Evil Empire or Russia Consecrated?

No one is doubting that Obama is a Communist and was raised by Communists or that he serves the interests of the Satanic NWO rather than the interests of the American people. But Putin had nothing to do with that and to suggest otherwise is comical.

Obama serves the interests of Satan, this is true. But contrast that with Putin, who serves the interests of Russia and puts Russia above any other foreign interest. If only America had a leader like that. If only America had a leader like Putin who is not afraid to profess and defend Christianity in public. Putin is a great leader in the vein of the many great Christian kings we read about in history. True, Putin is not pefect, but neither were the many Christian and Catholic kings down thru the ages. But Putin puts God and Country first. The same cannot be said for Barack Obama and the people that support him.

 

Ask the Syrian Christians where the blame lies.

 

That standard could be applied to all political leaders in History and the results would not be good, for all men are sinners. But it is one thing to lie, another to definitively align oneself with the master of lies as Obama has done, calling upon his master to "bless" Planned Parenthood and other abominations. Putin might be a common-garden tyrant, that remains to be seen, but Obama is a contender for antichrist.

 

Putin sets the record straight on Crimea:

 

True, I am as convinced he is an evil man, as you are that he is a savior. I am not the least bit fooled by him or Trump.

 

No, I am not convinced he is a savior. Only one Man was.

But he is not an evil man, he does put God and Country ahead of the crappy NWO, and he does not deserve the constant demonization by the Western warmongers.

The interesting thing is that everything the West accuses Putin of doing and being, the West is itself guilty of. Classic case of demonic psychological projection.

 

Was God and country on his mind when he blew the civilian jet liner out of the sky or when he allowed his army to kill and invade his neighbor country Crimea? Is this Christian to you?

 

He didn't blow the civilian jet out of the sky. Even the Ukrainians don't believe he did it or authorised it. The most likely explanation is that people who support him did it, probably with a weapon supplied by the Russian military. It has also been suggested that Ukrainian planes were using civilian jets for cover or that they mistook the civilian jet for a military jet. Whatever the truth of it, if you were to hold every leader accountable for every piece of military equipment supplied to allies, just about every world leader would be in prison.

Crimea is not a country. There are arguments on both sides whether it is properly a territory of Ukraine or of Russia. Putin was acting in his country's strategic interests by annexing Crimea because it has a port that is vital to his country's defence. I suppose that as long as people in the West swallow the Putin is a devil propaganda, it draws attention away from some more authentic devils in their own leadership.

 

The only two things the Dutch investigation could say with certainty were that a Buk missile was at least partly responsible for the shootdown AND that Ukraine failed to properly control and close civilian airspace in the location of the crash. The Dutch never said who fired that Buk missile. Ukraine has plenty of Buk missiles. In fact, the company that manufactures the Buk missile system offered evidence to the Dutch investigation and it was refused. Here is what Buk manufacturer Almaz-Antey has found:

The damage caused by shrapnel to the aircraft involved in flight MH17 could not have been caused by a modern Russian BUK missile, the manufacturers of the weapon Almaz-Antey have stated.

The manufacturer staged two real-life tests involving decommissioned aircrafts and BUK anti-aircraft missiles to see whether missile complexes currently deployed by Russian troops could have been involved in the downing of the Malaysian Airlines aircraft on July 17, 2014.

The experiments were carried out on July 31 and October 7 with the help of 9N314M BUK missile warheads, which are currently deployed by the Russian military. The results of the tests “decisively indicate” that an explosion from such a missile leaves a distinctive “butterfly-shaped” puncture holes due to the shape of the shrapnel, Almaz-Antey, the manufacturer of Buk air defense missile complexes, said

“The Boeing 777, which carried out the flight, did not have a single hole like this and as a consequence, this absolutely excludes the possibility of a missile with double T-shaped shrapnel being used to strike this aircraft,” Almaz-Antey stressed in a statement on Wednesday, following the final report of the Dutch Safety Board that looked into the causes of the crash.

The Dutch Safety Board concluded the plane, which was carrying almost 300 people, was hit with a 9N314M-model warhead mounted on the 9M38-series missile. The weapon was fired from a BUK surface-to-air missile system from an area in eastern Ukraine.

Almaz-Antey maintains that in fact a 9N314 warhead was responsible. On Wednesday, they commented on the differences between the two warheads and whose defense forces may have been using the missiles mentioned by the Dutch investigators.

The manufacturer said the Russian army has not been using BUK missiles with 9N314 warheads filled with shrapnel different from a double T-shape, as these are “outdated,” while the production of such warheads was halted in 1982, Almaz-Antey stressed.

Almaz-Antey also noted that as of 2005, there were 991 missiles armed with 9M38M1 warheads in arms depots in Ukraine.

“We obtained this information through official channels. Back in 2005, the company conducted a pre-contractual engineering study of how long these types of missiles could be used for in Ukraine,” Almaz-Antey said, adding that they had a shelf-life of around 25 years.

“We also have data that 502 missiles of the outdated 9M38 modification were used by Ukraine’s armed forces during the same year,” the company added.

On October 13 the Almaz-Antey defense company presented the results of two full-scale experiments aimed at recreating the MH17 crash. The company concluded the missile that downed the flight was an old BUK model fired from a Ukrainian government controlled area, contesting the preliminary theory by Dutch investigators. https://www.rt.com/news/318653-buk-manufacturer-outdated-warhead/

 

The Russian Defense Ministry also released radar data following the shootdown that demonstrated that a Ukrainian Su-25 attack aircraft approached MH17 in an aggressive manner moments before the shootdown. The Russian Military also stated that an American military satellite was overhead the crash site at the time of the crash and that a Ukrainian Buk system was also moved into the area before the shootdown, then it was removed:

The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.

‘Ukrainian Buk missile system transported to militia-held area’

In addition, MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian army’s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ‘Buk’ missile systems, the Russian general said.

“We have space images of certain places where the Ukraine’s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,” Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk – a TELAR and two TELs, according to the military official.

Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

Radar stations of the air defense in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

While the third picture shows the location of the air defense systems near Donetsk, he explained. In particular, one can clearly see a TELAR launcher and about 60 military and auxiliary vehicles, tents for vehicles and other structures, he elaborated.

Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

“Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe – 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk," the Kartapolov said.

No Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

Buk missile defense units in Zaroschinskoe, 50km south of Donetsk city and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared near the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.

Images taken on July 18 show that the missile systems left the area of the MH17 crash, the military official said.

Kartapolov also pointed to the fact that on the day of the plane crash Ukraine’s military increased activity on the part of Ukraine’s Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are part of the Buk system.

"..there were 7 radars operating on July 15, 8 radars operating on July 16, and 9 radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found." https://www.rt.com/news/174412-malaysia-plane-russia-ukraine/






And finally, and perhaps most disturbing, the Russians claim to know that not only was a Buk missile system involved, but also an air-to-air missile was involved in the shootdown of MH17:





With 95 percent probability, the group of experts estimates the weight of the missile’s warhead (explosives plus strike elements) that shot down MH17 of being between 10 and 40kg.

This led the experts to determine the exact type of the weapon used against Malaysian Airlines flight MH17.

The report says that that Soviet- and Russian-made surface-to-air missile systems use more powerful warheads than the established maximum 40kg, as is the case with MH17.

Moreover, Soviet- and Russian-made air-to-air missiles which have a similar 10-40kg warhead capability use other types of strike elements within one warhead - obviously not the case with MH17.

A whole range of existing foreign air-to-air missiles have corresponding warhead characteristics, yet lack of physical elements of the missile used against MH17 prevented experts from establishing the exact type of the weapon used.

Still, the circumstances and conditions of the assault allowed experts to make certain assumptions.

The missile that attacked MH17 had a passive radar homing head, which explains why the missile exploded so close to the cockpit. Under the radar-transparent nosecone of a Boeing 777-200 there is a surveillance radar station operable during the flight, so most likely the missile homed on to this radar as the target.

Apart from a radar homing head, the missile could also be equipped with an advanced, matrix type, imaging IR seeker, which enables the missile to determine the size and the type of the target and choose for attack its most vital element. For a huge Boeing aircraft, that’s the cockpit.

A simulation of the missile attack has proved that missiles with that type of guidance choose to attack a big passenger plane from the front hemisphere.

There are four air-to-air missiles that fit the description established by the experts, namely: French Magis-2, Israeli Shafrir, American AIM-9 and Israeli Python – all short-range.

The first three have been struck off the list for various reasons, including type of warhead or guidance system specifications. The Python deserved a closer look.

The Python is equipped with a matrix-imaging IR seeker. It enables a relatively moderate power warhead to effectively engage big aircrafts. The warhead is armed with a set of ready strike elements. Even more importantly, some open military sources suggest that in early 2000s a number of Sukhoi Su-25 assault fighter jets we refurbished to use fourth and fifth generation Python missiles, which look very similar to the Su-25’s standard air-to-air R-60 missile. https://www.rt.com/news/310039-mh17-israeli-missile-version/

 

This and your previous post probably explains why there aren't regular news headlines demanding that the Russians apologise for shooting down the civilian jet.

What some here who buy into the demonising of Putin don't get is that the Russian opposition to Putin is being supported by the same interest groups in the West that are anything but Christian. That's my only reservation about Rubio winning the US election, along with a niggling concern about who is funding him.

Citing Human Rights Watch in support of an argument is an instant fail for me. They support just about everything that believing Catholics oppose. In 2010 George Soros pledged $100 million in funding for them. Putin is trying to reverse the Soviet abortion policy in Russia.

I would urge Fatima and others to stop looking for reds under the bed and realise that what the Communists espoused has been adopted all across the West on both the left and the right of politics. The reds have long since emerged from the shadows and rebranded themselves. The only thing separating them now is fiscal policy.

 

Indeed. Sadly for many outside her the once-great US, and her allies, have been living up to bin Laden's "Great Satan" label for quite a few years. It is blind paranoia to see Russia through a continuing Cold War lens. It is seeing the mote in the eye of the other while missing the beam in ones' own on a grand scale. One party in the US has a Stalinist leading its presidential nomination contest.

 

Mr. Putin is in the business of killing civilians and you want to rationalize that with some type of altruistic goal or something? He would not be there if there had been any kind of serious push back by the West and this lack of help caused the intended chaos to ignite and those formerly protected to be the goals for destruction by the extremist maniacs in far greater population numbers.

Why people think they convince with an argument that begins from a comparison of very bad examples doesn't win much applause.

In Mr. Putin's own argument against his killing civilians in Syria (and elsewhere in the Ukraine, below) he uses the fact that to him it doesn't matter whether Assad stays in power or not at the end of the Syrian conflict. So much for that dependable protection of those who had been dependent upon Assad.

The vast majority of the evidence adds credibility to the theory that an anti-aircraft Buk missile launcher, controlled by either Russian soldiers or Russian-backed fighters and fired from a field south of the town of Snezhnoye, destroyed the commercial airliner. The Buk is an advanced weapons system capable of destroying military aircraft or even ballistic missiles at an altitude up to 82,000 feet, and so its presence on Ukraine’s battlefield was always set to change both the scope and intensity of the conflict. But it suspiciously arrived in the arsenal of the Russian-backed fighters at a time when the Ukrainian military was making rapid gains and was perhaps closing in on a military solution to the conflict.

And any spin otherwise fades with the other self provided evidence that Russian troops were indeed instigating and fighting .... while arguing otherwise.....and that evidence was the many Russian troop selfies in the region offered to the public!

Looks more like Mr. Putin and Mr. Obama are playing their own intentional "good cop, bad cop" characterization of their same shared goals. While both benefit it's Israel who is made to be frightfully worried over each man's end goal within the region.....and the world. Will it be Syria or Iran who will be the greatest instrument for their demise? And with any Western action remaining mostly inconsequential it will be Mr. Putin to whom another former U.S. ally will line up for an audience to beg for survival.

 

That is a patently false statement and sounds like something straight out of Obama's State Department.

Another false statement. There is no evidence Mr. Putin killed anyone in Syria or Ukraine. I cited the State Department's own propagandist in the videos above as evidence that the West has ZERO evidence Mr. Putin has been deliberately targeting civilians in Syria. There is also ZERO evidence that Mr. Putin was responsible for the shootdown of MH17. In fact, all the evidence points to the Western-supported Kiev Junta as the guilty party and the party with the most to gain in shooting down MH17.

Syria is in the mess it is today because the West decided to fund and arm Islamic extremists groups as the muscle behind the violent Arab "Spring." These groups then took the road to Damascus. The West, not Putin, is directly responsible for creating the violent situation in the Middle East. I also recall that it was a NATO missile that shot down the Russian Su-24. I also recall that it was an American-made anti-tank TOW missile that destroyed the Russian rescue helicopter that was sent to rescue the downed pilots. If anything, Mr. Putin has been very patient with the West's violent provocations in Syria.

Ukraine is a mess today because the West funded and armed the violent coup d'etat against the elected leader of Ukraine, Yanukovych. It was only AFTER the West staged a coup, and only AFTER that coup turned violent and threatening towards the ethnic Russians in Ukraine, that Mr. Putin was forced to secure Crimea. Contrast Mr. Putin's actions in Crimea, where no innocent blood was shed, to the Western puppet Poroshenko's actions in the Donbass, where thousands of innocent people - mostly Christians - have been murdered, tortured and raped. The West is directly responsible for the carnage in Eastern Ukraine and if anything, Mr. Putin's response has been incredibly measured. How long Mr. Putin's patience with the West can last is anyone's guess. We should be very thankful that Mr. Putin is calling the shots in Russia, because there are still hardliners in Russia that would like nothing more than to put an end to Western warmongering once and for all.

 

There is no evidence Mr. Putin killed anyone in Syria or Ukraine.

Well then he should go back home and stop adding to his failing economy's woes by this apparent waste of time and money.

We should be very thankful that Mr. Putin is calling the shots in Russia, because there are still hardliners in Russia that would like nothing more than to put an end to Western warmongering once and for all.

Yes, our gentle version of Mr. Stalin....such a kind hearted little dictator....having seen the errors of his former life:

Gaunt and frail, his organs succumbing to the cruelly destructive power of radioactive poisoning, Alexander Litvinenko lay in a London hospital bed in November 2006 and identified the man responsible for his impending demise: Vladimir Putin.

Nearly a decade later, an exhaustive inquiry by a British judge concluded on Thursday that the dying former KGB operative was probably right. For the first time, the Russian president was officially implicated in a murder that seemed plucked from the pages of a Cold War spy novel but actually played out in the bar of a posh hotel in 21st-century London.

The victim: an outspoken Kremlin critic who had defected to Britain, joined the payroll of British intelligence and accused Putin of vices including corruption and pedophilia. The killers: a pair of assassins who, the report found, were almost certainly acting on orders from the Russian spy service, the FSB, and who left a trail of radioactive evidence strewn across London. The weapons of choice: one teacup and one massive dose of a rare nuclear isotope, polonium.

A Kremlin spokesman, without apparent irony, said the report would “further poison the atmosphere.”

From such scenarios I can see why you might fear any type of denigration of the man. Bad comparisons for rationalization to follow 3 2 1!

 

Would you, please, take a step back and look at what you have written. You are swallowing and regurgitating propaganda. Propaganda! A judge in a British court said that an allegation was "probably right", and you turn that into "indicted"! More than a few Irish people have spent years in British prisons because some judge declared their accusers to be probably right only to be proven absolutely wrong years later.

How long before the world is treated to another WMD war? Looks like you're ready to swallow the "evidence" hook, line and sinker.

 

Now this time it could be truly a correct reference to the old "pot/kettle" adage. I doubt if the UK would lightly ruin any diplomatic relationship with Russia by easily "swallowing" their own massive collection of evidence that involved 62 witnesses including scientists, intelligence, and whistle blowers who, btw, had much to lose and to fear and which 15,000 pages of documents were reviewed by the judge. Now then, within the Obama regime, such "judges" would have folded. So, no "propaganda swallowing" here.....rather prefer evidence (and you did use that term).

And I would reason that Marina Litvinenko, the now widow from the gruesome long death, who is a tad more familiar with Mr. Putin's modus operandi than yourself, and who suggested just that final conclusion herself is to be respected and offered condolences....at least. And speaking of contemporary means of new warfare like EMPs Russia has this capability and tested it during the cold war. Some officials from Russia suggested they could use this capability against the United States in 1999 during the Balkans conflict. I mean if they are not acting as very nice next door neighbors currently what kind of humanitarian considerations would they have against their historical enemies afar???

 

The British Litvinenko "investigation" was a farce. No serious legal authority would take their findings seriously.

Litvinenko was working for MI6 before his death. He also converted to Islam before he died.

You have to consider who had the means and motive to kill Litvinenko. Putin actually had the least to gain in his death. Two of the best theories I have heard are:

Berezovsky theory:

It has been claimed the death of Litvinenko was connected to Boris Berezovsky.[34][35] Former FSB chief Nikolay Kovalyov, for whom Litvinenko worked, said that the incident "looks like [the] hand of Berezovsky. I am sure that no kind of intelligence services participated."[36] This involvement of Berezovsky was alleged by numerous Russian television shows.[37] Kremlin supporters saw it as a conspiracy to smear Russia's reputation by engineering a spectacular murder.[38] They see Berezovsky's involvement as another campaign to ruin Putin's reputation internationally. Berezovsky admitted in 2007, that he was plotting to bring down the Russian government. "We need to use force to change this regime," he said. "It isn't possible to change this regime through democratic means. There can be no change without force, pressure."[39]

After Litvinenko's death, traces of polonium-210 were found in an office of Berezovsky.[40] Russian prosecutors were not allowed to investigate Boris Berezovsky's office in London for the radioactive trace.[41] Russian authorities have also been unable to question him. The Foreign Ministry complained that Britain was obstructing its attempt to send prosecutors to London to interview more than 100 people, including Berezovsky.[42]

In November 1998, Litvinenko himself had alleged there was a plot to kill Berezovsky who was the deputy director of the Russia state security council at this time. Litvinenko was allegedly ordered to be the assassin but refused to follow the order.[37][43]

British intelligence theory

In July 2007, Russian officials announced a criminal investigation had been opened into allegations made by Vyacheslav Zharko, who had turned himself in to the FSB.[44] Zharko said that he worked for British intelligence since 2002 and claimed that Litvinenko and Boris Berezovsky introduced him to MI6.[44][45]Zharko alleged that Litvinenko planned a series of terrorism acts including murder of Russian president Vladimir Putin.[46] An FSB spokesman said: "The Brits have been waging an information war against us and now we are responding in kind.".[44]

Lugovoi also accused British intelligence agents of being behind the killing, and claimed MI6 had tried to recruit him to spy on Russia.[47] Later, on 27 October 2007, the Daily Mail, citing unnamed "diplomatic and intelligence sources," stated that Mr Litvinenko was paid about £2,000 per month by the SIS (the British Secret Intelligence Service, better known by its former name – MI6) at the time of his murder.[48] Allegedly, Sir John Scarlett, the current head of the SIS, was personally involved in recruiting him. The claim was at first dismissed as "nonsense" by Mr Litvinenko's widow. During that time she said:[48]

"President Putin is providing Mr Lugovoi with his personal endorsement and backing in the eyes of the world. This indicates that Russia has something to hide and adds credence to Alexander's deathbed statement naming Mr Putin as the instigator of his murder."
But after the case was reopened in 2011, she admitted that Litvinenko was indeed a paid agent of British secret services.[49] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko_assassination_theories#Berezovsky_theory

I also find it interesting that Litvinenko's father believes that Berezovsky and Goldfarb were behind the murder:

 

Looks more like the Ruskies were sending a warning to Berezovsky via Mr. Litvinenko's "type" of death and then finally were able to help him as well to his demise....at least a less naive following of the story. And, oh dear, evidence is said to have been planted in Berezovsky's office....how obvious! And Berezovsky actually owed Mr. Litvinenko for his life...as he admitted. The senior Litvinenk's immediate judgement of his son's murder was indeed that Putin was responsible. “He said Putin was a man with a perverted mind, a very dangerous man. Daddy, be careful,” Mr Litvinenko senior said his son had warned. Only later did he even brand his son a traitor to Russia....on Russian state TV btw.....quite a distancing from the spontaneous declaration I would say. Evidently the examiners went with the elder's earlier statement after hearing what his son declared to him himself. The evidence is history....and the Wiki speculation....well, it remains just that. Not too many Oligarchs in competition with Mr. Putin are left around very long.

 

The truth is, Richard, that we may never know the facts. All the actors in the sorry state of Ukraine and Syria are more than capable of lying, assassinations, false flag attacks, and miscarriages of justice.

We know for sure that NATO armed cannibals in Syria; that the weapons were used in an attempt at genocide of Christians and Yazidis; that despite talks about grand coalitions to fight extremism the genocide was on target until Putin stepped in. That should be sufficient evidence for any Christian.

We also know that John McCain, a US politician, was front and centre at the start of the civil unrest in Ukraine. Wherever you see Mr. McCain promising people freedom and democracy you know that death and destruction won't be far behind, with big profits for the weapons industry.

We know that Israel and Syria's Sunni Muslim neighbours want regime change in Syria and they expect NATO to deliver it. Putin is standing in their way. We know that the public in the NATO countries have no appetite for war, so there has to be a reason for NATO to go to war against Russia. The public won't buy the WMD type excuse, which leaves NATO's common defence treaty......cue a false flag attack against Turkey. Anyone who thinks that a false flag attack is beneath any NATO member might want to check out the YouTube recording of the Turkish military discussing using such an attack against a Turkish shrine in Syria as an excuse to go to war with Syria.

Despite all this, there are members here believing every bit of tittle tattle from politicians and their supporters whose treatment of infants would embarrass Mengele. Go figure.