Countdown to the Kingdom

Yes, AED. It ain’t over til it’s over.

 

P. 111 of "On Edge of Grace", Christine Watkins describes what happens to her while reading Vassula's book at a Cursillo (another cult) retreat. What's described is a demonic encounter.

There are legs to the Vassula connection. (Thanks Christy.) I've personally corrected Mark Mallett. His response was clearly of spiritual pride. He scorns and mocks the Doctors of the Church. Ever since then, despite his mesmerizing analysis, I am leary of him.

The entire CTTK is a demonic stronghold. Only a couple mystics perhaps are trustworthy. And make no mistake: I really like Watkins especially. The Vassula connection and also his lies and disobedience are what clued me in to Iannuzzi's charade (and he's definitely the cleverest and smartest of the bunch). This is witchcraft, folks. Much more dangerous than you think.

 

Along this line, I've been putting things together more in the last day or so, we have often been told the Warning would come when things are at their worst and after the Pope goes to Moscow.

Ok, things are bad in some ways, nasty global pandemic not under control on the U.S., lots of bad weather around the world, ongoing riots in the U.S., to say nothing of defiant anti-Christian laws increasingly on the books, socialist local gov admin on the verge of communistic....BUT truly things are NOT the worst they can or will be.

We are also being cautioned much more recently to be watchful & ready for this Fall! Here in the U.S., we have a biig election in Nov. While many of us perceive our sitting president to be an incompetent leader on so many levels, I will give you, he is no doubt preventing full on Communism from taking hold everywhere. It makes a lot of sense to me these recent urgings may be warning us of Communist take over.

I'm tempted to ask a couple of younger priests if they would be willing to take Mass "underground" into homes if/when they are flatly outlawed, regardless of reason. Now that many diocese are reopen for public Mass, this is the time to ask!

 

Out of curiosity why do you reference a Cursillo retreat as a cult? I have never attended one but know of several very devout Catholics who have attended these retreats and come out with an even stronger faith. I have never once seen any type of cult like thinking coming out of anyone who has attended these retreats. I know some people on a very personal level, a family member who decided to become a Deacon.

 

I say this with respect. I know I am going over old ground.

But how can you correct anyone when you have broken with the see of Peter?

No one on this forum is going to take you seriously John R when you take it upon yourself to decide who is Pope. Pope Francis was elected Pope after a conclave.

Pope Francis is Pope and you are not in communion with him.

I think this is a serious issue that is going to impact on this forum but it is up to the moderator's to make judgements.

 

I know what she meant, She meant that the people associated with CTTK are influenced by negative( for lack of a better word ) sources . Id like to know who or what those sources are? If there are 'baddies'" behind all that the CTTK promotes...then I meed to know who they are so I can decide whether CTTK is worthy of my time.

 

John......"I've personally corrected Mark Mallett. His response was clearly of spiritual pride. He scorns and mocks the Doctors of the Church"
This is not the same Mark Mallet that I know. Prove it!!!

 

I'm not sure I am following you, garabandal.

You seem to be saying, John R's position on the validity of Francis's papacy precludes him from being an accepted poster on any other matter. Correct?

You are saying the "impact on this forum" requires the intervention of the moderators. Why? How, exactly, does it impact the forum as a whole? If it is old ground, why jump in now?

Third (point of order) perhaps you should begin a new thread, rather than start a Francis discussion on "Countdown." CTTK, sadly, has enough issues of its own

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Correct.

He is not in communion with the Pope therefore he is schismatic. 'Where there is Peter there is the Church'.

I may well be in a minority of one in this matter but if he is schismatic then how can we take him seriously on any moral or theological issues?

 

I haven't thought of the Cursillo movement for quite a while, but it has satisfied a need of the Church and was very timely.....the Holy Spirit usually is!

A little background:

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Origination of the Movement
The Cursillo Movement began in Spain in the mid 1940's on the Island of Mallorca. Layman Eduardo Bonnin, inspired by the Holy Spirit, was the primary leader in founding the Cursillo Movement, with the support of Bishop Juan Hervas. The Cursillo Movement came to the United States at Waco, Texas in 1957. The first few years here it was only given in Spanish. Then along came Father Fidelis Albrecht, a Franciscan priest. His parish was in San Angelo, Texas, plus he had 4 mission parishes.


Fr. Fidelis spoke and wrote several street dialects of Spanish. Long story short – the Holy Spirit so inspired him that he ended up attending 18 more weekends in Spanish; before he completed translating it into English. He was the Spiritual Director of the first English speaking weekend in November 1961.


In 1962, Bishop Charles Helmsing invited Fr. Fidelis to bring the Cursillo Movement to Kansas City and surrounding areas. The first weekend was held here December 6-9, 1962. Kansas City served as the Cursillo Center for most of the midwest for several years. From Kansas City, Fr. Fidelis and lay teams helped open about a dozen other Cursillo Centers throughout the United States, including a sister movement in Opelousas, Louisiana. Fr. Fidelis passed away in 1973.


The Cursillo Movement has now spread worldwide in several languages. The United States National Center is located in Jarrell, Texas.



A Worldwide Movement
The Cursillo Movement has received the personal recognition and blessings of the popes, including Pope Paul VI (who designated St. Paul as its Patron Saint), John Paul II, and Benedict XVI. The Cursillo Movement received Canonical Recognition and approval of its statutes from the Holy See.


The Cursillo Movement has been so effective in the Catholic Church; that many other Christian denominations modeled similar programs off it. Their programs generally have names other than Cursillo, such as Walk to Emmaus, Walk with Christ, Camino, Tres Dias, etc. Marriage Encounter, Christ Renews His Parish (CRHP), and many other programs also modeled themselves off Cursillo. There is even a spin-off prison ministry (Kairos); as well as for youth: Search, TEC, etc.

 

Perhaps, this could have been better handled through private messages than a public challenge. Especially if you want the mods to intervene, a conversation with them.
And, it still seems to me you are taking the fight into this thread, which has a different focus.

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Virtual Retreat on End Times

Veritas, posted the following on Unveiling to the Apocalypse Forum.

FYI, there is a virtual retreat on the End Times available online with Fr. Chris Alar of the Divine Mercy in Stockbridge, MA available at the following link. It will only be available until Monday morning.
We listened to the first talk last night and it was very good. Here's some info.

Father Alar's virtual weekend retreat: https://sisterservants.org/alar/

For your convenience we have created a suggested retreat schedule for the weekend, but we encourage you to watch Father Alar’s 5 talks whenever you would like to begin. They will be available until Monday morning (July 20).

There are several online videos to watch over the weekend, such as Father’s talks, the Sisters’ live-stream of prayers, as well as optional Zoom meetings with the Sisters and Father Alar on Saturday.

http://unveilingtheapocalypse.blogs...-seal-and-keys-of-abyss.html?m=1#comment-form

 

John R publicly declare his schismatic position on this thread. So I have a right to mention it on the thread in a public manner. I have also tried to reason with him on this forum that his position is wrong.

I have started a new thread -- feel free to participate. It is called the Rise of the Benevacantists (although John R does not agree with this description).

 

Thanks, garabandal.

 

You have zero authority to declare me a schismatic. You don't know what that means.

It is also a fallacy of petitio principii. You assume the answer to the question being raised.

So was St Vincent Ferrer the schismatic or was St Catherine Sienna?

We have had some 40 antipopes throughout history but never were adherents of one or another considered schismatic until after the Church resolved the issue. Sometines this would carry out for many decades and over the course of many papacies. St Peter Damian upheld the false pope himself. Was he schismatic? You are a most dishonest man. These are serious accusations and you will answer to God. As I stated my spiritual director of many years had no problem. Nor have I read any Church authority that has said so. Even the noted theologian Monsignor Bux has PUBLICLY raised the question.

Stop the devilish nonsense

 

He is not the only member of this forum who believes exactly the way he does. I can think of at least two and possibly three right now.

 

I am not sure about that. There are a few who are sympathetic to the idea that Pope Benedict's resignation was potentially invalid. As an hypothesis it is attractive to many. But they await a ruling from the Church authorities. We as lay people cannot make the call that Benedict is still Pope.

In addition JohnR has claimed that Pope Francis is an anti-Pope so that puts him in a unique position on this forum.

 

I have reread my lengthy exchanges with Mallet. He is not scornful. I retract that. Rather he is much more deceptive. He deceives himself first. He dismisses John of the Cross' advice when it comes to judging private revelations. I think I had missed some shift in his response to me. It seemed he scorned St John. Rather he said St John does not apply to mystics so long as they don't desire mystical favors. But that is quite foolish. He simply sidestepped my question.

He does not apply the standards of St John of the Cross to various seers. He also inverts the Church's teaching on private revelation setting the burden on alleged naysayers instead of the seers. That's a huge self deception.

The Church never "approves" private revelation. It's judgements are not free from error. So, we are free to critique seers.

The worst is that the Church has all but inverted the rules for discernment. And this has only now become clear to me just in the last couple days.

In any case Mark Mallet and the rest are unreliable entirely. They promote unproven and suspect seers without careful vetting.

 

Christine was reading Vassula at a Cursillo retreat.

I had ocassion to get to know a bunch of good men deeply involved with Cursillo. I discovered complaints from former members. The founder was a psychologist who manipulated folks by sleep and food deprivation and many techniques at these retreats to simulate spiritual conversions and experiences.

The worst problem was that some believe after one of these retreats they reach a high degree of sanctity. I met such a man and his spiritual pride was quite frightening when it came out.

But the main point is that Christine while at such a retreat was reading Vassulla and describes an experience not of God but of a demon as she "felt electricity run through her entire body." And this before she became Catholic btw. Demons can form bonds through such experiences. It accounts for her unquestioning adhesion to so many contradictory and dubious mystics.

 

Hmmmm.... Whats up with John??? Anybody else have questions?? Doubts? Or am I just plain dumb??

Reminds me of one of my 5 kids whose sole purpose in the family was to keep everybody all riled up and combative. John seems to be channeling that kid.