Evil Empire or Russia Consecrated?

Former FSB chiefNikolay Kovalyov, for whom Litvinenko worked, said that the incident "looks like [the] hand of Berezovsky. I am sure that no kind of intelligence services participated."

Good grief....your "theorist" is a member of the Russian State Duma and former director of the FSB, Russian Counterintelligence Service!

 

Yes, it is rather strange to see so many on the Right and Left united in their irrational hatred and demonization of Vladimir Putin.

 

So, you won't listen to members of the Russian government but you will listen to a British Kangaroo Court and to the propaganda coming out of Obama's State Department. Hmmmm......

 

Facts are facts, regardless of whether they are reported on Wikipedia.

The fact is that Berezovsky admitted in 2007 that he was plotting to bring down the Russian government saying, "We need to use force to change this regime. It isn't possible to change this regime through democratic means. There can be no change without force, pressure."

The fact is that after Litvinenko's death, traces of poloniom-210 were found in an office of Berezovsky and Russian prosecutors were not allowed to investigate Boris Berezovsky's office in London for the radioactive trace.

The British investigation was a farce and no serious journalist or scholar takes the conclusion seriously. Everyone knew beforehand that the British "investigation" would try and lay blame on Russia for political reasons.

The fact is that there has not been an independent investigation - one that is open to the Russians and considers their evidence - into the death of Litvinenko. Until such an investigation occurs, we won't know what happened.

The fact is that Litvinenko was working for MI6 in Britain at the time of his death. The crime occured on Britain's watch and yet the British government refuses to hold an open and fair investigation. Sort of looks like the Brits have something to hide, not Mr. Putin.

 

The allegations against Putin primarily are hearsay from people who are by no means impartial. I frankly disbelieve them. The Christians of Syria describe Putin as their last hope-I believe them, as they have no reason to lie.

 

Before you and Richard canonize Putin let me ask you a question. Have you ever heard him apologize for all the murders he was involved in while an officer within the KGB? Has he ever shown any remorse for horror's he participated in, as did St. Paul when he was killing Christians?

 

Who are all these people that Putin killed? Where did you hear this? Or maybe you think just because Putin worked for the KGB that he must automatically be a killer? By that logic every employee of the CIA must also be a killer.

 

US A-10s bombed city of Aleppo on Wednesday, shifted blame onto Moscow

Two US Air Force A-10 warplanes carried out airstrikes on Aleppo Wednesday, destroying nine facilities, Russia’s Defense Ministry reported. The same day, the Pentagon accused Moscow of bombing two hospitals, despite no Russian flights over the city.
“Yesterday, at 13:55 Moscow time (10:55 GMT), two American A-10 assault aircraft entered Syrian airspace from Turkey, flew right to the city of Aleppo and bombed targets there,” Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said Thursday.

Also on Wednesday, Konashenkov referenced, the Pentagon’s spokesman, Colonel Steven Warren claimed that Russian warplanes allegedly bombed two hospitals in Aleppo.

“In his words, some 50,000 Syrian have been allegedly deprived of vital services,” Konashenkov said, pointing out that Warren forgot to mention either hospitals’ coordinates, or the time of the airstrikes, or sources of information. “Absolutely nothing.”

“No Russian warplanes carried out airstrikes in Aleppo city area yesterday. The nearest target engaged was over 20km away from the city,” Konashenkov stressed, adding that on the contrary, airplanes from the US-led anti-ISIS coalition were active over Aleppo, “both aircrafts and UAVs.”

“I’m going to be honest with you: we did not have enough time to clarify what exactly those nine objects bombed out by US planes in Aleppo yesterday were,”Konashenkov said. “We will look more carefully."

"The situation in and around Aleppo has become, in our view, increasingly dire," Col. Steve Warren, Operation Inherent Resolve spokesman, said Wednesday."With the destruction of the two main hospitals in Aleppo by Russian and regime attacks, over 50,000 Syrians are now without any access to live-saving assistance."

Warren added, "There's little or no ISIL in the Aleppo area, so they're kind of, at this point, separate fights."

The spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry drew attention to the stunning similarity of the situation with the American airstrike on the Medecins Sans Frontieres hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, and the US bombing of the positions of the Iraqi army in Fallujah.

“What they do first is make unfounded accusations against us – to deflect blame away from themselves. If it goes on like this, we’re going to make two media briefings: one for ourselves, another for those coalition guys,”Konashenkov said... https://www.rt.com/news/332109-russian-jets-isis-warlords/



So now American warplanes are directly targeting civilian infrastructure and blaming it on Putin. This is demonic and what's even worse is Obama having the audacity to call for Lenten prayers for persecuted Christians https://churchpop.com/2016/02/10/in...ma-requests-prayer-for-persecuted-christians/ on the very day (Ash Wednesday no less) that he sends American warplanes on a evil, duplicitous mission in Syria.

 

Wow! The colors of the proletariat here in simple commentary have gone to decidedly red, pro Godless Commie tactics and anti-Fatima prophecies. You must be feelin the "Bern" too! Calme.....the enemies of your REAL enemy are your friends. At least a few are watching out for you even if you're not.

And, oh, btw, you can be relieved of your innocence re: Putin's ongoing crimes, previously and continuing with, well, we could simply mention his massive bombing campaign against Chechnya, many times manufactured in order to take charge and eliminate all opposition, again for his ongoing primary political objective, resurgence of Russia’s military and state security apparatus.....resulting in hundreds of civilians killed and thousands left homeless. And then we have the case of the opposition journalist (happy landing in Putin's Russia where opposition isn't very well tolerated), Yuri Shchekochikhin (one of the cases he was opening up for the public was one that Putin was directly in control of), he never got out with his info....no autopsy was permitted but his relatives got a specimen of his skin to London where a diagnosis was made of poisoning with thallium” (a poison commonly used by the KGB, at first suspected in the Litvinenko killing). And thus year after year after year during Putin's (or his surrogate's) reign one human rights activist after another critical author or journalist or investigator is found murdered, abducted, left in gutters, et al. So many dead Russians and so many naive Putin white washers who apparently don't read too much. If you're also disgusted with Obama just note his training and those in control of him...that apple didn't fall too far from his mentor's tree either. He has sided with Putin from the beginning and Putin's satellites....getting nothing in return....or maybe not!! One thing's certain though....they get us on a silver platter and with no defense. 4 words to remember.... violence, money, power, control.

 

I am making no attempt to canonise Putin, I assure you. I recently described him as possibly a common-garden tyrant elsewhere on this site, but cannot recollect where. Such tyrants have been as common as muck throughout history. Putin, however, doesn't strike me as being particularly wicked on that scale. He displays the normal traits of his class: a single-minded disposition to consolidate power. He doesn't appear eager to impose any new ideologies and he actually seems genuinely to be attempting to re-establish a more normative society in Russia, and has achieved some success. There is nothing particularly novel or particularly sinister about a powerful country interfering in its sphere of influence. It has always been the case. In fact, it is far more untypical for a nation to have documents in its department of defense outlining plans for the creation of seven failed states many thousands of miles from its borders. Not to mention fighting wars and fomenting them as far away from itself as Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

Apart from creating chaos throughout the Middle East, the USA is led by someone whose ambitions seem to extend beyond mere personal power, a president who seems to wish to destroy and invert the traditional mores of American society or that which remain that once made it such a great country. Looking in from outside, something has gone very wrong since Ronald Reagan. I assert that the Republican Party leadership that gained control post-Reagan is just about as liberal as the Democrats (it's partly due to those neo-cons; also corporate multinational business). This, thankfully, looks like it's about to change.

I don't have any knowledge of Putin's KGB activity, but many respectable and respected politicians have horrors to answer for. Truman, Churchill, Franco (whom I have great time for). Very few world leaders can measure up to St. Paul.

 

Your tone is a bit uncharitable. Less of the paranoia and the insults, please. This level of discourse is not becoming on this site, a sanctuary where I delight in avoiding that type of exaggerated hostility. Labeling several of us being "Godless", "Commie" and "anti-Fascist" is dishonest and upsetting. I will just continue a brief reply, for the record.

If you think those of us who are disagreeing with you are Bolshevik sympathisers, you are greatly mistaken. Nothing could be further from the truth. Putin is considered by myself, not speaking for anyone else, as the lesser evil than the Obama regime for the very reason that he has rejected communism. Even if he's a murderous tyrant, he is the lesser evil. By far. Russia is not communist anymore, but her errors have spread. They have spread to the US and to the rest of the West, mutating in the process to something far more virulent. In Russia the Bolsheviks had to impose the errors with gun and gulag. In the West, people are lapping them up voluntarily.

 

Wow, you are really turning nasty. Must be getting desperate seeing that you can't provide any real evidence that Putin has had people killed. Please remember that Pope Francis has time and time again warned against the sin of gossip, which he has likened to verbal terrorism.

I will also remind you that the upcoming meeting between Patriarch Kirill and Pope Francis would not have happened without Putin's direct support. It will be the first time in 1000 years that such a meeting has happened. I'd say the Fatima Consecration is continuing to provide abundant fruit.

As for Obama siding with Putin, you must live in an alternate reality. There are thousands of dead Ukrainian and Syrian Christians to attest to the fact that Obama has waged a proxy war against Putin, and continues to wage this war against Russia.

 

I'm not certain who you are intending to quote but it doesn't appear to be me. And I don't know where your source for Communism comes from but that also appears to be missing the mark. Communism always sets the foundation for black market, mafia, and corrupt oligarchs who intend to compete with the dictators. Communism has always been mainly for those at the bottom in order to keep them there. It always has been and continues to be that those at the top with the corrupt power are the only ones with the dachas. So many these days are cheerleaders for the various forms of Commie sourced and run systems but no one ever leaves the warm comfort of the, so far anyway, home fires (still somewhat affordable since Obama's latest scheme against the coal industry was somehow defeated by SCOTUS). So those cheerleaders are actually, by their actions, admitting to a big difference still between these historical systems of living. The Bolsheviks wanted less of the bad treatment. In the West the voters want more of the freebies. The same Satanic culprit takes advantage of both.

 

I believe you gave a good description on the situation as it stands today

 

Obama and waging war? Now there's an oxymoron. Since when? And, now now....don't make your admonitions to others part of your own method of operating. Evidence IS charity for one should always be open to the truth....thus, facing true facts is actually humility in thinking. Oh, to be charitable then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just happened to have missed the murders with their shared operative methods coming under the Putin regime. Remaining in ignorance is never justified by simply looking the other way. You need to read the history of how and why both the Russian Orthodox Church and the dictator of the day use one another, not out of charity, but for pragmatic purposes.

http://radiomaria.us/tag/russia/

And alas, it isn't nice to accuse with the term "you" rather than just share differences of opinion and let the current reality along with the historical reality rule the day. If you don't appreciate the general term of naiveté then simply don't own it by overly sensitive knee jerk reactions. Gosh, there is only one of me....more of you. Have a heart!

 

Since when did Obama wage war you ask? Come on, don't act like you don't know. He has waged war in Libya where he deposed Gaddafi in cold blood. Then he moved into Egypt where his Muslim Brotherhood-backed coup failed after the Egyptian people came to terms with what was happening. Then he moved to Syria where he started arming "Syrian Rebels" in an unjust proxy war against Assad. Then he backed the Ukrainian Maidan. Don't be so coy, earthtoangels.

Also, still waiting for the names of people Putin has had killed, and the evidence to back it up.

 

It seems to me that we are all arguing past each other, probably due to different experiences. I take it that you are in the US while those of us you consider to be soft on communism are in Europe. In Europe, Communism isn't the dirty word that you Americans have grown up with. We interact with communists all the time. Although they don't always call themselves communists, they push a communist agenda under titles of workers' rights, eliminating poverty, etc.

In Europe Communists get elected and, although they don't always gain overall power, they get sufficient influence to implement some of their agenda. They also have different ideals of communism, from Marxist/Leninism to Trotskyism. Don't ask me to define the difference because it's all Greek to me but it appears to matter to them because their ideological feuds can be as cut-throat as the stand-offs between socialism and capitalism. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, they mostly label themselves a democratic socialists. From my very limited understanding, I gather that the Marxist/Leninists are more of the Workers of the World Unite variety while the Trotskyists are softer on nationalism, but I could be way off the mark.

Although all are vehemently opposed to the belief in God, Christianity in particular, they pitch their message in a way that attracts Christians who have absorbed much about God's mercy and little about God's justice. The ideology gained a foothold throughout Europe and won control in Eastern Europe thanks to greed and abuse of power leading to warmongering among the elite at the expense of the masses. Anger gave them a foothold and power in Europe and anger will give them power in the US. That's what brought Obama to power and even though Sanders won't win this time a far worse version of Obama and Sanders will come to power unless there is a big change in attitude on the right. From a distance, it appears to me that the American right is almost as brainwashed as the American left. A decent healthcare system and a safety net for folk who fall on hard times is not communism. Real democracy is something that a society adopts after trial and error; it cannot be imposed by war or regime change. If you want to know why America, the country that tops the list for giving aid, is disliked and suspected by the recipients of that aid, take a closer look at what American businesses do in those countries. There isn't a whole lot of difference for ordinary people irrespective of whether the US foreign policy is headed by Democrats or Republican. Putin inherited his allies from the Soviets and has to play the hand he was dealt. His ambassador wasn't running guns in Benghazi.

I'm probably one of the few here who actually visited Soviet Russia and saw the dachas, the queues outside the stores, the government sanctioned shops that only took foreign currency, the plebs being pushed aside for the official cars in Red Square, ordinary people offering to buy the clothes we were wearing, and so many other signs that it was not a free and equal society. Believe me when I tell you that it wasn't hard for me to see the difference between what the far left preached and what was practised when they had control. Russians who lived through it wouldn't want to return to it, yet any Western leader would sell their granny to have Putin's level of popularity in the polls. Do you think that the Russians can't smell a communist from a mile off? Do you think that your sense of smell is sharper from thousands of miles away? I give the Russian people credit for knowing their own. Take care that you aren't so focused on Putin's shortcomings that you don't wake up one more to a full scale bolshevik revolution in your own back yard.

Sorry for the rambling post, but it is very hard to put into words the warning signs that we see and you appear to be missing.

 

I have yet to see Obama waging war as the President of the United States. Rather he has continued the use of a pittance of American troops as sitting ducks with his rules of engagement that place them in severe jeopardy. He has given the enemy information on numbers left behind and dates for withdrawal and the intelligence of what is permitted by his own troops. That is rather treasonous type of activity but nothing of the sort of any recognized CINC. Obama simply opened the region for the biggest thugs in the neighborhood to take over. It runs in his family. And those Syrian rebels are doing so well since Obama "waged war" with their help. Again, war and waging and Obama together? I don't think so.

Now then, to be of more humble help to your supposedly honest exploration of the question under discussion here....Putin silenced Yury Skuratov. And apparently you didn't find Putin's orders of the massive bombing campaign that murdered hundreds of Chechnyans acceptable to your standards? Putin opened Chechnya for Russian troops after declaring their President as, well, illegitimate....how convenient. It's good to be the king!
Under Putin's orders Russia was convicted of human rights violations before the European Court for Human
Rights and condemned for its abuses of the civilian population by every human rights organization under the sun.
"Thank you ETA"!

Yeah....apparently your kinda guy.

Opposition journalists, especially those who dared to report on what it going on in Chechnya, suddenly started dying as well. In 2000 alone, reporters Igor Domnikov,Sergey Novikov, Iskandar Khatloni, Sergey Ivanov and Adam Tepsurgayev are murdered — by blatant assassinations at home in Russia. Um "the buck stops here" applies to he who is in charge at the time. Now then, the litany: Sergei Yushenkov, liberal Russia political party, gunned down at his apartment due to investigation of Putin's KGB planting apt. bombs (this isn't the usual accepted "battlefield" btw); Yuri Shchekochikhin another member of same group...poisoned (tends to be the method of choice it seems at least in Putin's training); others of same commission were beat up by thugs or jailed (as I said previously Communism is the foundation for mafia type "techniques"); already mentioned Yuri Shchekochikhin whom you seemed to have deliberately? glossed over; many on blatant shams are sent to Russian jails or Siberia; with any and all opposition muzzled Putin was re-elected. Then the most public and powerful enemies of the regime started dropping like flies: Nikolai Girenko, Paul Klebnikov, Viktor Yushchenko, Andrei Kozlov, and most are quite aware of this one = Anna Politkovskaya; Alexander Litvinenko, Daniel McGrory, likely Paul M. Joyal, a friend of Litvinenko. Some sources within Russia talked of over two hundred fatalities. And from an already accepted source here, Wiki (not mine but I aim to please others who are willing to be convinced by this source): Alexander Khodzinsky; Kazbek Gekkiev; Akhmednabi Akhmednabiev; Timur Kuashev; and many more listed by Wiki too long a list to continue here. This list only extends those I had already taken the time to list but some aren't pleased with just being given a direction. Myself, when dealing with such serious methods of control I at least have more curiosity.

 

So, he doesn't measure up to St. Augustine on the convert scale. I'd still sooner have him than those who turn a blind eye to the genocide of Christians in the Levant while arming barbarians.

While we're waiting for the Great Catholic Monarch, we'll have to make do with the devil we know rather than the devils your heroes would foist on the world in the name of freedom and democracy.

 

Very good. But I would like to think that my watchfulness of a character with a nasty history, risen only via his willingness to carry out the KGB methods whole heartedly, becoming a rather overnight sensation for the "people's guy" is to counter just those who fall for such and who would fit those you mention as inviting your "bolshevik revolution in our own back yard here".

I don't get though your inviting other straw men here, certainly not alluded to by myself, like the character of the Russian people not being able to identify communism when it gets near. Huh? And generations raised on paying dearly personally for a form of security and without having to think and risk that thinking, showed their desire to return to such a limited existence when the changeover meant a period of real struggle to something so different and as yet to be experienced as a good. Human nature designs the same for any group raised in that particular type of environment. Here too people are having to make the decision of how much freedom to surrender for that security. And yes, I would agree that Europeans have enjoyed the academic exercise of comparing the various forms of privileged elitist discussion of various ideologies while having dissed their own real Christian history....willing to accept their gift of cake w/o effort on their part AND eat it too. Just as here it is asked "just how is that hopey and changey turning out for ya" one can ask Europeans just how that oneness and open borders are now (as well as accepted responsibility to cover for the bankrupted countries) working out....and at the expense of the unique differences of nationalities and cultures and pride in such. Perhaps another European having lived in the trenches of decision making, now "exiled" but with now desired advice to the drowning could still be an asset to those attempting some Realpolitik in Europe.....Germany's former Defense Minister, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg. But then again, while rejecting an objective observation from afar, that saying about a prophet being rejected in his hometown might just apply. The Baron seemed to have been just one of those; rejected and now wishing for his advice as a last resort. Europe is now the invasion training ground and our own dear leader is enjoying the chaos and hoping for same via our own deliberately unguarded borders. Could one dare imagine that Merkel has been promised (or threatened) by the powers that be to the extent of being analyzed these days by a prominent German analyst as sorta cracking under the pressure after having enjoyed being the narcissistic type of "mother" figure? Danger signs everywhere....that go far beyond any carefree academic discussions of very serious ideologies. Having lived several years in both the northern and the southern parts of Europe and traveled at least in every country of Western Europe I can see now, from afar, that such a utopian idea is having consequences of not only leaders there "cracking up" or seeming to lose their reason but it would seem the entire seamless idea is tearing apart...due to the realities given.

Getting late now and it would seem that all ideas have been expressed and well understood even if not accepted ....perhaps to a beleaguered end.