Eye's to the Sky's Fr. Malachi Martin

I would like to recommend to anyone who thinks Father Gruner is under suspension to read this article from October 13th 2013 http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr107/cr107.pdf#pg2
I am not sure when the article that Padraig posted came out. The article was not dated. I held Father Gruner as 'invalid priest' for nearly 30 years after listening to those who persecuted him (like Father Robert Fox and Soul Magazine). I will not do so again. He is a holy priest in good standings with the Church. Yes, he is hated by the 'main stream' Catholic clergy and those who want to believe the Fatima consecration took place. I have studied his talks and writings myself and found out differently. Pope Francis has suffered the same persecution from the liberal press spinning his words. Once I read his actual words I saw differently. We must pray for Father Gruner, as he is a very persecuted priest for being the main figure to ask bishops and the pope to do as Our Lady of Fatima requested. He seems to be suffering from the 'tell a lie and tell it often enough and people will believe it'. The Vatican could not come up with any signed 'official' copy of any suspension. It is only lip service. No one has any document that tells of his alleged suspension. I found out it is a lie that has been perpetrated against him for 3 decades now, so the lie sticks despite no one having any signed document stating that he committed a crime worthy of suspension. Satan is smiling at this one.

 

Basically another Fr Malachi Martin or Fr John O'connor. They call it diabolical disorientation.

 

Apparently this 'official document' does not exist. Father Gruner has never received any notification of it, which he surely would have if it took place. Secondly, as in the article in the previous post indicates, the Vatican head of security told Father Gruner, after harassing him twice, that he would provide the document to him. He took Father Gruner's cell phone number so he could reach him with the signed document. He NEVER called him and he never provided the 'official suspension' document that day or the next day. It is apparent that Freemasonry is live and well within the Vatican. L'Osservatore Romano, the newspaper of the Holy See, is culpable of this grievous injustice to Father Gruner as well. Seems they bought the lie they were told with no questions asked, or they themselves are part of the Freemasonry ring in the Vatican. Unless the Vatican security is that poor, they should have had little problem finding a copy of the said suspension of Father Gruner.

 

Yes, Fr Gruner does seem to be the victim of a great injustice with regard to the constant accusations of his suspension. Without any document or basically any information about the supposed suspension being available, we have to assume he remains a priest in good standing.

That being said, I do not find myself in agreement with many of his views, especially with regard to ecumenism. However, I am convinced by the argument that the third secret of Fatima is not fully revealed yet.

But with regard to the claim that the Consecration of Russia has not been accomplished yet, I am very sceptical. There are a myriad of claims and counter claims about the matter. Fr Gruner himself indicates that Pope John Paul II, after the attack on his life, went out of his way to establish from Sister Lucia what, precisely, was necessary to accomplish the Consecration. It is almost inconceivable to me that, with that intention, he would fail to do it properly.

The best evidence that the Consecration has been done as Sister Lucia specified that Our Lady wanted is available at:
http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/fatima1984.htm

I have not been able to find any authentic refutation of the above information.

 

The only way to be sure is to write to the Vatican Department concerned itself and ask them.

I am uneasy about saying, 'Oh they are all Freemasons'. Jesus did not say the Pharisees and Saducees were not evil or wicked, he implied quite clearly they were a bunch of no goods, but he said quite clearly that they must be obeyed .

We must be careful of second guessing where obedience is concerned. If any of you wants to correspond with the relevant Vatican Department to produce counter evidence please feel free to do so and if such counter evidence is forthcoming I will apologise and recant.

But till then I firmly advise staying away, well away from Fr Gruner.


http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/fr_gruner.htm

 

Regarding the Consecration of Russia, there is a very interesting and thought-provoking 2007 message about this in the recently-discussed 'God speaks will you listen' locutions to Verne Dagenais and Cletus Schefers which I've just excerpted in the 'Cletus Schefers' thread. See what you think over there - makes a lot of sense to me...

 

I for one do not believe that the Vatican is"all Freemasons". Anyone who believes this is nuts. I would also contend that anyone who denies that Freemasonry is in the Vatican and within prominent hierarchy positions are also deceived. To many prophecies have confirmed that Cardinals against Cardinals and Bishops against Bishops is not exempt from the Vatican. Recall that Pope Benedict made a statement that "my authority stops at this door" in referring to his beliefs that he had no power with his words or actions within the very walls of the Vatican. I will defend Father Gruner until someone can manifest this alleged suspension document. There is NO proof that it has ever existed. It seems to me that he is being persecuted for his prominent stance that the Fatima consecration has not been fulfilled with the intent that Our Lady of Fatima repeated on several occasions.

 

Yes Davidtlig...this factual http://www.etwn.com/expert/answers/fatima1984.htm most definitely clinches it for me. The Consecration of Russia has been done. Father Gruner obviously disagrees and carries on a shrill campaign taking along with him people of good spirit... but deceived people non the less. Father Gruner should know that his mission as a priest of the Church should not be being about being devisive on one issue that he disagrees with...rather on service to the poor and evangelisation of unbelievers. Pope Francis is calling all servants of the Church to refocus on the Gospel and its messages. Father Gruner is a distraction to the mission of the Church. Look...if you can't believe what Sr Lucia says then that calls into question the whole Fatima event. Either Lucia is telling the truth or Lucia is lying. Father Gruner and his quasi apostles seem to certainly suggest Sister Lucia is lying...otherwise... why would they protest, disbelieve what Sister Lucia has said. Nuff said.

 

"Nuff said"?? Is that how a debate is closed these days by those qualified to do so? Well sorry, just prove Sr. Lucia said it and that might be the position. I believed it but certainly do not now. I am not going into the detailed points that have already been raised many times already but the 'era of peace' is conspicuously absent, no Pope has specifically mentioned Russia and Lucia's claimed words are hearsay (Cardinals are part of the problem and not the solution). What was that phrase? 'Nuff said'.

 

Steve...if I said it with a upper lip...maybe...but the question remains right in front of you. Do you believe what Lucia wrote...and if you don't...I'm simply at a loss. What more can be said. I chose to believe Lucia in her own writing and thus I believe that second guessing her is a colossal waste of time. If you do not believe Lucia...who can you believe? Steve also...the proof...the letters http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/fatima1984.htm

 

Thanks Peter B as usual. If it's good enough for the father it's good enough for me. Excellent read, highly recommended.

 

Sr. Lucia seems to have answered 'yes' on the assumption that the consecration was done in union with all the bishops of the world, which would have been a vain hope. There are also several people who claim that she emphatically denied that the consecration was valid. What would they have to gain? This debate could go on and on but the proof is all around you, no peace, no sign of peace, millions of babies killed each day. Islamic atrocities abounding. This is no era of peace, how could anyone regard it as such?

 

I also once believed the consecration was done,..but Sr. Lucia said many other things also, she spoke of diabolical disorientation which would affect the clergy and many other things. The consecration was done but not exactly as our Lady wished. There were graces that came with it, but the conversion of Russia to the 'True Faith" has not occurred in such a dramatic way as it would have to be attributed to to our Lady as Our Lord wished,..so that the Immaculate Heart would be venerated alongside His Sacred Heart.
The Church approved apparitions of Elena Aiello predicts Russia will strike, so that would not be consistent with the era of peace which we have not seen yet.

 

I stick by what Lucia has written. The reign of the Immaculate Heart of Mary is coming. Already Russia is starting to convert. We now have Pope Francis as pope who will reform the Church. The Holy Spirit is on the move...which means...which means we in the West are subject to purifying change...painful change...but purifying change none the less. It is through conversion of heart that we arrive at the reign of the Immaculate Heart.

 

I agree with Sister Lucia too, that the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary is coming. I see no believable signs that the communistic atheist government of Russia is converting. I will contend they have a smoke screen that is fooling many at the present.

 

How do we know who wrote the letter when it was not hand written it was typed?

Why was the only person in the world who was there at Fatima, and knew Our Lady's
inner thoughts on Fatima, why was she the only person in the world not allowed to talk about
Fatima with all excess to Sister Lucy to be authorised by the Vatican?

Why did Our Lord have to warn Sister Lucy

‘Make it known to My ministers, given that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, they will follow him into misfortune. It is never too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary.’

For various reasons many Popes have refused to obey Our Lady's directions, we can not condem them because we do know their reasoning behind it. Things are working out the way god wants them to, sadly he keeps refusing my (and a lot of other peoples) help in selecting dates for all these events. Like many
people i can feel the hairs on the back of my neck stand up because things are that close, but this time it is different. We have a new Pope with a deep devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary a deep devotion to the church an a deep devotion to us. I do believe before very long Pope Francis is going to answer all the above questions and a few more when he reveals the full third secret of Fatima, and he will also consecrate Russia to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart. And as Pope Benidict might say may the 3 YEARS that seperate us from the centenary of the apperations hasten the fulfillment of the prophecy
to the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.

 

I found the article in the Fatima Crusader about Fr. Malachi Martin very frightening. What should I pray for here - that people convert so that this does not happen or that God hurries to us and lets it happen? Right now all I can think of praying for is that Gods Will be done.

The population of the world in 1960 was about 3 billon I think. When Cardinal Bea said we killed a billon was he saying that we killed one third of the worlds population. Would the slaughter not be so much more now.

I never heard of scalar energy either. Is that the ray gun type of thing that somebody said would kill so many people in one burst. God help us if it is.

 

I think it could be connected to the first post on this thread. Something that Father Martin thought would happen in the spring of 1997 and perhaps with the same calendar then as it is in 2014, it may take place soon. Only speculation.

 

Comet Hale-Bopp was WARNING. UNPRECEDENTED Comet C/2017 K2 is the CHASTISEMENT.
What Fr. Malachi Martin expected to see was simply not in sync with the prophecy...a matter of opinion...distorted by the fallibility of human interpretation.
Note especially the year of Comet K2's discovery...2017...exactly 100 years after the visions at Fatima. 100 years is one day in cosmic time. Comet K2 reaches perihelion in December of 2022 and has the potential to fulfill the prophecy of "The Three days of Darkness" as well.

 

What do the valued forum members think of the video made by Carlos Evaristo, where Sr. Lucia dos Santos is interviewed by a Cardinal from the Philippines? In this interview, apparently, Sr. Lucia states that St. JP II's consecration of Russia was accepted by Heaven and that in the 1990's we were in "day three of Fatima week".