Countdown to the Kingdom

It is a simple statement of fact, garabandal, and I cited your own words from the earlier case to ask what you thought should happen in this case. I never understood how making a statement that may be in error on one subject, should globally affect comments on all other subjects.

My own position is against bans and in favor of times out.

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Who do you want to send to the sin bin in a timeout?

 

AS you noted, that is the call of the mods. I am asking about standards. If you don't want to discuss, that's it.

 

Very simple - if somone is an open schismatic then they are a danger to faith. They should join another forum.

That is the standard.

But as you say those decisions lie with the moderators.

Over and out!

 

Nice to see you have a sense of humour. Thank God for that.

I have not shared my view on CTTK and what is possibly causing so much din and discussion on the subject.

For the sake of a different point of view. It occurred to me that Christine Watkins had not adequately researched all of what she published in that book she wrote about people who experienced the Warning/Illumination. I am sure she is a lovely lady and totally convinced the Warning/Illumination could be coming October 2020. Maybe she thought some of the details would not matter if they were not exact. Because if the Warning/Illumination does happen, we would all be too busy cleaning up our own act to get into the nitty gritty of her published book. If Christine had got her facts straight in that book it might have saved Fr R and the Bishops a lot of hassle. Not to mention the agro on this forum. IMHO

I have not read her book, but from what I have heard about it, wonder if she has acted like a bull in a china shop. No disrespect to Christine, but anyone associated with her seems to have been tarnished with the same brush. I think Christine means well, and wonder has she any clue as to the massive fall out which has caused problems for Bishops as well as those who are partnering with her on the CTTK site. I think the site is Christine's brain child, might be wrong on that. Wonder what your views are on this take.

I was and still am surprised Mark Mallet became involved with the CTTK project. Mark must be convinced it is all about to happen, otherwise why would he put his reputation on the line. We should all be making monthly confession and staying in a state of Grace, so no need to panic whatever comes, whenever it comes. We just Keep Watch and Pray, safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

Just to keep on a happier note, here is a little ditty with many a true word spoken in jest.

Whether the weather be cold, or whether the weather be hot.
We will weather the weather, whatever the weather,
Whether we like it or not.

 

From What I read the Bishop "disagreed" and did not condemn the prophecies..he doesn't agree with them- very different!

But lets look at this for a moment:

He tells us to go to confession, receive holy communion, pray the rosary, consecrate yourself to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, remain in a State of Grace. He doesn't tell anyone to go build a refuge..but that they do exist but that the most important refuges are the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

He said that God told him he would no longer travel - that was in November before the pandemic;

He said there would be riots in the streets...are there not riots in the streets? And not just U.S.

He said there would be an attempt on Trump's life. Was there not an attempt on Trump's life just a few weeks ago?

He said to celebrate Christmas well as it would be the last "normal" Christmas ...that was before coronavirus was known..

Ok...so these prophecies all came true.

Then he told us to store 3 month's worth of food...he is not the only one who has prophesied a shortage of food...we will wait and see.
He also said things would start to intensity or happen in the fall..that's around the corner now.

He never asked for financial help anywhere in his videos or in print.

He seems to me to have been obedient to his Bishop and did what he was asked to in April.

He is a priest in good standing.

Lets look at Jesus for a second when he was being questioned...did he defend himself? He humbled himself to the point of death.

Fr. Michel did not respond by swinging back at the Bishops. But I do remember in one of the videos that he said he had 3 bishops..seems odd, but I seem to remember that and he didn't say that he revealed everything to his Bishop.. said he revealed it to his "spiritual director".

I have read his messages, watched his videos and guess what?
I haven't sold my house, quit my job and moved my family to the refuges.

But guess what? I did do an complete examination of conscience, and go to confession as soon as the churches reopened, I did increase my prayers and now say 3 rosaries a day...I did buy the The Catechism of the Catholic church (which he said to do), I did start reading my Bible more, I did consecrate myself and my family to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heat of Mary. And I did stock up on 3 months worth of groceries......

It seems to me that people on this site are pretty intelligent and we may not all agree; we have different views, but we all want to go to the same place.

I don't think its necessary to condemn or threaten anyone. I'm fairly new here, but that really seems harsh.

Lets face it, we don't have all the information to be able to make a call one way or the other, but Fr. Michel has only brought me closer to God and maybe has helped me bring others to Him as well...I think that's what he's suppose to do.

And if God commanded any one us to do something or warn His people about what was coming, would you NOT listen to what God told you to do or would you just follow your Bishop because he didn't believe it? I sure hope I would yell from the mountain tops!


Lets see what the fall brings and then we can all judge.....Oh..... just a second...that's God's job.

 

Peace be with you, Julia. In the Name of God, I wrote that Father Rodrigue resigned from the three parishes that Bishop Lemay assigned to him. I lamented that the parishoners of those parishes lost their shepherd to whatever he is doing now, holed up somewhere in that diocese waiting for the warning, WW III, famine, etc. You accuse me of paranoia, but I am not in seclusion deluding anyone with messages of doom and gloom. I don't want to discuss with you. You get terribly rude when you are losing an argument.

 

No you're not but just maybe Fr. Michel was told by God what to do as he seems to be under attack , which I suppose is expected.

Don't judge lest you be judged. No one here knows for certain that everything he has said it not true - noone not even his Bishops.

Time will tell.

 

Good point, well presented. Problem is all woke people claim it is rude to find any flaws in their arguments. People like Julia just pound back.

I know a parish Priest who simply disappeared when the corona virus lock down was announced. He left his parishioners high and dry, and needing to go to a neighbouring parish for emergency spiritual assistance like for example people who died at that time. I heard that same Priest reappeared about three months later. He will be forgiven, but who will ever forget what he did. We have no way of knowing if Fr R did a runner. I bet that was not the case.

Priests come and go in parishes all the time. They are not wed to any parish, at least not in the UK. So moving parishes is not unusual.

 

Dear Julia,
The topic aside, I am begging that you please refrain from using God’s name as a part of an expletive. A good priest taught us that saying anything in His Holy Name should always and only ever be a part of a prayer. I understand how emotions can take over making it easier for things like this to come out, but that still doesn’t make it right. Thanks.

 

I must admit Julia I have Fallen like Nelson for serveral baddies in the past.

But there are a couple of positive things. Once bitten twice shy. The experience of a mistake is a teacher.

Time is a great undoer of lies and deceit. Things tend to come out in the wash.

Lastly as Pope Urban I think indicated, it someone piously but honestly believes something that is false like this folks tend to reap the good that was supposed to be there rather than the evil that was intended. God makes allowances. He Smites the Fooler rather than the poor fooled.

 

Oh no, not you Padraig. Surely you were not hood winked by some alleged prophet. I certainly believed you would smell a rat.

One lesson I learned from the lock down was which Priests are shepherds and which might just be hirelings. Sad but true. And I would not mention any name, that would not be how Christ would have it. We just keep watch and pray.

 

God gives humans reason. With prayer and REASON, truth CAN be discovered. We use reason to understand objective reality. Red flags can be QUESTIONED and JUDGED by human reason. Flawed reason can be called out. Even the Holy Spirit functions through reason. Beyond reason, everything else is up for grabs and with EMOTION, deception is much easier during this time of diabolical disorientation.

 

Love this post!

 

Its amzing to me that we all seem to be judges when we are not to judge.

 

“Take heed that you not be deceived” (Lk 21:8; cf. Mt 24:4ff and Mk 13:32)

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." (1John 4:1)

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You make a lot of good points. I don’t know if you’ve watched any of the videos of Christine and Kendra but if I remember correctly Christine was brought in to collaborate with the other 3 contributors. I remember being surprised by that because I thought it was her brainchild as well.

Anyways, I can’t speak to their initial intentions but I personally don’t trust any of the contributors from what I’ve seen at this point.

At the same time the contributors write in defense of Father M they are also distancing themselves from him. “I’ve never met him so I can’t verify anything.” “I think he’s worthy of consideration but I don’t think he’s authentic.” “I don’t know where the discrepancies are.”

Prior to the bishop’s disavowal there was much to be discerned and discussed. However, the people asking questions or weighing in were likened to satans minions attacking God’s work. Dr. Miravalle and Fr Iannuzi had some great insights that were easy to understand and have the credentials to back them.

The moving goal posts are also concerning...

“we’ll listen to the bishop lemay”
*bishop disavows*
“Bishop lemay isn’t even his bishop anymore”
*other bishop disavows*
“He’s not condemned”


I personally agree with a previous poster that they are under a deep deception.

 

Dear Julia,
I’ll send you MY copy! I was SO disappointed because, number 1, I bought it no knowing all I do now and, number 2, reading the words of some of the alleged seers, I was like, “Bogus!” . So, my take is that Ms. Watkins has NOT been discerning properly on things that have the potential to cause confusion and chaos in those people who readily go after this kind of thing believing it HAS to be from God.

Please note that it was AFTER purchasing the book that I did a revisiting of the Fr.MR videos with a whole new pair of eyes~AN

 

Stop!!!!! You are referring to the judgement of someone’s soul which is forbidden by God for us to do. We CAN judge the veracity of a persons words/actions. That’s what human REASON is for: it helps us understand our world and make JUDGEMENTS about things in order to live in this world.

 

The more things change, the more they stay the same...