Filial Correction of Pope Francis for multiple heresies

Yes sadly this is true

Thank you for your string of finely worded posts.
You are much more eloquent than I.
More even keeled too

 

That assumes that Francis will not die before Benedict.
Nobody can predict the future.

 

It doesn't really matter. You have no right to decide who is Pope for yourself anyway. Actually as DeGaulle pointed out for all intents and purposes you may be a sedevacantist now since there cannot be 2 Popes.

 

But it is your logic that is faulty, my friend. You assert that the (alleged) heresies of Pope Francis negate the validity of his papacy. This is not a logical inference. A validly-elected pope, via Free Will, can opt to become heretical, but this does not, indeed can not, change the validity or otherwise of the election post facto. The corollary is that an invalidly elected pope could be the most orthodox and holy pope ever, but it still would not make him a valid pope. To assert that a validly elected pope could not decide to become a heretic is to deny Free Will, the very essence of the Examination for Heaven that is Creation.

Edward Peters, the highly-regarded, and extremely orthodox, expert on canon law has pointed out the futility of trying to assert a conclave conspiracy, because any cardinal that testified to this effect would be self-excommunicating because it is absolutely forbidden for anyone to disclose what happens in conclaves. I recommend you give him a read (I assure you he is no apologist for Pope Francis).

 

You don't know this ship!

 

St. Margaret Clitherow, pray for us. St. Nicholas Owen, pray for us! St. Edmund Campion, pray for us! St. Margaret Ward, pray for us! May we be graced with the same resolve as you, to be faithful to the Holy Catholic Faith!

Safely surrounded by a Cloud of Witnesses!

 

13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire Celestial Court during their life and at the hour of death.
Number 13 of the Fifteen Promises of the BVM for those who pray the Rosary,
Mario, you said a LOT in your post above. Good to hear it!

 

I was always specially touched by the death of St Margaret Clitherow because it was a very bad one. They crushed her to death with stones.

 

Horrid

 

And the answer to your question was not decided by a lay person like yourself. It will be sorted out by the Church Pope and Church Council to decide whether a Pope is a formal heretic or not. Not you! Humble yourself and let God work through his Church, as he always does. Not in your time, but his.

 

"Oh, Ye of little faith", you think your are the only answer to the problems with the Church? Then humble yourself and repent, because God has many way's to correct the errors within the faith. Your job and mine is to pray, fast and don't worry. If God is wanting more out of you he will tell you if you have humbled yourself to hear his voice. The last thing the Church needs is a Rambo.

 

I saw her house when I was in York. Holy ground. There is nothing new under the sun. That desperate time shows us what happens when Bishops and Cardinals fail to protect their flocks. What shining stars these English saints are.

 

Oh my. I had never heard of her.
I will have to go look her up.

 

I had read on a Catholic site that Pope Honorius was considered a heretic by a council and yet he remained Pope
[Translated by Google translator]

 

I think as far as I remember they crushed her to death for a specific purpose. I think what happened was if she had admitted to being a practicing Catholic then the State (by which I mean the thieves who martyred her) would have been able to seize all her property form themselves. But if she did not confess then everything she owned went to her kids. So for her children's sake she went through the horror of being crushed to death to force her confession.

 

The beautiful act of Margaret was her refusal to submit to a trial by jury. To refuse to do so resulted in the sentence of 1) her arms and feet were extended so she was unable to shift her body, 2) a sharp stone was placed under the small of her back, 3) a board was placed on top of her, and then weights were added to the board and gradually increased until she was crushed and her blood spilt out. Post #249 depicts this, though I believe her face was also under the board and was crushed, too.

Why then would she refuse a jury? This was an amazing act of charity. First, she knew the trial would be rigged, and that the jury would be forced to render a guilty verdict. Margaret did not want the jury members to carry the burden of such a decision. Second, her own children would be forced to testify in court against their mother.

St. Margaret, pray for us!

 

Luan, the situation with Pope Honorius is a complicated one. It is probably best to read up on it is your native language for this reason.

The basic story is that more than 40 years after he died Pope Honorius was anathematized along with the Monothelites at the Third Council of Constantinople.

I believe that he was not convicted of direct heresy, but that through his silence he allowed heresy to run wild in the Church.

There are many similarities with this period to what is happening in the Church today. Clergy and laity of all kinds are coming out of the woodwork proclaiming things that have never been a part of Catholic belief and no one is silencing them.

 

As long as we recognize the warning signs, listening to Sensus Fidelium should be safe.

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