Gaza and Israel: The Start of WWIII, or an Isolated Conflict?

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Booklady, Oct 20, 2023.

  1. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I'm still struggling through E. Michael Jones' huge 'Jewish Revolutionary Spirit'. He describes in great detail, with copious supporting references, two millenia of behaviour by many Jews not dissimilar to what you describe above. He also takes care to point out that many Jews do not behave in this manner, but it is still typical of a large proportion of them.
     
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  2. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    Jenin is in the occupied West Bank. The perpetual victims paid a visit to the church there at dawn a couple of Sundays ago: https://lpj.org/en/news/msgr-shomali-from-jenin-which-dreams-of-a-just-and-comprehensive

    The Zionists really are intent on ridding the Holy Land of all non Jews any way they can achieve it. Well, not all non-Jews. They'll probably draft in people from countries like the Philippines to do the servile work the Palestinians were once privileged to carry out for them.

    Meanwhile, there are faithful keeping hope alive. The website of the Latin Patriarchate gives some details about the parishes that are visited by the Patriarch.
    https://lpj.org/en/news/pastoral-visit-to-taybeh-christ-is-the-center
    https://lpj.org/en/news/get-to-know-the-taybeh-parish
     
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  3. AED

    AED Powers

    There is nothing of this in the news here. Vandalizing a Church---sure doesn't sound like the "noble IDF" does it?
     
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  4. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    Who controls the media?

    I suppose the Zionists and their political puppets consider it freedom of religion that they didn't raid the church during Mass. Not that it would matter anyway because only the Evangelicals vote en masse according to their faith. The overwhelming majority of Palestinian Christians belong to churches with apostolic succession and the Evangelicals probably don't regard them as Christian.

    But all is good. Bill Maher says that the Israelis look just like him and share his values and he has the inside track on Palestine. No fear of Bill being cancelled.
     
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  5. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    I suppose in the case of the violation of the fundamental rights of Palestinian Christians; the international left will find the words to make a very explicit condemnation, even if it did not do so in Ukraine, and not that I think that a disgrace of this level will produce anything good, but at least it can serve to awaken the Christians who supported the violation of human rights of Christians in Ukraine, to the point of saying that any criticism about this is some kind of Russophobia, the same case applies if Israel uses cluster bombs in its "special operation" against Hamas; that crosses the path of those who have no relationship with it. Perhaps this serves to condemn what Russia did to Ukraine in the first months of the war.
     
  6. miker

    miker Powers

    We can also look all the way back… the first converts were the apostles themselves and of course Saul…now St Paul! I believe in one of letters he was so distraught over his own people not coming to know and believe in Christ.
     
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  7. AED

    AED Powers

    :cry::mad:
     
  8. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Maher's statement that one of the primary reasons to identify with the Jews is that they 'look just like him' is the very definition of crude racism.
     
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  9. padraig

    padraig Powers

    St Paul promises in Scripture that the Jews will come to the Faith. Not only return but lead us

    Thus is a Scriptural promise and so is certain.

    But the only way this can happen is like grapes that must be crushed to bring the wine.

    What they are doing at the moment is suicidal, so they may well be on the immediate hallway to their conversion
     
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  10. miker

    miker Powers

    Yes, I think St. Paul’s Letter to Romans, Chapter 9 is a good one to reflect upon :


    This is the truth and I am speaking in Christ, without pretence, as my conscience testifies for me in the Holy Spirit;

    9:2 there is great sorrow and unremitting agony in my heart:

    9:3 I could pray that I myself might be accursed and cut off from Christ, if this could benefit the brothers who are my own flesh and blood.

    9:4 They are Israelites; it was they who were adopted as children, the glory was theirs and the covenants; to them were given the Law and the worship of God and the promises.

    9:5 To them belong the fathers and out of them, so far as physical descent is concerned, came Christ who is above all, God, blessed for ever. Amen.

    9:6 It is not that God's promise has failed. Not all born Israelites belong to Israel,

    9:7 and not all the descendants of Abraham count as his children, for Isaac is the one through whom your Name will be carried on.

    9:8 That is, it is not by being children through physical descent that people become children of God; it is the children of the promise that are counted as the heirs.

    9:9 The actual words of the promise were: I shall come back to you at this season, and Sarah will have a son.

    9:10 Even more to the point is what was said to Rebecca when she was pregnant by our ancestor, Isaac,

    9:11 before her children were born, so that neither had yet done anything either good or bad, but in order that it should be God's choice which prevailed

    9:12 -not human merit, but his call -- she was told: the elder one will serve the younger.

    9:13 Or as scripture says elsewhere: I loved Jacob but hated Esau.

    9:14 What should we say, then? That God is unjust? Out of the question!

    9:15 For speaking to Moses, he said: I am gracious to those to whom I am gracious and I take pity on those on whom I take pity.

    9:16 So it is not a matter of what any person wants or what any person does, but only of God having mercy.

    9:17 Scripture says to Pharaoh: I raised you up for this reason, to display my power in you and to have my name talked of throughout the world.

    9:18 In other words, if God wants to show mercy on someone, he does so, and if he wants to harden someone's heart, he does so.

    9:19 Then you will ask me, 'How then can he ever blame anyone, since no one can oppose his will?'

    9:20 But you -- who do you think you, a human being, are, to answer back to God? Something that was made, can it say to its maker: why did you make me this shape?

    9:21 A potter surely has the right over his clay to make out of the same lump either a pot for special use or one for ordinary use.

    9:22 But suppose that God, although all the time he wanted to reveal his retribution and demonstrate his power, has with great patience gone on putting up with those who are the instruments of his retribution and designed to be destroyed;

    9:23 so that he may make known the glorious riches ready for the people who are the instruments of his faithful love and were long ago prepared for that glory.

    9:24 We are that people, called by him not only out of the Jews but out of the gentiles too.

    9:25 Just as he says in the book of Hosea: I shall tell those who were not my people, 'You are my people,' and I shall take pity on those on whom I had no pity.

    9:26 And in the very place where they were told, 'You are not my people,' they will be told that they are 'children of the living God'.

    9:27 And about Israel, this is what Isaiah cried out: Though the people of Israel are like the sand of the sea, only a remnant will be saved;

    9:28 for without hesitation or delay the Lord will execute his sentence on the earth.

    9:29 As Isaiah foretold: Had the Lord Sabaoth not left us a few survivors, we should be like Sodom, we should be the same as Gomorrah.

    9:30 What should we say, then? That the gentiles, although they were not looking for saving justice, found it, and this was the saving justice that comes of faith;

    9:31 while Israel, looking for saving justice by law-keeping, did not succeed in fulfilling the Law.

    9:32 And why? Because they were trying to find it in actions and not in faith, and so they stumbled over the stumbling-stone-

    9:33 as it says in scripture: Now I am laying in Zion a stumbling-stone, a rock to trip people up; but he who relies on this will not be brought to disgrace.
     
  11. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Has anyone ever thought that since the events of Jesus' death, resurrection and Ascension, Jerusalem has become the indivisible seat of Christ's throne; She was the first apostolic see, and that's why Jews and Muslims never managed to achieve peace, and not even the Knights Templar managed to establish a definitive reign there?
     
  12. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Great thought
     
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