As Padraig has now decided that anyone "openly and publicly supporting heresy and apostasy promulgated by the Vatican" must cease to do so and that he is not prepared to "allow heretical posts by open apostates" (meaning me), then it seems I have to finally stop posting on this forum. There was an inevitability about all this but I have done my best to defend God's chosen head of the Church on earth. The Church is certainly badly divided at the moment but to the faithful on this forum I would just say, make sure you don't find yourselves on the wrong side.
Souls are at stake. Decisions must be made. When we stand before Christ we won't be judged on how well we accommodated false notions of "free speech"; in the Catholic world error has no rights. We'll be judged on whether we loved God and loved the Truth and cared enough for souls that we were willing to protect them from grave error, regardless of how popular it was to do so.
At this time it is necessary for those in support of heresy to give their weak arguments and let others see them for what they are in light of the truths of scripture and the 2000 years of unchanging magisterial teachings. It might not help those who are manifest in their persuit of false papal allegence, but at this time there are still a few left out there that will show up and see the clear defining difference in the arguments laid out by those who support apostasy and those who reject it. If only one more soul comes to their senses and sees the light, of what even current prophecy is saying, then it is worth letting thise who bring a "new truth" expose their feelings against scripture and magisterial teachings. There will be a time when either you have to close the dissent off or the internet closes your truth forum off for good, but I don't think it is quite time yet IMHO.
France passes law imposing up to two years prison for running pro-life websites https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/france-approves-restrictive-law-targeting-pro-life-websites
http://www.lastampa.it/2017/01/22/v...cy-embrace-j7Wra0gHXbMppRm8A7CsRL/pagina.html I read the above link provided by davidtlig. It is a well written article and very persuasive . I will tell you, I had a knot in my stomach several paragraphs into it. That knot never went away. In the end, it is an editorial, an opinion extrapolated out. Editorials are designed to sway people in a certain direction. I remember when AL first came out. I listen to Catholic radio daily so I heard people's "takes" and opinions on it for weeks. I read it when it came out in English. It was a beautiful document as a whole. But certain parts gave me a knot in my stomach and little read flags popped up. What I found interesting is that the Catholic world seemed to, at first, tap dance and try and explain the difficult passages to uphold the doctrines. They kept saying he wasn't changing doctrine. And it appears he isn't. But as time has moved forward, more and more people are having difficulty with it. Why is that? When a student struggles with understanding, doesn't a teacher try to explain that concept to make it more clear? Is the pope above explaining? I am not being flippant when I ask that. I have read several opinion pieces that say the pope owes no one an explanation as he is the pope. I wholeheartedly disagree. I want clarity. He wants more "pastoral" care but he is not being a very good pastor, imo, at least for some. Sometimes I wonder if the pope is so busy gathering this one particular group he is allowing another, equally as populated group, to wander away from the flock and be lost. I continue to be confused and I dislike being confused.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/i...sm-ewtn-panel-analyzes-current-disaster-in-th ‘It gives the feeling of a schism’: EWTN panel analyzes current ‘disaster’ in the Church February 17, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – On Thursday, Raymond Arroyo, canon laywer Father Gerald Murray, and The Catholic Thing's Robert Royal presented a somber analysis of the confusion caused by Amoris Laetitia. Arroyo featured Murray and Royal as guests on his EWTN show The World Over, where the three discussed the "odd" move of the pope's nine advisors pledging their allegiance to him this week. "This highly unusual vote of confidence comes at a serious time, a time of tension at the Vatican as major concerns are being raised about the direction of papal teaching and curial reform," said Arroyo. "I’ve never seen anything like this sort of a pledge of confidence. I mean, Parliament’s done this in England, but I’ve never seen it done at the Vatican." "It’s very odd when you have a vote of full confidence in a pope," said Royal. "In the entire history of the Church I don’t think this has ever happened before. Yet...it was felt necessary. So there must be – even among that very close group of advisors – there must be a sense that they needed to affirm something because of a threat that seems to be from the outside. And it’s not just Cardinal Burke…The joke is often that when you, in a parliamentary system, express full confidence in someone, it’s at the point where they’re about to be dismissed from office." "Things got strange" at the "much-publicized release of a booklet purporting to be an official response to the questions surrounding Amoris Laetitia," Arroyo explained. Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, President of the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legal Texts, "failed to show up at his own press conference" and then attendees were told the booklet is not an official response to questions about the dubia. In this booklet, Coccopalmerio writes that Catholics living in adulterous unions "must be given" Holy Communion. "Father Murray, what is this, in your estimation, and are good intentions enough to receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church?" Arroyo asked. "This is really a disaster, I’ll say it straight out," Murray replied. "It’s a direct contradiction of what the Church has always taught, of what John Paul II, now St. John Paul, taught in Familiaris Consortio and in subsequent documents. The idea that you would say people who are living in an adulterous union are not exactly models of Catholic marriage but nonetheless they should be given Communion – this is casting aside the message of the Gospel." Catholic teaching is clear and simple, the canon lawyer explained: "Holy Communion is the Bread of Life given to those who approach the altar in the proper disposition, which means if you’re committing mortal sin, you go to Confession. If you’re planning on committing a mortal sin in the days ahead, then you can’t go to Confession ’cause you can’t repent...there are a lot of slogans, a lot of euphemisms. Holy Communion should not be received by people who are objectively contradicting the truth of Christ." "We have yet again the highest levels except for the very highest level saying contradictory things that…as Father said, contradict the entire tradition of the Church," said Royal. "The only way that this can be resolved is for the Holy Father himself to step forward. I’ve said this before. After Humanae Vitae, when Paul VI took a very unpopular position about contraception affirming the [Church's] teaching, there was controversy all over the place but there was no doubt about what he said." The panel explained that at this point, only Pope Francis can clarify the confusion, but that doesn't seem likely any time in the near future. Murray said "pastoral charity" requires the pope to intervene and affirm the Church's perennial teaching on marriage and the Sacraments. "You’re not allowed to commit adultery," said Murray. "That’s the sixth commandment. One thing that really puzzles me in this whole discussion is the resistance to describing things as they are. Adultery means adultery...'irregular' has all kinds of meanings. We’re talking about Gospel truth here. The Lord reaffirmed quite clearly...‘the man who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery.’ We should have Gospel frankness here. That’s what the pope has called for, and I agree with Bob – the only one who can solve this debate is Pope Francis and I think, you know, as an appeal to him from a pastor in the trenches, pastoral charity requires that he solve all of these confusing doubts because no one is in good shape when you have one cardinal criticizing another and then priests like me having to get on TV and tell people, ‘no, things don’t change even though a cardinal says it changes.’ This is confusing." Royal explained how intellectually dishonest it is for promoters of adultery to accuse those who defend Catholic teaching of being "pharisees." "Because, it’s Jesus who made this rule" against divorce and remarriage, he said. "It was a rule that was shocking to the Pharisees under the strict Jews of this time. This is something that has always been taught by the church. We now have a conflict not just between existing cardinals but it’s made to appear as if people who remain faithful to the teaching are somehow themselves Pharisees – the ones that Jesus was contradicting with this very teaching that they’re trying to defend." "There’s something very odd going on here," warned Royal, "and I would have to say that this can only get worse as time goes on, as various people take one side or the other in what has to be determined at the very highest level of the Church." This "gives the feeling of a schism," Arroyo remarked. "It’s not a schism, but it gives the feeling of one." Arroyo said that a "fairly common" question now is "if there is schism, is the Church automatically on the side of the Pope? How do we discern which side is correct?" "This is a very difficult question, because we’ve never had a circumstance with a pope obstinately teaching something that seems to be contradictory to the longstanding, permanent tradition of the Catholic Church," said Royal. "I think that we’ll find ourselves sorting this out and it’s gonna be very, very painful. It may go on for decades. Things like this have happened in the past...I don’t think there’s any automatic mechanism here, or automatic principle that you can apply." Murray said his "prayer and hope" is that Pope Francis will "pull back" and acknowledge "it’s a mistake to go this way" of trying to change a doctrine that can't be changed. A full transcript of the panel's discussion is below.
RAYMOND ARROYO: And Pope Francis’s top advisers rallied to his defense this week in a first. The nine Cardinals from around the world who were appointed by Francis to advise him on running the church went out of their way in a public show of support for the pope and his teachings. The Council of Cardinals released a statement pledging its full support for the Pope’s work and its adhesion and loyalty to the figure of the pope and his magisterium. This highly unusual vote of confidence comes at a serious time, a time of tension at the Vatican as major concerns are being raised about the direction of papal teaching and curial reform. More on all of this later with the papal posse… Meanwhile, the controversy over a papal teaching document on Communion for divorced and civilly remarried Catholics continues. Another Vatican official attempts to explain the document contradicting other Holy See interpretations. Where are we? The papal posse Robert Royal and father Gerald Murray join me to explain [when] the world over continues… Welcome back to the world over. In Rome there was a much-publicized release of a booklet purporting to be an official response to the questions surrounding Amoris Laetitia. Then things got strange. The author and Vatican chief for interpreting legal texts failed to show up at his own press conference. Those in attendance were told the book was not an official response to the Dubia. So why are we still waiting for a definitive clarification on this papal teaching on marriage divorce we married Catholics in communion? Here to help us process all of this and more, we are joined on set by the papal posse. Joining me is editorial in chief of the Catholic Thing Dr. Robert Royal and via satellite from Manhattan is Father Gerald Murray, canon lawyer and pastor extraordinaire. Father, thank you for being with us. Thank you both for being here... Let’s start with this controversial – it was billed as a book, really not a book, it’s 51 pages. A snappy title in typical Vatican style titled The Eighth Chapter of the Post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation by the aforementioned Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, in it he states the following – this is the cardinal – the divorced and remarried de facto couples, those cohabitating…they’re certainly not models of unions in sync with Catholic doctrine. But the Church cannot look the other way. Therefore, the Sacraments of reconciliation and of Communion must be given, even to those so-called ‘wounded families’ and to however many, who, despite living in situations not in line with traditional matrimonial canons, express the sincere desire to approach the sacraments after an appropriate period of discernment. Father Murray, what is this, in your estimation, and are good intentions enough to receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church? FR. MURRAY: This is really a disaster, I’ll say it straight out. It’s a direct contradiction of what the Church has always taught, of what John Paul II, now St. John Paul, taught in Familiaris Consortio and in subsequent documents. The idea that you would say people who are living in an adulterous union are not exactly models of Catholic marriage but nonetheless they should be given Communion – this is casting aside the message of the Gospel. Holy Communion is the Bread of Life given to those who approach the altar in the proper disposition, which means if you’re committing mortal sin, you go to Confession. If you’re planning on committing a mortal sin in the days ahead, then you can’t go to Confession ’cause you can’t repent. So it’s – there are a lot of slogans, a lot of euphemisms. Holy Communion should not be received by people who are objectively contradicting the truth of Christ. I think the cardinal’s made a tremendous mistake here and I regret it. RAYMOND ARROYO: Bob…what’s happening in the backdrop. This was billed – this was sold – as kind of the answer, the official answer, to that famous dubia that Cardinal Burke and those three other cardinals put forward. A dubia is nothing more than a series of questions – yes or no answers [are] all that are required – to clarify, can Catholics who are divorced and remarried without an annulment get Communion? It’s a simple question. At the last minute, the Cardinal Coccopalmerio, who was supposed to show up and answer all the questions, bailed on the press conference. And then, Fr. Costa, who’s a member of the Holy See press office, says this is not an official Vatican response, but it is authoritative and we are part of the dialogue. What is this? ROBERT ROYAL: Well, it’s hard to say of course. But, if I had to guess, this seems to me to be part and parcel of something we’ve talked about before and lots of other people have discussed. And that is that the Holy Father has a set of principles that he likes to operate by. He used the same principles when he was the Archbishop of Buenos Aires and one of them is that the Church doesn’t have to, as he says, ‘dominate spaces.’ It allows time to develop in questions and discussions to take place – which is fine if you’re the Archbishop of Buenos Aires. The problem here – and I think that the backing off indicated some personal nervousness on the part of Coccopalmerio, but also I think what we’ve seen since the beginning with Amoris Laetitia, that there is a reluctance actually to take the stand. And so there – this is just another voice, and we’ve got other cardinals as Fr. Murray says today at The Catholic Thing, if I may put in a plug there for his wonderful article this morning – we have yet again the highest levels except for the very highest level saying contradictory things that also…as Father said, contradict the entire tradition of the Church. The only way that this can be resolved is for the Holy Father himself to step forward. I’ve said this before. After Humane Vitae, when Paul VI took a very unpopular position about contraception affirming the teaching, there was controversy all over the place but there was no doubt about what he said. Now, all we have is a dialogue that’s going on. So we don’t have either a fidelity to Catholic teaching or a definite change in discipline. RAYMOND ARROYO: Father Murray, Cardinal Coccopalmerio had this to say about…he raised this as an example to justify and undergird his interpretation of Amoris Laetitia. He said, ‘A woman who’s been married for 10 years to a man who had been abandoned by his first wife and left with three small children are in this situation,’ and then he says this, ‘the woman has full awareness of being in an irregular situation. She sincerely wants to change her life, but clearly, she cannot. If in fact she left the union, the children would be without a mother. Therefore the union would be not fulfilling a moral duty towards innocent persons.’ Do you buy that argument? FR. MURRAY: I don’t buy it at all. Number one, those children already have a mother. …[the woman mentioned is] the second wife, she’s acting in the place of the mother. But they have a mother, and that mother has duties to those children. Secondly, the Catholic Church has taught if there is a serious reason why those in an invalid second marriage must remain together for the good of the children or other reasons – taking care of the sick spouse, for instance – then you have to live as brother and sister. The sin is adultery. You’re not allowed to commit adultery. That’s quite – that’s the sixth commandment. One thing that really puzzles me in this whole discussion is the resistance to describing things as they are. Adultery means adultery. Irregular unions – you can have – irregular has all kinds of meanings. We’re talking about Gospel truth here. The Lord reaffirmed quite clearly the invalidity, saying that you can have a second spouse – ‘the man who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery.’ We should have Gospel frankness here. That’s what the pope has called for, and I agree with Bob – the only one who can solve this debate is Pope Francis and I think, you know, as an appeal to him from a pastor in the trenches, pastoral charity requires that he solve all of these confusing doubts because no one is in good shape when you have one cardinal criticizing another and then priests like me having to get on TV and tell people, ‘no, things don’t change even though a cardinal says it changes.’ This is confusing. RAYMOND ARROYO: Now, you heard Cardinal Coccopalmerio’s take and we were told at this press conference when his book was rolled out – I wish I could write a little book this size – that it has the same reading as the bishops of Malta, Germany, Buenos Aires – but it flies in the face, at least it seems to, of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith’s interpretation. Cardinal Gerhard Mueller had this to say about Amoris Laetitia just last week. He said, ‘For us, marriage is an expression of participation in the unity between Christ, the bridegroom, and the Church, His bride. This is not, as some said during the synod, a simple vague anaology. No, this is the substance of the sacrament and no power in heaven or on earth – neither an angel nor the pope nor counsel nor a law of the bishops – has the faculty to change it. Amoris Laetitia must be interpreted in the light of the whole doctrine of the Church.’ Now, Bob, here we are, and we’ve been getting emails all night. Who is right here? Is this CDF right? Or is Cardinal Coccopalmerio And the Bishops of Malta and Germany right?
ROBERT ROYAL: You know, it’s interesting, at this press conference that presented this so-called answer to the Dubia and you know was backed off on, there was a journalist who stepped forward and said, ‘well we have to ask the question, who made up these rules…?’ I think this is a good question to ask actually. Because, it’s Jesus who made this rule. It was a rule that was shocking to the Pharisees under the strict Jews of this time. This is something that has always been taught by the church. We now have a conflict not just between existing Cardinals but it’s made to appear as if people who remain faithful to the teaching are somehow themselves Pharisees – the ones that Jesus was contradicting with this very teaching that they’re trying to defend. There’s something very odd going on here, and I would have to say that, um, this can only get worse as time goes on, as various people take one side or the other in what has to be determined at the very highest level of the Church. RAYMOND ARROYO: It gives the feeling – it gives the feeling of a schism. It’s not a schism, but it gives the feeling of one, because people are taking sides and it’s not just any people. As Father Murray’s article – it’s Cardinals Clashing is the title of the article, When Cardinals Clash – this is what we seem to be seeing and it is very confusing to the people at home and the people watching all over the world, not just here in the United States or at this table. ROBERT ROYAL: And I’d like to add one other thing. I have to – we haven’t seen the full text yet, I haven’t seen the Italian text, I’ll be getting it soon. It seems to me that in the excerpts that are published that they’ve gone beyond simply saying that the people who are divorced and remarried in these special circumstances are – there is good will, there is some problem – [to] also talking about couples that are cohabiting. It seems to be in the language – and other irregular circumstances. You talk to any moral theologian of substance, of credibility, and it’s always been the Catholic teaching that you cannot do evil so that good will come out of it. So you can’t say, ‘you should continue to commit adultery so that some other good will result.’ RAYMOND ARROYO: So he or she can feel loved. ROBERT ROYAL: People can say, you know, if I kill so-and-so, this good will result from it. Well that’s true, but you’re not allowed to murder anyone. RAYMOND ARROYO: Hmm. ROBERT ROYAL: So there’s some very strange confusion that is spreading out and out from this desire to regularize the irregular. It’s the only way to look at it. RAYMOND ARROYO: Father Murray, there was a rather interesting – Bob used the word odd earlier – declaration of support this week. He was referencing odd to this whole situation, not to this particular event – the council of cardinals, the nine who advise Pope Francis – issued a vote of support for him this week. Cardinal again Francesco Coccopalmerio who’s apparently had a very active week, he was speaking to the Associated Press, and he said this: ‘Cardinal Rodriguez Maradiaga’ – also a member of that nine cardinal panel – ‘made a declaration in the name of all of us [of] full support for Pope Francis and of his work. We are here to help him. He knows we love him and we are with him…’ What do you make of this? I’ve never seen anything like this, sort of a pledge of confidence. I mean, Parliament’s done this in England, but I’ve never seen it done at the Vatican. FR. MURRAY: I wasn’t so happy when I heard about it because [it’s] adding a further political element to what we have here. As you say, this is like something that happens in a parliamentary democracy. Right now, there’s a serious theological debate going on in the Church about the meaning of the eighth chapter of Amoris Laetitia [and] whether Pope Francis intends to change the teaching of the Church concerning the inability of people who are in adulterous relationships to worthily receive Holy Communion. Cardinal Burke and the other cardinals want a solution – they did a very respectful thing in bringing it forward – [they’re not] the only ones who are wondering. And on the other hand, you have the Vatican publishing house putting out this Coccopalmerio booklet, which never would have been published under any previous pontiff, I can guarantee that. Bishops of Malta said, ‘if you feel you’re at peace with God, go ahead and receive Communion.’ That’s not Catholic theology. That’s some kind of pop psychology…that’s not the Catholic Church faithful to the Lord. So, you know, it’s assumed that all Catholics are loyal to the pope. We are loyal to the pope because he is the leader of our Church. When there’s a disagreement about something he says or writes, the respectful thing is not to shut your mouth and pretend there’s no problem. The respectful thing is to do what Cardinal Burke [is doing], ‘Holy Father, we’re at a loss to understand what this means. Please make it clear.’ What do we have now? Basically got this kind of boxing match going on. One cardinal says this, one cardinal says that, and we’re supposed to what, applaud for one side or the other? That’s ridiculous. We wanna know what the truth is. We wanna know that the Catholic Church continues to proclaim it, and that’s what we’re asking the Holy Father to do. RAYMOND ARROYO: Robert Royal… ROBERT ROYAL: It’s very odd when you have a vote of full confidence in a pope. In the entire history of the Church I don’t think this has ever happened before. Yet – I think that this is an important, maybe negative to the actual positive – it was felt necessary. So there must be, even among that very close group of advisors, there must be a sense that they needed to affirm something because of a threat that seems to be from the outside. And it’s not just Cardinal Burke… RAYMOND ARROYO: Well, Coccopalmerio referenced the posters that were all around Rome that we reported on last week, with those kind of snarky things about ‘where’s your mercy now?’ And there was the spoof of the L'Osservatore Romano that also got into some of this. Perhaps it was the collection of those snarky critiques and they wanted to put on a public face to show, look, we’re all with the pope. ROBERT ROYAL: The joke is often that when you, in a parliamentary system, express full confidence in someone, it’s at the point where they’re about to be dismissed from office. RAYMOND ARROYO: Run out of office. ROBERT ROYAL: I guess there is a sense at the highest level that there not only is opposition, but it’s serious. And that there’s something that has to be done to kind of affirm the loyalty to the Holy Father, which – I agree with Father, we all feel this – the problem is that he [Pope Francis] has now put all of us in a situation where it’s impossible. We wanna be loyal to him personally and to him as the head of the Church, the successor to Peter, but what are we being loyal to, and what is he telling us? RAYMOND ARROYO: I want to get to a few viewer emails and they’re coming in fast and furious and on twitter. Here’s the first one: ‘What is the role of the faithful in correcting clerics who support a heterodox reading of Amoris Laetitia?’ Father Murray? FR. MURRAY: Well, the [laity] have to give witness to their adherence to the truth of the faith and they do that by expressing in their own lives that they will never take advantage of so-called permission to receive Communion unworthily, they won’t encourage people to do that. And they’ll make known to their pastors, as provided for in canon law, make known their concerns. It’s interesting. Clerics often talk about popular piety as being a strength in the Church. It certainly is. Well, so is popular fidelity. You know, how many priests have gone off the rails since the Council, you know, more than 50 years now, and the lay people stood by with their mouths agape, and they [said], ‘Father, you really believe that?’ And they kind of like, tried to knock sense into these priests who had gone off in bad directions. The laity are to give witness to the faith. RAYMOND ARROYO: I wanna run through this other question that came, and this is a fairly common one: ‘If there is schism, is the Church automatically on the side of the Pope? How do we discern which side is correct?’ Robert Royal. ROBERT ROYAL: This is a very difficult question, because we’ve never had a circumstance with a pope obstinately teaching something that seems to be contradictory to the longstanding, permanent tradition of the Catholic Church. I think that we’ll find ourselves sorting this out and it’s gonna be very, very painful. It may go on for decades. Things like this have happened in the past. But there’s no – I don’t think there’s any automatic mechanism here, or automatic pricinple that you can apply.
RAYMOND ARROYO: Wow. Uncharted territory. Father Gerald, I’m going to give you the last word and the last question: ‘Cardinal Mueller and Cardinal Coccopalmerio represent polar opposite interpretations of Amoris…and since the Pope won’t definitively answer, where does that leave us?’ FR. MURRAY: Well, you know, I think part of the – the good thing about the ongoing debate, even though at times [it] can be acrimonious, is that it’s getting the pope’s attention. The non-response to the dubia is a mistake in my opinion. The pope says he’s a man of dialogue and encounter. I believe him. I take him at his word. But sometimes the dialogue may not be subjects that he himself chooses. So when people go to him and say, ‘Holy Father, we don’t like this confusion, this kind of mess that’s come after Amoris Laetitia, please solve it for us.’ The criteria for judgment is always the truth proclaimed by the Church from the beginning. And I’ll be very clear again. I’ve said this on your show many times: never in the history of the Church has the Church said people who are living in an adulterous state and plan to continue to do so have a right to receive Communion. It’s never been said [and] the reason is it can’t be said. It’s a direct contradiction of Christ’s words. So make that point, you know, however the point is made by cardinals, lay people, priests, it’s all to the good because maybe the pope will say, ‘look, I gotta pull back and say I can’t go this way any more…I’ve gotta say you’re right. It’s a mistake to go this way.’ That’s my prayer and hope on this matter.
“War comes from the south, peace from the north. French laws no longer recognize the Creator, but the Creator will make Himself recognized and will visit her thrice with the rod of His wrath. In the first visit He breaks her pride by conquest, plundering ruined harvest and butchery of men and beasts. “In the second visit the great Prostitute of Babylon, which makes decent people sigh and call it the Brothel of Europe, will be left without a leader and will be a victim of disorder. “Paris! Paris! Instead of arming yourself in the name of the Lord, you fortify yourself with Houses of Immorality. They will be destroyed by you yourself. Your idol, The Pantheon, will be burnt to ashes in order that this may come true: ‘violence uttereth lies against me.’ Your enemies will reduce you to want, to hunger, to fear, and will make you the abomination of the nations. Ah, woe to you, if you do not recognize the hand that strikes you! I want to punish immorality, the despising of and the contempt for My law, says the Lord. … “The days fly by, your years will reach the destined number; but the great Queen (Mary) will ever be your help, and as in times past so in the future She will always be the exceeding great fortress of the Church.” - St. John Bosco
Speaking of Truth be it proclaimed by the Church or no..... and Civil Wars. When Folks don't trust their Civil/Religious leaders/authorities, fear for their lives, homes, livelihoods .... and those of kith-n-kin!! ...... it be Civil War Time with serious unpleasantness. Well!! Here you are then! Islamic Terrorism does not exist and/or Islam not the source of Terrorism ....... Sooooo .... I knew it!! .... It's those Pennsylvania Dutch Amish Terrorists .... Right? As The Bard wrote: "Something is rotten in the State of Denmark!" "Pope Francis: "Muslim Terrorism Does Not Exist" http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/02/17/pope-francis-muslim-terrorism-not-exist/ "Angela Merkel says Europe must take MORE refugees and Islam 'isn't source of terror" http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...s-Syria-Iraq-German-chancellor-terrorism-ISIS GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
Let me write to you with the , 'Gospel frankness' , David, that Pope Francis claims he wishes to encourage in this debate. You are a heretic, an apostate and a schismatic. Worse you not have not only swallowed this spiritual poison but you wish to spread it to other souls so that they may end up in the same or even more awful spiritual state in which you find yourself. As Pope Leo XIII wrote in his Encyclical , 'Libertas', (True Liberty) , error has no, 'rights'. http://www.catholictradition.org/Tradition/true-liberty.htm IN his encyclical letter Libertas, Pope Leo XIII warns that there are certain so-called liberties which modern society takes for granted that every man possesses as a right. These are the liberties "which the followers of liberalism so eagerly advocate and proclaim." (The terms freedom and liberty will be considered synonymous for the purposes of this article; the Latin word libertas is expressed by either, depending on the translator.) 'The essence of liberalism is that the individual human being has the right to decide for himself the norms by which he will regulate his life. He has the right to be his own arbiter as to what is right and what is wrong; he is under no obligation to subject himself to any external authority. In the liberal sense, liberty of conscience is the right of an individual to think and believe whatever he wants, even in religion and morality: to express his views publicly and to persuade others to adopt them, using word of mouth, the public press or any other means. He has the right to choose any religion or to have no religion; this is a natural right. The only limitation to be placed upon him is that he should refrain from causing a breach of public order. Even the most extreme liberal would hardly accept that someone who believed that men with blue eyes ought to be executed should be allowed to put this belief into practice. But papal teaching distinguishes between mere public order and the common or public good. An obscene or blasphemous play might not provoke a riot, and hence would not disturb public order; but it could hardly be supposed that permitting it would promote the public good. Pope Leo XIII teaches that "many cling so obstinately to their own opinion in this matter as to imagine these modern liberties, cankered as they are, to be the greatest glory of our age, and the very basis of civil life, without which no perfect government can be conceived." Sadly, it must be conceded that since Pope Leo wrote these words in 1888, the errors he condemned have become so generally accepted within the liberal-dominated ethos of Western society that they are considered acceptable, or even admirable, by most Catholics. It would be hard to find a bishop in the English-speaking world today who would give wholehearted endorsement to the teaching of Libertas. ' There is not, 'Right';, to spread the spiritual poison of heresy, David. Let me be quite open and frank. If you continue in the State you are in and do not repent you will be damned. If you continue to propagate you evil beliefs you will be doubly damned in that you enocurage others to walk the path to hell you yourself obstinately run in . Further to this if you partake of the the Sacraments as a obdurate heretic you do so sacriligeously. You are under the wrath and Judgement of God and are under the very,very grave risk that God will send a Holy Angel to strike you dead. This is a very real possibility and one I most earnestly urge you to avoid. I repeat David, you are walking a path to hell. You are an Apostate, a Heretic and a Schismatic.You are in the very greatest spiritual danger of being condemned to hell and I urge you to repent, follow the teachings of the Church and return to God. Psalm 118, Set before me for a law the way of Thy justifications, O Lord: And I will always seek after it. Give me understanding, and I will search Thy law: And I will keep it with my whole heart.
The Prescription Against Heretics (Tertullian) Chapter 6. Heretics are Self-Condemned. Heresy is Self-Will, Whilst Faith is Submission of Our Will to the Divine Authority. The Heresy of Apelles. On this point, however, we dwell no longer, since it is the same Paul who, in his Epistle to the Galatians, counts heresies among the sins of the flesh, Galatians 5:20 who also intimates to Titus, that a man who is a heretic must be rejected after the first admonition, on the ground that he that is such is perverted, and commits sin, as a self-condemned man. Titus 3:10-11 Indeed, in almost every epistle, when enjoining on us (the duty) of avoiding false doctrines, he sharply condemns heresies. Of these the practical effects are false doctrines, called in Greek heresies, a word used in the sense of that choice which a man makes when he either teaches them (to others) or takes up with them (for himself). For this reason it is that he calls the heretic self-condemned, because he has himself chosen that for which he is condemned. We, however, are not permitted to cherish any object after our own will, nor yet to make choice of that which another has introduced of his private fancy. In the Lord's apostles we possess our authority; for even they did not of themselves choose to introduce anything, but faithfully delivered to the nations (of mankind) the doctrine which they had received from Christ. If, therefore, even an angel from heaven should preach any other gospel (than theirs), he would be called accursed by us. The Holy Ghost had even then foreseen that there would be in a certain virgin (called) Philumene an angel of deceit, transformed into an angel of light, 2 Corinthians 11:14 by whose miracles and illusions Apelles was led (when) he introduced his new heresy. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0311.htm
'Muslin Terrorism does not exist'. Pope Francis. http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/02/17/pope-francis-muslim-terrorism-not-exist/ https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christian-attacks.aspx List of Islamic Terror Attacks Islamic Terror on Christians This is a list of targeted acts of terrorism on Christian civilians and church workers by religious Muslims since September 11th, 2001. These attacks have nothing to do with war, combat or insurgency. The victims are innocent Christians who were specifically targeted and abused solely on account of their faith by those who claim their own religion as a motive. There may be a few anomalies on the list, as it is compiled by keyword search from our main database. Neither is this a complete account of Islamic terror attacks on Christians since much of the violence goes unreported. Date Country City Killed Injured Description 2017.02.16 Egypt al-Arish 1 0 A Coptic teacher is gunned down by Ansar Beit al-Maqdis on his way to school. 2017.02.08 CAR Bangui 3 26 A church burning spree by Muslim milita leaves three dead. 2017.02.07 CAR Bangui 1 0 A pastor is stabbed to death in his church by Muslim radicals. 2017.01.31 USA Denver, CO 1 0 A pastor working as a security guard is shot to death at a transit office by a 'radicalized' Muslim. 2017.01.26 Trinidad Arima 1 1 A Muslim teen is shot dead for having a Christian boyfriend, who is badly injured. 2017.01.15 Uganda Katira 0 23 Angered by conversion efforts, a Muslim mob enters a church, beats parishioners and rapes fifteen women. 2017.01.13 Egypt Asyut 1 0 Radicals slit the throat of a Coptic doctor in his home. 2017.01.07 Nigeria Kwayine 10 0 Ten people are killed when Fulani militants storm a Christian village. 2017.01.06 Egypt Tukh el-Dalkah 2 0 Muslims slit the throats of a Coptic couple in their own bed. 2017.01.03 Egypt Cairo 1 0 A Christian businessman's throat is slashed for selling alcohol. 2016.12.31 Pakistan Sukkur 0 10 A Muslim mob burns down a Christian neighborhood. 2016.12.29 Austria Voecklamarkt 0 1 An Austrian woman is stabbed for reading the Bible at a refugee center. 2016.12.23 Iraq Baghdad 9 0 Eight Christians and one Yazidi lose their lives to a fundamentalist shooting spree. 2016.12.19 Germany Berlin 11 48 Eleven patrons are slaughtered when a hijacked truck plows into a crowd at a Christmas market outside a church. 2016.12.11 Egypt Cairo 27 49 A brutal Religion of Peace suicide bomb blast during service at a Coptic church claims two dozen innocent lives, including six children. 2016.12.04 Nigeria Abuja 1 0 A Christian college student is beheaded by Fulani terrorists. 2016.11.16 Mali Kerana 1 0 The Christian mayor of a small village - and father of 8 - is assassinated by Islamic extremists. 2016.11.14 Egypt Cairo 1 0 A Copt is tortured to death by the police in a suspected case of sectarian hatred. 2016.11.13 Indonesia Samarinda 1 3 A 2-year-old dies and three other children are injured when an extremist hurls a firebomb into a church. 2016.11.13 Nigeria Ungwan Magaji 17 0 A pregnant woman and children are among seventeen innocents massacred by Muslim raiders on a Christian community. 2016.11.13 Nigeria Kigam 11 0 Eleven Christian villagers are laid out during a Muslim rampage in which homes were burned. 2016.11.04 Nigeria Tudan Wada 1 0 A Christian is murdered by Muslim militants. 2016.10.29 Nigeria Bakasi 5 11 A female suicide bomber detonates at a camp for displaced persons, blowing five to bits, including a church pastor. 2016.10.28 Syria Raqqa 5 0 A video shows five Christians executed by the Islamic State.
2016.10.27 Nigeria Angwan Ali 3 0 Muslim terrorists kill three Christian villagers. 2016.10.25 Kenya Mandera 12 0 Islamists target Christians at a guesthouse, slaughtering a dozen. 2016.10.20 Nigeria Tachira 1 0 A man on his way to church is pulled into the bush and hacked to death by Muslims 2016.10.15 Nigeria Godogodo 48 326 Fulani terrorists target a Christian village, killing forty-eight people and burning their homes. 2016.10.13 Niger Abalak 1 1 Radical Muslims kill a guard at a Christian mission and kidnap an aid worker. 2016.10.12 CAR Kaga Bandoro 30 57 Muslim militia hack thirty Christian refugees to death. 2016.10.06 Kenya Mandera 6 27 al-Shabaab gunmen break into a home and murder six residents in an attack targeting Christians. 2016.09.29 Australia Potts Point 1 0 A young woman is stabbed to death by her husband for converting to Christianity. 2016.09.26 Nigeria Kuburumbula 1 0 One villager is killed when Boko Haram invade a Christian village and burn homes. 2016.09.26 Nigeria Boftari 1 0 A Christian man is tied up and slaughtered in front of his wife and four children. 2016.09.25 Jordan Amman 1 0 A Christian writer is gunned down outside a court by an imam for posting a cartoon critical of Islam on Facebook. 2016.09.18 Nigeria Kwamjilari 8 0 Eight people standing outside a church are riddled with bullets by Muslim extremists. 2016.09.17 CAR Ndomete 26 0 Over two dozen villagers are massacred by Muslim terrorists, who went door-to-door seeking Christians. 2016.09.11 Philippines Sultan Kudarat 1 0 A church elder is machine-gunned in front of his child by Muslims while resting in a hammock outside his home. 2016.09.02 Tanzania Lushoto 1 2 One person is killed when suspected extremists attack a Christian university. 2016.09.02 Pakistan Peshawar 2 5 Four Jamaat-ur-Ahrar suicide bombers kill a guard and civilian in a targeted attack on a Christian community. 2016.08.28 Indonesia Medan 0 1 A Muslim radical stabs a priest during a church service and attempts to detonate a suicide vest. 2016.08.25 Nigeria Nkanu 1 0 A Catholic seminary student is among several shot to death by Fulani terrorists.
2016.08.22 Nigeria Talata Mafara 8 0 Eight people are killed when a Muslim mob targets Christians following a blasphemy accusation. 2016.08.21 Nigeria Ningon 2 1 A girl is among the casualties of a targeted attack on Christians as they slept. 2016.08.19 Nigeria Angwan Anjo 1 0 A pastor is gunned down by Fulani terrorists. 2016.08.16 Nigeria Jeman 10 0 Ten civilians in a Christian village are massacred by Fulani terrorists. 2016.08.14 Pakistan Lahore 1 0 A man shoots his sister in the head for marrying a Christian. 2016.08.10 Uganda Mbarara 1 0 The blood-stained body of a convert from Islam to Christianity is found hanging from a tree. 2016.08.02 Nigeria Gada Biyu 9 0 Nine Christian villagers are cut down by Muslim terrorists, who also burned three churches. 2016.08.01 Nigeria Ninte 2 1 Two Christian women are hacked to death by Muslim herdsmen. 2016.07.26 France Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray 1 1 Muslim radicals take hostages at a church and slit the throat of an 84-year-old priest. 2016.07.17 Egypt Tahna al-Gabal 1 1 One member is slain when a Coptic family is attacked by a Muslim mob armed with knives. 2016.07.12 Pakistan Faisalabad 1 0 A Christian family man is murdered in a targeted attack by Muslim kidnappers. 2016.07.09 Nigeria Abuja 1 0 A female pastor is hacked to death by Muslim radicals who left her severed head on a Bible. 2016.07.09 Bangladesh Kajura 0 1 A Catholic nurse is set on fire by suspected Religion of Peace operatives. 2016.07.05 DRC Tenambo 9 0 Nine Christian villagers are murdered by ADF Islamists. 2016.06.30 Nigeria Obi 1 0 An evangelical pastor is hacked to death by militant Muslims. 2016.06.30 Egypt al-Arish 1 0 A Coptic priest is shot in the head by Muslim radicals. 2016.06.27 Lebanon Qaa 6 19 Six people are left dead after four suicide bombers target a Christian village. 2016.06.25 Pakistan Lahore 0 1 Four Muslims gang-rape a Christian whose brother had eloped with a Muslim. 2016.06.23 Syria Maalula 1 0 Jihadists slit the throat of a Christian man in front of his wife. 2016.06.23 Uganda Lakabuku 1 0 Faithful Muslims murder a Christian widow for refusing to allow a mosque on her property. 2016.06.19 Syria Qamishi 3 5 At least three people are killed after a suicide bomber detonates at a memorial to massacred Christians. 2016.06.16 Uganda Luuka 1 0 A Christian woman's baby is poisoned to death by a Muslim family member for being fed during Ramadan. 2016.06.14 Pakistan Tando Muhammad 1 0 A 14-year-old Christian student is stabbed fifteen times by a Muslim gang. 2016.06.09 Pakistan Changa Manga 0 1 A Christian man is badly beaten by a Muslim mob for selling food deemed 'unclean' because of his religion. 2016.06.05 Syria Aleppo 2 27 Two people are killed when Islamists target a church with rockets. 2016.06.05 Bangladesh Natore 1 0 A Christian man is hacked to death at his shop by Islamists. 2016.06.04 Niger Bosso 1 0 A convert to Christianity is singled out and executed by Muslim radicals. 2016.06.04 Uganda Kadama 1 0 A Christian evangelist is murdered for his work by Islam devotees. 2016.06.02 Nigeria Kano 1 0 Muslim youth behead a Christian woman for insulting Muhammad after an argument over religion. 2016.05.31 Nigeria Ninte 3 0 Muslim terrorists burn churches and a pastors home, and hack three villagers to death as they slept.
2016.05.29 Niger Pandogari 4 0 A Muslim mob burns churches and kill four people based on a 'blasphemous' post on Facebook. 2016.05.25 Turkey Hah, Tur Abdin 5 0 At least five people are killed when a suicide bomber targets a checkpoint outside two historic churches. 2016.05.22 Syria Qamishli 6 15 Six Assyrians are laid out by Allah-praising suicide bombers targeting a Christian restaurant. 2016.05.15 Uganda Kasecha 1 0 A pastor is poisoned to death by a devout Muslim. 2016.05.09 Philippines Tubigan 1 1 Islamic terrorists target and kill a 'Christian' soldier. 2016.05.08 Uganda Mbaale 1 0 A young woman is strangled by her husband for leaving Islam for Christianity. 2016.05.08 Pakistan Gujaranwala 1 0 A 14-year-old Christian is hanged, allegedly for his faith. 2016.05.03 Syria Aleppo 9 45 al-Nusra fire 60 mortars into a Christian residential area, killing nine innocents. 2016.05.03 Bangladesh Chuadanga 0 2 Islamists toss a bomb into the home of a Christian family. 2016.05.03 DRC Beni 34 0 ADF Islamists hack and slash thirty-four Christian villagers to death in their own homes, including eight women and four children. 2016.04.30 Nigeria Dadawa 2 0 A man and his daughter are burnt alive in their church by Boko Haram. 2016.04.28 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A Christian girl is burned alive in her home when her family is unable to pay jizya. 2016.04.27 Pakistan Pir Mahal 1 0 A Christian boy is lynched for flirting with a Muslim girl. 2016.04.25 Nigeria Enugu 48 60 Forty-eight people are reported dead after Muslim terrorists attack their village, hacking, shooting, and burning their homes and church. 2016.04.24 Nigeria Okpoga 1 0 A Catholic priest is kidnapped and murdered by Muslim 'criminals'. 2016.04.19 Uganda Kanginima 0 1 A 22-year-old Christian woman is beaten and gang-raped in a targeted attack by followers of a local imam. 2016.04.09 Syria Qaryatain 21 0 Three women are among twenty-one Christians murdered in cold blood for refusing to submit to Islam. 2016.04.06 Pakistan Wandala 1 1 A Muslim gang slits the throat of a disabled Christian for trying to defend members of his community. 2016.03.27 Pakistan Lahore 78 362 A massive suicide blast targeting Christian families celebrating Easter leaves over seventy dead, half of whom were children. 2016.03.22 Bangladesh Kurigram 1 0 A Christian convert is stabbed to death by Religion of Peace proponents. 2016.03.21 Egypt Cairo 4 0 Four Bible translators for Wycliffe are brutally slain in their office at an undisclosed location in the Middle East. 2016.03.13 Ivory Coast Bassam 18 17 al-Qaeda gunmen assault a hotel and murder anyone refusing to praise Allah with them. The eighteen killed include a 5-year-old Christian who was cut down while praying. 2016.03.04 Yemen Aden 16 0 Militant Muslims storm a Catholic retirement home and murder sixteen, including four nuns and the elderly residents. 2016.02.27 Pakistan Qayum 1 2 A Muslim shouts a religious slur and fires into a Christian home, killing a 17-year-old boy. 2016.02.24 Nigeria Agatu 300 0 Radical Islamic mercenaries sweep through a series of Christian villages and slaughter over three hundred, including pregnant women and children. 2016.02.18 Syria Aleppo 1 0 A priest is reportedly beheaded for offering prayers at the altar of his church. 2016.02.14 Nigeria Abbi 2 19 Fulani terrorists attack a Christian community and hack a brother and sister to death. 2016.02.11 USA Columbus, OH 0 4 Four people at a Christian-owned restaurant with an Israeli flag are slashed by a Muslim wielding a machete yelling 'Allah Akbar'… 2016.01.31 Kenya Kaisari 4 1 Militant Muslims raid a Christian village and kill four innocents, one of whom is beheaded and the other burned inside his home. 2016.01.29 Nigeria Adamawa 10 28 A young suicide bomber detonates at a busy market near a church, taking out ten innocents. 2016.01.27 Nigeria Chibok 16 32 Suicide bombers send shrapnel through sixteen innocents at a vegetable market in a Christian town.
2016.01.27 Uganda Numuseru 1 0 A Christian convert is murdered after being threatened by an imam. 2016.01.24 Syria Qamishli 3 10 Three Christians are killed in a targeted bomb attack on their restaurant. 2016.01.13 Pakistan Lahore 1 1 A 17-year-old girl is killed after telling a group of Muslim men that she would not have sex with them because she is a devout Christian. 2016.01.07 Bangladesh Jhenaidah 1 0 A convert to Christianity is 'eliminated' by devout Muslims for leaving Islam. 2016.01.05 Pakistan Bahawalnagar 1 0 A 7-year-old Christian boy is kidnapped, raped and killed by 'influential' Muslims. 2015.12.29 Syria Qamishlo 17 30 Two suicide blasts outside eateries in a Christian neighborhood leave seventeen dead. 2015.12.24 Philippines Mindanao 5 0 Bangsamoro Islamists capture and shoot five Christian farmers 'one-by-one' the day before Christmas. 2015.12.23 Uganda Nansololo 1 0 A pastor is beheaded by militant Muslims. 2015.12.21 Kenya Mandera 2 3 Two passengers are killed when Islamists board a bus and try to separate Christians for execution. 2015.12.21 Syria Suqaylabiyah 2 33 At least one child is among the causalities when Sunnis bomb a Christian neighborhood. 2015.12.18 Mali Timbuktu 3 0 Three broadcasters are brutally murdered outside a Christian radio station. 2015.12.02 Uganda Komodo 1 0 A father-of-five is hacked to death by a group of Islamists after leaving Islam for Christianity. 2015.11.28 Syria Damascus 1 30 Sunnis send a rocket into a Christian neighborhood, killing one resident. 2015.11.23 Egypt Tamiyyah 1 0 A 26-year-old mother of two is murdered by her conservative uncle after leaving Islam for Christianity. 2015.11.18 Bangladesh Dinajpur 0 1 An Italian priest is stabbed by Islamists. 2015.11.09 CAR Ndassima 10 8 Muslim militia cut the throats of ten Christian villagers. 2015.10.26 CAR Bangui 3 0 Three ordinary Christians are targeted, abducted and murdered by Muslim radicals. 2015.10.19 Libya Cyrenaica 1 0 An African Christian is beheaded by an Arab Muslim on video. 2015.10.19 Uganda Kalampete 1 0 Muslims drag a mother of eight from her home and shoot her because her husband converted to Christianity. 2015.10.13 Indonesia Singkil 1 4 One person is killed when a Muslim bomb burns down a church. 2015.10.05 Bangladesh Pabna 0 1 Islamists stab a pastor at his home after feigning an interest in converting. 2015.10.02 Yemen Taiz 1 0 Extremists enter a home and shoot a young convert to Christianity to death. 2015.09.26 CAR Bangui 21 100 A mob of Muslims pour automatic weapons fire into a Christian neighborhood, killing at least twenty-one. 2015.09.23 Syria Hasaka 3 0 Three Christian Assyrians taken captive by the caliphate are executed with shots to the head. 2015.09.23 Uganda Kalampete 1 0 A Christian evangelist is beaten to death by Islamists following a debate. 2015.09.20 Syria Qaryatin 1 0 A Christian is executed by the Islamic State for refusing to pay jizya. 2015.09.16 Nigeria Kadunung 18 150 Muslims attack a Christian community, killing eighteen innocents, including a man and his six children. 2015.09.15 Nigeria Sarkin Kudu 9 9 Nine Christians are murdered in their village by Muslim invaders. 2015.09.14 Nigeria Barkin Ladi 20 17 Twenty Christians are massacred by Muslim militants. 2015.09.09 Uganda Bukedea 0 1 A young Catholic woman is raped and left to die by three Muslims because her parents had left Islam.
...and on and on and on and on. Tells us , 'Islamic terrorism does not exist.' Funny old world. Well if the Pope says it .....who are we to judge?
