If this website is presenting the truth, how come there is no "About Us" at the top of the page? Why would all those messages be false, how could God be quiet for so many years especially when we see the increase of evil? Please, not meaning to argue, give the last truly from God private revelation? Light of Mary messages speak of the celestial coming, Gianna Sullivan heard of the "two suns." So, is Light of Mary false too? From the yet to be approved messages, when things get really awful (chip time), our angels will guide us to God's refuges or for some who cannot travel, their homes will be a refuge. Is this a copycat of the listed as false prophet, John Leary? How can it be? Lec received his messages in church, directly after Mass, a few minutes before receiving Our Lord in the holy Eucharist. Message From the Father To: Lec of the Philippines July 12, 2008 6:40 AM Son, rely on Me for support. On your own efforts alone, you will find insurmountable hardships but with my help, guidance and direction, life ahead will not be too an excruciating pain. My favor rests on my faithful children, those who endure to the end. Not too far from now will the great changes take place, changes that will try men’s souls. Only your faith in my providence can help you get through the difficult times. But do not worry too much on what you will eat, what you will wear, where you will go and where you will spend time when tribulation is here. I have already prepared what is needed to help my faithful pass through these prophesied times. All is in readiness. Wait for my representatives to lead you where you will spend time during the great turmoil. Be at peace, do not worry!
You said: How could be God quiet. How could be God quiet during Crucifixion? To Maria Valtorna Jesus said, that until the Warning he will be quiet, because mankind doesn't love Him. In cross they killed his body. Today they are killing his mystical body and the graces in themself. Therefore this sin is greater, because it is not followed by resurrecion. And therefore God can be quiet. Or? What nobody doesn't see? He sends a Woman. The same Woman, who stood under cross. Heaven is quiet yet, but already not long. But we have here Our Mother. We are not abandoned! Thank You Father for your Mercy!
This (http://www.apparitionreview.com/) is not a reliable website. If it's run by Catholics, they are confused and misled, but it could also be Protestants trying to save us from our idolatrous "worship" of Mary. The first red flag for me was, as Jackie noted, no "About Us" section." Then in the "Prayers" section, there are no prayers to Our Lady, or that even mention her. But the first prayer says this: http://www.apparitionreview.com/prayers.html "Heavenly Father, in the name of your Son, my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, I renounce and forsake my involvement with the sin of idolatry, superstitious practices, and all vows of consecration that I have made to spiritual entities other than the one true God—the Blessed Trinity. I renounce the practice of offering prayers and worship to false gods and selling my soul along with the value of my good deeds to spiritual entities operating under religious-sounding names." This clearly sounds like an attack on the St. Louis de Montfort consecration. And if you go to the website of "Catholic Media Group" (http://www.catholicmediagroup.com/) who run the apparition review site, they have even more anti-consecration propaganda: http://www.apparitionsites.com/consecration-vows-unknown-entities.htm "Anyone who prays this prayer (whether aware of it or not) is making an agreement in the spiritual realm with an entity called the Immaculata. .... It is questionable why anyone would want to consecrate himself or herself to any entity other than the Blessed Trinity. ...." http://www.consecrationvows.com/serious_theological_errors.htm "The modern-day consecration vow movement within the Catholic Church started with a book written by Saint Louis de Montfort entitled A Treatise on the True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin. Although Saint Louis is considered a good and holy saint whose life displayed many profound deeds of charity, his treatise with the consecration vow contains many exaggerated statements and serious theological errors." While many of the apparitions and devotions they mention are indeed false, superstitious, or New Age, and they are using Catholic sources to make their point, in the end they are clearly are promoting a Protestant view of Marian devotion (or prayer to saints) as idolatrous. http://www.apparitionsites.com/isis-queen-of-heaven.htm "In the early Church, worship of the female goddess Isis was easily converted into devotions to Mary the Queen of Heaven. .... In an article entitled Isis: Queen of Heaven, Carl Teichrib, a Canadian-based researcher who writes on globalization and the occult, says, 'Goddess veneration of the virgin with child has been a central belief for various societies throughout history. Indeed, many leading occultists see striking parallels between the Roman Catholic Virgin Mary—the Queen of Heaven—and the goddess Isis. And the comparison is startling. Presently, Roman Catholicism holds Mary to be eternally virgin, just as Isis was. Catholicism also contends that Mary was without sin, making her into a type of god. In fact, there are some who claim that Mary is the fourth person within the Trinity. This belief is linked to Catholicism’s claim that Mary now has a direct say in mankind’s salvation through her role in co-redemption and mediation.' There are many New Age websites who claim that the female goddess Mary is the same spiritual entity known as Isis. This entity is currently operating under a myriad of names including: The Great Enchantress, Goddess of Magic, Queen of Heaven, the Immaculata, Ascended Master Mary, Queen of the Gods, Star of the Sea, Goddess of Love, and Our Lady of Light.7"
The list of "Contributors" seems to simply be a list of clergy that have issued rulings against or warnings about any alleged Marian apparition. There's no indication that they actually "contribute" to the site. They probably don't even know it exists.
Yes, Jeanne, you are right. I think I may be a bit too suspicious of some of the motives of some bishops! Whoever the group is who created the site, they are certainly focused on 'dissing' contemporary apparitions. The idea that it is a place to find the truth about these events is rather laughable.
Charlie Johnson article on discerning private revelations. From Catholic Stand: http://www.catholicstand.com/private-revelations-believe/ Private Revelations: What Are We to Believe? Charlie Johnson • November 2, AD2015 I had the recent and fascinating pleasure of getting myself confused on-line with a fellow Catholic and so-called “seer” from Colorado named Charlie Johnston.* The reason for the confusion being obvious. And as may be expected, it made for an intriguing foray into what the man has to say about his purported messages from heaven. It also drew me deep into an exploration of how the Catholic Church looks at claims of this kind. To journey through her wisdom on this subject of private revelation makes for a compelling exposé, I would say, into one of the finer points of our Catholic faith. What are private revelations? The Church makes a distinction between what is called public, or “universal” revelation, and private revelation. Public revelation is most easily understood as the “deposit of faith” or the twin foundation of what is recorded in Sacred Scripture and perpetuated by Sacred Tradition. As such, the deposit of faith is a closed matter. Nothing can be added to or taken away from it. It is easiest to think of this type of revelation as encompassing all of the essential matters of the faith, for example, the doctrine of the Trinity or the Incarnation. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) puts it this way: The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ (CCC 66) In other words, Christ and the apostles closed the canon on public revelation that is binding on all of the faithful. This does not mean that further clarification is not necessary, as that same section of the catechism goes on to say: Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries. This is the arena of the teaching Magisterium of the Church. The Bishops and the Pope may clarify or “make explicit” certain matters of faith, but they never re-define or change what has already been given. Private revelation is something of a different sort in that while it may come from God, it may not add to or take away from the deposit of faith, or in any way contradict the faith and morals that have been handed down to us (CCC 67). It may be helpful to think about it within the parameters of capability and function. On all of the essential matters of the faith, the Holy Spirit has made a way for us to receive a revelation that is not subject to human error. The dual foundations of Sacred Scripture and a Sacred Tradition have the means, or capability, of making that truth plain to us. It serves the function of granting the Church an arena of Truth that can be trusted. As noted, the Magisterium may need to clarify, but it never changes these essential truths. On a private or individual basis, there is no such guard against errors as we are fallen creatures and are, unfortunately, capable of being deceived. Therefore, individually, we are incapable of providing binding revelation for the whole body of Christ. That would not be the function or capability of private revelation. How does the Church get involved? Now that we have a handle on the general character of public vs. private revelation, it is worthwhile to ask how the church approaches claims of private revelation. Most Catholics are well acquainted with the events of Lourdes, Fatima and Guadalupe. Though all of these famous apparitions are approved by the Church, they are not considered a part of the deposit of faith. As such, these events would fall into the category of private revelation. In keeping with the spirit of 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21, “Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophetic utterances. Test everything; retain what is good. Refrain from every kind of evil…” the Catholic Church does not automatically close its mind to these things. So while the three miraculous events of Lourdes, Fatima and Guadalupe are approved by the Church and held close to the hearts of many Catholics, the lay-faithful are not required to believe in them. Without these events, technically, the message of the gospel is unchanged and so is the deposit of faith. The approval of these apparitions and any other private revelation is the purview of the presiding Bishop wherever they occur. The Bishop may investigate, if he so chooses, and make a determination about the private revelations. He may find them as giving signs of supernatural origin and in no way contradicting good faith and morals. But as in the case of any other well-known and widely accepted event, such as the aforementioned, even if the Bishop approves, the lay-faithful are not required to believe or accept the occurrences. Continued...
More from Charlie Johnson... What should the lay-faithful’s response be to private revelations? As I mentioned at the beginning of this article, I was recently presented with an opportunity to explore the claims of someone else’s private revelation. Now that I am familiar with the scope of private revelation, what it is, and what it is not, and what the Catholic church has to say about it, the question remains – what do I do with this information? The Church has a process for judging alleged private revelations. It is a well-involved process outlined in a document called “Norms Regarding the Manner of Proceeding in the Discernment of Presumed Apparitions or Revelations” published by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), which you can read here, in its entirety. I would be willing to wager that most Catholics do not have the time or the resources to undergo the same process that the Church does when investigating these types of claims. But here are some helpful highlights from the CDF document to guide us along the way and can, for the most part, be practically applied by anyone: What is the moral character of the person claiming visions or messages from heaven? This one may be common sense. Do they usually tell the truth? What does their devotional life look like? Are they prayerful, rooted in the teachings of the Church and in sacred scripture and are they given to study? Do they yield to the Magisterium? Do they bear fruit and display Christian character? What is the nature of the claims that are made? Do they aim to edify but in such a way that does not take away from what we already know to be true? Some warning signs would be: Immoral character of the individual claiming the revelation. Doctrinal errors attributed to God, Mary, an angelic messenger, etc. The “visionary” is seeking to profit off of his or her claims. Any evidence for psychosis or hysteria. I think it would be proper to add one more essential element to the foundation we are building. As we tuck this all away in our hearts and in our minds, we should remember the law of Love, which is the law of Christ: “Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing” (1 Cor. 13: 7-8). The person who claims to receive private revelation, whatever merit they might have or not, is an image bearer of the God who made them. What the church says on any matter is void of any meaning if it is understood beyond the context of genuine love. How we decide on these matters and talk about them with others should always be flavored with Christian charity, with an aim at building up and never tearing down. Respecting Church Authority I hope this information helps you as much as it helped me. I have heard claims to revelation that have dazzled my imagination and that have provoked both fear and awe in me. Turning my mind to the wisdom of the Church has been a soothing balm and a faithful guide. I have good tools to use going forward. I know that the individual making claims to private revelation does not have to be perfect, since we are all fallen, but who they are and what they are saying does need to have a certain character about them. I know that I must be cautious in believing too much, too soon, without properly forming my conscience on these matters. And I must be careful never to go further than the Church does on matters of private revelation. Sometimes it may be best for me to wait on her judgment.
The one characteristic of a true prophet that Father John Hardon SJ, said must be present is HUMILITY. I agree with this most learned/holy theologian on this point.
Jeanne is right when she says that the Bishops listed are not contributors to the website but merely Bishops who have ruled/cautioned against following certain seers/locutionists or forbidden the use of Church property under their jurisdiction to be used for promoting the messages or apparitions. I see nothing anti-Catholic or Protestant on the site. They encourage people to consult their parish priest. They support their negative opinions with direct quotations from the Bible, the Catechism and Bishops. Yes, they go overboard in their attempt to draw attention to what can be an unhealthy cult surrounding Our Blessed Lady that I believe she would not want. Nevertheless, they make a valid point about saints, angels and even the Mother of God being hijacked by demonic New Age practices which is something that we Catholics should be aware of and guard against. I wasn't recommending the website. I merely linked to it because it listed so many prophets or visionaries promoted on this forum and gave reasons to treat them with caution. Although my search didn't produce the main website of the Catholic Media Group, one search result brought me to a CDM bookings website where Catholic speakers and musicians can be booked for gatherings or events. Some of the speakers are familiar from EWTN. You said earlier in this thread in response to Clare's comment about someone from the CDF saying that nobody in Rome believing in Medjugorje: "I also think it is probably largely true! This is one of the main reasons the Vatican has been unable to provide proper guidance on contemporary apparitions. It is almost certainly the main reason why the Pope has been unable to offer the results of the Medjugorje commission set up by Pope Benedict after it completed its lengthy investigation a couple of years ago." This is the kind of comment that strengthens my conviction that Medjugorje is either a scam or demonic or both. Such an unfounded, sweeping statement about the motives of the people the Church has entrusted with discerning the authenticity of alleged apparitions suggests to me that the "Gospa" is sowing divisions between the shepherds and the sheep. When searching for the Pope Francis statement about the Virgin Mary not being a postmistress, I came across a piece on another website that sums up my feelings about Medjugorje and some other supposed prophets being promoted on the forum: http://te-deum.blogspot.ie/2013/11/commentary-pope-francis-says-mary-is.html While I know as little about this website as I did about the one linked in my previous post, I certainly recommend that people read the commentary on the linked page.
If something is true, it's true with or without an "About Me". They give the reasons Gianna Sullivan was forbidden to promote her messages on Church property. There's no reason to suppose that Satan wouldn't be aware of a yet to be discovered Sun-like planet in the universe. So what if he told Gianna Sullivan about it. I don't know who Lec of the Philippines is and, to be honest, at this stage I don't care because these days it seems like anyone who shows up in Church and claims to have prophetic doomsday messages from Heaven is automatically believed. Sorry, Jackie, if that sounds rude. I'm beginning to feel like nobody's child because the only time I see someone from Heaven is at Mass when the priest holds up the consecrated host and chalice.
Little Voice, my question, you didn't put in context, the entire sentence. I was speaking of those who so easily reject private revelation not yet approved. That website is example. God speaks to the world every day through His messengers. We can believe them or not. Amen to Our Mother, she changed my heart, it was because of Our Lady, I was converted/reverted.
Dolours, I was giving example of God revealing the sequence of events, the sign in the Heavens before the Warning and going to the refuges guided by our angels, to two messengers not just one concerning the two subjects. Maybe, God keeps repeating because of our doubt. Even though Light of Mary has heard of a celestial as Gianna did, you call Gianna's from Satan. You don't know of Lec of the Philippines, okay but isn't it confirming, the place and especially the time that he received his messages? The prophesied events are close, "soon", they haven't happened, the Church is prudent, she has to wait. Don't believe websites dishing the yet to be approved ahead of time. If I only accepted the approved, I wouldn't know of or believe the gift of God's coming Warning. I first read of it because of Garabandal. Friends, I hope, yes?
Harper, 1) Can you tell me if the above "Catholic Stand" and "Little Vatican Media" have been given any official endorsement by any Catholic Diocese? 2) Can you kindly tell us what your affiliation is with "Catholic Stand" and "Little Vatican Media" is? ... as you seem to believe that the Charlie John. no T..son in the "Catholic Stand" article has some "Catholic Standing" in your unrelenting Hit-Job and Vendetta upon the Charlie Johnston of TNRS......... and I notice that Kevin Symonds is affiliated with the above and like you came to MOG with nothing kind to say about Charlie of TNRS and you were quite the Cheerleader of Kevin before he made his ignominious departure! 3) Inquiring minds here at MOG would like to know ... What.. Exactly?.. is the Deal Here! ...Eh!!?? GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
I'm sorry, Jackie, for not reading your post properly. It's the middle of the night here and I'm still awake after a tough couple of days' work in the garden in scorching heat. (When I say scorching, I mean in the high 20s which is very hot for us especially after a wet summer). We'll be back to wet and cold on Thursday so I have to do as much as I can while the rain holds off. The sticky heat is keeping me awake now but I'm too tired to focus properly. I'll read your post again tomorrow when I can give it the attention it deserves. I don't recall hearing about the Light of Mary so I'll have to look it up. Friends definitely. Goodnight - actually, it's good morning here.
Now, it is not important, whether prophets are true or false, but why the false prophets come... You maybe have not the thinking of freemasons, but LittleVoice fully understands their game. They create a scene, a image. Secular freemasons create political theater and for simple people sport events, games... For minded people they create conspiracy theories. Church freemasonary creates the end-time conspiracies, because they must create the scene for real AC. You have in your minds their image, many of you. But the reality and the future is quite different. They misused even authentic Revelation (e.g. A.C.Emmerich or maybe also Garabandal) so that they spread lies. LittleVoice writes the other image, based on spiritual vision of Revelation. The main aim of church freemasonary is your blindness, when true AC will come. I think, that only few of you will recognize him. And LittleVoice claims, for those, who were not able to recognize the false prophet, it will be more more more difficult to recognize AC.
CD, 1) I have no idea, but since they provide full information on staff, policies and contact, I suggest you ask them. 2) None. Found them by browsing for articles on discernment. 3) The vicious personal attacks on those expressing doubts piqued my interest. I didn't arrive to comment on Charlie; I'd been here for more than a year before I began commenting on him. I never knew of Kevin before he came to MOG. I was appalled by the bullying he received from the likes of you. He is well-educated and articulate. That a mob pushed a theologian off MOG shows how far the forum has fallen. Going forward: I will not respond to any future posts of yours, CrewDog. At all. I will do some Googling on Charlie Johnston. If I find anything noteworthy I will post it as I see fit. If I find anything that warrants the attention of the Denver archbishop, I will submit the information to him.
I'll let others here, Harper, decide who is doing the Vicious Attacks and who is not ... and whether your obsession with Charlie Johnston and posting of The Negative in every venue you can find here is, in fact, a Vendetta of Long Standing that I think it is! I care not if you answer me or no as your "answers" are ... not answers!! GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
