Discussion in 'GARABANDAL LIBRARY' started by Glenn, Aug 18, 2017.

  1. Glenn

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    The Synod and the popes trip to Moscow are both before the Warning. It is "possible " that the event/schism could be before the Warning but I am leaning toward after because Conchita gave her brother a clue as to the "event" so he could figure out the Miracle date ,AFTER the event happened.
  2. John T

    John T Principalities

    And if I may add that IF the Schism is between the Warning and Miracle it will be short lived being that the event in the church that is prophesied on the day of the Miracle “could be” the unification of the Christian Churches to the Holy Roman Catholic Church. So a spilt- then a unification. Time will tell. Prayers. Peace! Our Lady Of Mt. Carmel de Garabandal, Pray For Us!
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  3. Steve79

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    Thank you again!
    This will be my last questions for the moment :)

    I know from previous explanations of you, that without a trip to Moscow, the Warning actually can´t occur. Has the synod mentioned a similar importance?

    I probably do not understand it properly, but I don´t understand how you conclude out of this that the event will be after the Warning?

    So, from a “logical point of view” based on existing informations, the hypothesis that the synode already took place in 2015 and the event/schism will originate from the dubia, can not be completely ruled out?

    If I have formulated something rude, be sure it was not my intention, I can´t do it better.
    I appreciate your work and knowledge. Many thanks for your answers!
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  4. John T

    John T Principalities

    In re to the Synods-there were two. The last one being in 2015. The Phrophecy is: “shortly” after A SYNOD the Warning will take place. 2015 is no longer “Shortly” in my view, ESPECIALLY due to the fact there are now 2 MORE Scheduled Synods at this time-to come-1 in Oct of 2018 and 1 Oct 2019. One of those two COULD be the Synod before the Warning BUT only time will tell. But the 2015 is NOT that Synod due to the aforementioned. Peace!
  5. Glenn

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    First of all the synod of 2015 is not involved in the prophecy , as nothing happened after it. Secondly we have two more synods scheduled 2018 & 2019, both could be candidates as the "pre-warning " synod. Third, the reason I concluded that the "event " happens after the Warning is that once the Warning happens, it will be much easier to predict the Miracle date, especially that Serafin had a clue as to the type of event , that would preempt the Miracle.
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  6. non sum dignus

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    My understanding (correct me if I am wrong) is that Conchita gave her brother a clue (event in the Church /possibly a schism) to let him know that the warning and/or the Miracle was certain to take place sometime after... Not so he could figure out the exact date. Her brother at this point was questioning if the apparitions were even taking place. My understanding is that the clue/event was for him to know for certain the miricle and/or warning would take place.
    "you didn't tell me anything like the date. You told me a thing, a happening, which if it occurs will let me know the Miracle is coming"
    The synod which takes place "shortly"' before the warning (according to mother Nieves Garcia) calling it a pre-warning.

    If you look at the history of Garabandal, Conchita has repeatedly said over the decades (when asked when the miricle will come) that it is "soon".
    "Soon" can mean decades.

    So the synod occurring two years, or five years before the warning could easily be seen as "shortly" before the warning.

    The 2014 synod was the 3rd "extrordinary" synod for the whole church...Bishops from around the world. To discuss challenges facing the family.
    The 2015 synod was an "ordinary" synod dealing with the same topic.
    Both were world-wide, not regional synods.

    The upcoming scheduled synods are for a particular region.
  7. non sum dignus

    non sum dignus Archangels

    I agree with you.
    The synod proceeds the warning.
    I would doubt it would only be a regional synod.
    If a split or apostasy takes place as a result of the synods of 2014/2015, and the aftermath (apostolic letter, Dubia, and possible formal correction of the Pope), this might be the event prior to the Warning and/or Miracle.

    I believe there is some confusion (for some) as to whether or not the "event" that Conchita told her brother about is the same "happy event" in the Church which comes on the same date as the Miracle. It is also uncertain if the event she told her brother about proceeds the Warning or if it only proceeds the Miracle.
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  8. Glenn

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    October 18, 1961-- 56 years ago today, Mary sent her first warning to us . Sadly the world has not heeded her words. Hopefully the “Warning & Miracle” will change the hearts of this selfish world.
    “We must make many sacrifices, perform much penance, and visit the Blessed Sacrament frequently. But first, we must lead good lives. If we do not, a chastisement will befall us. The cup is already filling up, and if we do not change, a very great chastisement will come upon us. “

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  9. Glenn

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    Film footage of that day: OCTOBER 18,1961
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  10. Glenn

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    The Blessed Virgin wanted the Message read in front of the church.

    It was on this liturgical and extremely meaningful day (see note at end of this message) that, at 10 P.M. at the Pines, the visionaries read the (first) Message of Garabandal. It was a formal, public and explicit Message which, on the previous June 24, had appeared in large writing at the feet of the Angel. These were all new and original elements carrying biblical overtones. A message of salvation, the principal revelation of Garabandal, was being given to the world. The Blessed Virgin who, as early as on the previous July 2, had asked the girls if they had understood its meaning, was thus straightaway manifesting the primary intention of her "visit."
    The Message, apparently "childish and infantile," conceals, in fact, a powerful prophetic and evangelical charge of universal scope. It calls upon the unavoidable responsibility of every human moral conscience, that of the Christian as that of the unbeliever. It already makes reflect the interior light of the "Splendor of Truth" (God) on man and the quality of his heart, and finally on the whole world.
    On this October 18, 1961, at San Sebastian de Garabandal, the weather itself was to testify in its own way to the twofold aspect of the Message: a torrential rain fell all day on the village; it hailed, it snowed, the thundery rain never stopped rumbling and the thunder itself reverberating. Must we impute that to chance? Or was this not a very special reminder of the theophanies of the Old Covenant, e.g. that of the Exodus and of Mount Sinai? . . . On the other hand, at the moment when the Message was about to be proclaimed and translated into various languages, a strong wind blew in the valley, chased away all the clouds and revealed a bright moon shining in the sky!
    An ecstasy followed the reading of this first Message. Our Lady then announced to Conchita, definitively this time, that a great Miracle was certain to come.
    Father Ramon Maria Andreu was the first person to whom the visionary spoke of this miracle, on the morning of the next day. Back from the Pines, totally downhearted and bewildered by the simplicity of the "little" Message, Ramon had been called first by Mari-Loli and then by Conchita after the ecstasy of the evening of this 18th of October, 1961. They repeated to him what the Blessed Virgin had revealed to them about him: that is, the details of his extremely painful interior states and the exact sites where he had felt them. The next day, as we saw, Conchita assured him that the Blessed Virgin had sent her to console him in that "there would be a Miracle. However, I still do not know what it will be, or when it will come."
    Note: How one could not discern here the profound spiritual meaning of the choice of "October 18" for the first Message to be given at San Sebastian de Garabandal, that is on the very Feastday of the evangelist (and author of the Acts of the Apostles), whose very attractive and accessible personality is already so marvelously adapted to contemporary men and women? The first Message displays some connection with the essential characteristics of the hagiographer's writings: Luke's sincere attachment to the person of Mary, Mother of the Redeemer; his universal call to the radical Message, which is the Gospel; his exhortation to conversion and to change (metanoia), to repentance, to prayer and to the spirit of poverty; his delight in the spirit; his insistence on the authentic divine kindliness and mercy, on the preaching of the Gospel to the entire world within the framework of the mystery and the time of the Church, and his interest for everything that concerns the mystery of the salvation of Israel; his theological and eschatological hope already existentially existing between an already acquired salvation and one that is not yet fully accomplished; finally his recall of the possibility of a fair condemnation, the mysterious counter-picture of a jealous divine Love for the human being, symbolized in Scripture but also in the two Messages of Garabandal, by the image of the "Cup of the Wrath of God." However, this Wrath will come to bear only after the patient delays of His Mercy.
    [Excerpted from 'Garabandal' Book, page 109.]
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  11. Glenn

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    As today is the 56th anniversary of our Blessed Mother's first message at Garabandal, it made me think of what I want to convey as the MOST important message of this apparitions, and I think Conchita summed it nicely (as she always does ).
    At age 16 Conchita was already was spiritually wise: "There is no point in our believing in the apparitions if we do not heed the message."
    “To guess at dates regarding the [prophesied] Miracle shows a lack of faith in the Blessed Virgin .Indeed, the energies expended on this are so much better spent on living the Message! “
    (Star on the Mountain, p. 118 )

    March 2013 Glenn’s conversation
    With all of the arguing over which of the different visionary’s is right, predicting dates, the future of our new Pope, the direction of the church, I've learned one thing, its all distracting, and detracting from our spiritual goals. The best advice I ever got was from Conchita ( when I asked her about the direction of all these things) ,she talked about maintaining your spiritual life (Confession, penance ,mass, communion, the rosary, etc. ) and she said
    " I surround my self with good people, pray and don't worry " .
    ( Sounds like she took the advice of Mary & her friend Padre Pio )
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  12. Glenn

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    Today in Garabandal history:
    October 19 1966

    Conchita enters as a boarder, a school operated by the religious of the Concepcionistas Misioneras de la Ensañanza. The directress of the college, was Sr. María Nieves García .

    In her remarks, Mother Nieves said "Finally they brought Conchita to me. My impression was excellent: simple and candid, with an unusual and penetrating look; I was pleased.Feeling herself strange to everything, Conchita came to the college in such a bad state that she had to struggle very hard. And furthermore she constantly had to hide her identity. She needed a friend in whom she could confide everything that she was holding inside, to whom she would be able to unburden her worries and speak of "everything that had happened" naturally and simply. Because of this, I told her that she could come to see me in my free hours whenever she wanted to. I left this completely to her preference; I never called for her myself . "
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    Conchita’s Locution with Jesus regarding Heaven
    ( July 20, 1963 )

    Conchita─ Will I go to heaven?
    And He answered me:
    Jesus ─ You should love much and pray to Our Hearts.

    C─ When will You give me a Cross?

    J─ What will I be? [This is another of Conchita’s worries—her destiny. That is,to discern the designs God has for her life. For awhile now, she has been questioning whether she has a religious vocation, and she frequently asks the apparition about it, but—according to her own words—the Virgin has never responded in the affirmative.
    In the same way, during this locution Our Lord keeps his silence when asked the question “What will I be?” Conchita has always received confirmation of her suffering and of the cross, wherever she is.]
    He didn’t answer me. He only told me that everywhere that I would be, I would have much to suffer.
    I said to Him:

    C─ Am I going to die soon?

    J─ You have to stay on earth to help the world. [This seems to be a clear announcement of a “concrete” vocation; it is a call to live in the world and not in a convent].
    And I said to Him:

    C─ I am very small. I couldn’t help in anything.

    J─ With your prayers and sufferings, you will help the world.

    C─ When does one go to heaven? When one dies? [This question seems rather childish. Conchita’s lack of education makes some of her questions seem simple, as though they don’t correspond to her age. In contrast, the response is profoundly astonishing.]

    J─ One never dies. (I thought that we didn’t go to heaven until we were resurrected).
    C- I asked Him if St. Peter was at the gate of heaven to receive us. He told me” no.”
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  17. Booklady

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    God bless you, Glenn, for your ministry here. Thank you for your faithfulness and steadfastness.
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  18. Glenn

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    SAINT (Pope) John Paul II - on Garabandal
    There is a book on Garabandal, written by Albrecht Weber in 1993, entitled Garabandal Der Zeigefmger Gottes (Garabandal: The Finger of God), of which a first edition copy was presented to Pope John Paul II. He later asked his secretary, Fr. (now Archbishop) Stanislaus Dziwisz, to write to the author. In the subsequent printing (2000) of the book, on page 19, a portion of the Pope's message is reprinted, as follows:"May God reward you for everything. Especially for the deep love with which you are making the events connected with Garabandal more widely known. May the Message of the Mother of God find an entrance into hearts before it is too late. As an expression of joy and gratitude, the Holy Father gives you his apostolic blessing."Weber writes, "From the attached greeting in the Pope's own handwriting, with his signature, it is clear how deep an interest he has in the events of Garabandal, and how anxious he is that they should be made known in a credible way."
    On July 23, 1988, during a special general audience with the Pope at the Vatican ... "special" because it was held on Saturday, rather than the usual Wednesday... Father Robert introduced Garabandal Visionary Mari-Loli and family to him. Father Robert who was holding 7 year old Maria Dolores, one of the three Lafleur children, said to the Pope: "Your Holiness, a special blessing for your littlest children who come on behalf of The Blessed Virgin from Garabandal." Our Holy Father exclaimed "Garabandal!"
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  19. Glenn

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    Every last Thursday of the month, the Pastor of Garabandal offers a Mass for prayer requests. You have a few days to send your request by Wednesday, so it arrives on time.

    Requests sent using this form in Spanish ( below ) are received in the email address of the Parish.
    Then printed and delivered every Thursday the Pastor, to be deposited in an urn at the foot of the altar , through the intercession of Our Lady of Carmel, before the Blessed Sacrament exposed in the Chapel of San Sebastian de Garabandal.

    I have downloaded the English explanation, but you might want to use " Google Translate" or something like that to send your prayers in Spanish so they can read it.

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    Reprinted with kind permission from GARABANDAL JOURNAL July-August 2004

    THE PASSION "Fix your gaze upon the Passion of my Son." --- Our Lady to Faustina (Diary, 449) "Think about the Passion of Jesus," --- Message of Our Lady, June 18, 1966
    APPEARANCE OF OUR LADY "I saw the Mother of God in a white garment and blue mantle with her head uncovered." (August 15, 1935) (Diary, 468) "The Blessed Virgin appears with a white dress, blue mantle and a crown of small golden stars." [but no head covering] --- Conchita's Diary (On one occasion Our Lady appeared as above however without her crown.)

    HUMILITY AND SIMPLICITY "I keep company with you as a child to teach you humility and simplicity." --- Our Lord explaining to Faustina why He sometimes appeared to her as the Child Jesus (Diary, 184) "Love humility, simplicity." --- locution of Conchita with Our Lord, February 13, 1966

    NOT FOR YOU ALONE "The graces I grant you are not for you alone, but for a great number of other souls as well." --- Our Lord to Faustina (Diary, 723) "I have not come for you; I have come for everybody." --- Our Lord to Conchita, July 20, 1963

    ABORTION "I was seized with such violent pains that I had to go to bed at once ... Jesus had me realize that in this way I took part in His Agony in the Garden, and that He Himself allowed these sufferings in order to offer reparation to God for the souls murdered in the wombs of wicked mothers." --- September 16, 1937 (Diary, 1276) "Can you imagine how somebody could kill children in the womb without thereby killing the mother? ... Well, the Blessed Mother spoke about this and she let me know that this will happen with the overflowing of the chalice [of iniquity]." --- Conchita to Albrecht Weber of Germany, November 14, 1965.

    HUMBLE AND PROUD "He [God] is well pleased only with the humble; He always opposes the proud." --- Our Lady to Faustina (Diary, 1711) "What God loves most is humility; what most displeases Him is pride." --- Words of Our Lady at Garabandal as recounted by Conchita to Sister Maria Nieves in Burgos on April 19, 1967

    COMMUNION FROM AN ANGEL "I saw at my bedside a Seraph who gave me Holy Communion ... This was repeated for thirteen days..." (Diary, 1676) "[T]he angel appeared to us with a goblet that looked like gold ... and then he gave us Holy Communion. He gave us Holy Communion over a long period of time." --- Conchita's Diary .

    from GARABANDAL JOURNAL, July-August 2004

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