

    “And so it seems certain to me that the Church is facing very hard times. The real crisis has scarcely begun. We will have to count on terrific upheavals. But I am equally certain about what will remain at the end: not the Church of the political cult, which is dead already, but the Church of faith. It may well no longer be the dominant social power to the extent that she was until recently; but it will enjoy a fresh blossoming and be seen as man’s home, where he will find life and hope beyond death.

    The Catholic Church will survive in spite of men and women, not necessarily because of them. And yet, we still have our part to do. We must pray for and cultivate unselfishness, self-denial, faithfulness, Sacramental devotion and a life centered on Christ.
     
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