Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by garabandal, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    It gets even more confidence inspiring, the brand new Abbott rapid testing machines being used by some hospitals are inaccurate as well.

    Local false positive case highlights accuracy of rapid COVID-19 testing
    COOS BAY — A patient at Bay Area Hospital, who had not been exposed to or had many symptoms related to COVID-19, surprised healthcare officials earlier this month when she unexpectedly tested positive for the new coronavirus.

    Taken aback by the result, healthcare providers at BAH ordered another test, which was evaluated using the hospital’s newly-acquired Abbott ID NOW testing machine, a rapid, molecular point-of-care test that detects COVID-19 in about 13 minutes or less.

    Doctors questioned the accuracy of the initial positive result, which was also evaluated on the rapid testing machine, as they reviewed the patient’s condition. She had not been exposed to any other known coronavirus cases and had only one symptom consistent with COVID-19, which was a fever.

    Kelli Dion, a public information officer at BAH, said the result for the second test, which was returned within about an hour of the first test, came back negative.

    In an effort to confirm the negative result, Dion said a third test was ordered and sent to the Oregon State Public Health Laboratory which has testing equipment with higher sensitivity rates to detect positive cases than the Abbott rapid testing machine.

    According to Dion, the timeframe for receiving results from the state lab is a bit longer as the facility is located outside of the county. Last Friday, BAH announced in press release that the patient was indeed negative for COVID-19 as confirmed by the state lab.

    The accuracy of tests are typically measured through its sensitivity and specificity rates as ways to identify whether a patient is positive or negative, said Dion. At BAH, the Abbott rapid testing machine has a sensitivity of about 60% to 70% depending on how the sample is gathered, said Dion. The specificity rate of the machine, which determines how accurate a test identifies negative cases, also impacted a patient’s results.

    Last month, a press release from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned the public that based on early data gathered from test results nationwide of facilities using the Abbott rapid testing machine that the machine can potentially produce inaccurate COVID-19 results.

    According to the press release, the test may specifically return false negative results.

    According to Dion, healthcare providers at BAH are aware of the rates associated with the rapid testing machine and will on a case-by-case scenario determine which patients, who meet the needs to receive a COVID-19 test, will have their tests evaluated by the rapid testing machine and/or the state lab.

    “It really just depends on what the patient’s needs are when they present as to whether we’re going to use the rapid test or a state test,” said Dion. “… The medical staff decides which one they’re going to use based on what the needs are at the time.”

    Patients who receive a COVID-19 test will be examined for other symptoms related to the coronavirus and screened to determine if they’ve been potentially exposed to someone with COVID-19. If they somehow test negative, but they present all the factors consistent with the new coronavirus, then an additional test will be ordered via the state lab and the patient will be treated as a potential positive case, Dion explained.

    More data is currently being collected on the accuracy of test results from rapid testing machines, according to the FDA’s press release. It also stated that no test is 100 % accurate due to performance characteristics, specimen handling or user error.

    At BAH, a nasopharyngeal swab procedure is used to collect specimen as Dion said it produces the most accurate results. The procedure includes a 6-inch thin, flexible swab which is used to collect nasopharyngeal specimen in the back of a patient’s nose for about 15 seconds. The patient who tested false positive received a nasopharyngeal swab, said Dion.

    “The Abbott ID (rapid testing machine) is a huge help to us in ruling out patients for COVID-19,” said Dion. “But just like any other lab test if it’s not consistent with the patient’s presentation the provider is going to treat the patient and not the lab test.”

    This may include ordering additional tests and/or confirming with the state’s lab.

    “Apart from the possibility of this false positive case the hospital has not had an inpatient test positive for COVID-19 despite robust testing for potential cases,” read a press release from Bay Area Hospital. “The hospital will remain vigilant despite the overall low prevalence of the disease in Coos County.”

    “In short, Bay Area Hospital continues to put patient and staff safety as a top concern and believes the facility is a safe environment for anyone needing to receive medical care.”

    According to Dion, all patients are being tested prior to any surgery as a way to clear them before they have a scheduled surgery. When possible, those tests are being done in advance and are being sent to the state lab.

    Officials at Bay Area Hospital in collaboration with Coos Health and Wellness have continued to treat its false positive case as if it were a positive case for COVID-19 out of an abundance of caution. According to a press release from the hospital, other causes for the patient’s fever, which launched the order of the COVID-19 test, were found and she is responding to the appropriate treatment for those causes.
  2. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    Saint Rock, intercede for P4P and her family, that God may bring you all through this. In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen. May God grant your family a speedy recovery from this virus.

    Saint Rock became very popular in Dublin after the Spanish Flu in the 1920's when they realised after praying to Saint Rock for his intercession that nobody in the parish had died as a result of that pandemic.
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  3. Evenstar

    Evenstar Angels

    Prayers for P4P and family going up.
    Julia, I never heard of Saint Rock and I live in Dublin! Going to read up on him. (y)
  4. andree

    andree Archangels

    You're welcome, hopefully it's helpful. Parents can discuss this with their children discretely and give them tips for how to get fresh air during the day at school. Also, I have been meaning to look into these breathing methods that I see many people talking about that are supposed improve overall health by saturating your system with more oxygen, so something like this could help too - children could learn to practice it.

    I have a friend who refuses to wear a mask and considers any comments as an opportunity to inform people. She claims that she has not met a single person wearing a mask who was aware of any risks and many were receptive about hearing what she had to say. I suppose we tell people what Bernadette of Lourdes said: it is my duty to inform but not convert.

    I came across this site this morning: which could help people looking for data. Here is a video to share about it on twitter:

    But over and above all else, I guess we all see that it's prayer that is needed the most.
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  5. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    The Covid-BLM Diversion; "Shock Therapy" Behind a Smokescreen of Hysteria and Racial Incitement

    The imposition of the nationwide lockdowns required elite consensus. There’s no way that a project of that magnitude could have been carried out absent the nearly universal support of establishment elites and their lackeys in the political class. There must have also been a fairly-detailed media strategy that excluded the voices of lockdown opponents while– at the same time– promoting an extremely dubious theory of universal quarantine that had no basis in science, no historical precedent, and no chance of preventing the long-term spread of the infection. All of this suggests that the lockdowns were not a spontaneous overreaction to a fairly-mild virus that kills roughly 1 in 500 mainly-older and infirm victims, but a comprehensive and thoroughly-vetted plan to impose “shock therapy” on the US economy in order to achieve the long-term strategic ambitions of ruling class elites. As one sardonic official opined, “Never let a crisis go to waste.”

    It was clear from the beginning, that the lockdowns were going to have a catastrophic effect on the economy, and so they have. As of today, 30 million people have lost their jobs, tens of thousands of small and medium-sized businesses have been shuttered, second quarter GDP has plunged to an eye watering -45.5 percent (Atlanta Fed), and the economy has experienced its greatest shock in history. Even so, pundits in the mainstream media, remain steadfast in their opposition to lifting the lockdowns or modifying the medical martial law edicts that have been arbitrarily imposed by mainly-liberal governors across the country. Why? Why would the so-called “experts throw their weight behind such a sketchy policy when they knew how much suffering it was going to cause for ordinary working people? And why has the media continued to attack countries like Sweden who merely settled on a more conventional approach instead of imposing a full-blown lockdown? Swedish leaders and epidemiologists were unaware that adopting their own policy would be seen as a sign of defiance by their global overlords, but it was. Elites have decided that there can be no challenge to their idiotic lockdown model which is why Sweden had to be punished, ridiculed, and dragged through the mud. The treatment of Sweden further underscores the fact that the lockdown policy (and the destruction of the US economy) was not a random and impulsive act, but one part of a broader plan to restructure the economy to better serve the interests of elites. That’s what’s really going on. The lockdowns are being used to “reset” the economy and impose a new social order.

    But why would corporate mandarins agree to a plan that would shrink their earnings and eviscerate short-term profitability?

    Why? Because of the the stock market, that’s why. The recycling of earnings into financial assets has replaced product sales as the primary driver of profits. As you may have noticed, both the Fed and the US Treasury have taken unprecedented steps to ensure that stock prices will only go higher. To date, the Fed and Treasury have committed $8 trillion dollars to backstopping the weaker areas of the market in an effort to flood the market with liquidity. “Backstopping” is an innocuous-sounding term that analysts use to conceal what is really going on, which is, the Fed is “price fixing”, buying up trillions of dollars of corporate debt, ETF’s, MBS, and US Treasuries to keep prices artificially high in order to reward the investor class it secretly serves. This is why the corporations and Tech giants are not concerned about the vast devastation that has been inflicted on the economy. They’ll still be raking hefty profits via the stock market while the real economy slips deeper into a long-term coma. Besides, when the lockdowns are finally lifted, these same corporations will see a surge of consolidation brought on by the destruction of so many Mom and Pop industries that couldn’t survive the downturn. No doubt, the expansion of America’s tenacious monopolies factored heavily into the calculation to blow up the economy. Meanwhile, the deepening slump will undoubtedly create a permanent underclass that will eagerly work for a pittance of what they earned before the crash. So, there you have it: Profitability, consolidation and cheap labor. Why wouldn’t corporate bosses love the idea of crashing the economy? It’s a win-win situation for them.

    We should have seen this coming. It’s been clear since the Russiagate fiasco that elites had settled on a more aggressive form of social control via nonstop disinformation presented as headline news based on spurious accusations from anonymous sources, none of who were were ever identified, and none of whose claims could ever be verified. The media continued this “breathless” saturation campaign without pause and without the slightest hesitation even after its central claims were exposed as lies. If you are a liberal who watches the liberal cable channels or reads the New York Times, you might still be unaware that the central claim that the emails were stolen from the DNC by Russia (or anyone else for that matter) has not only been disproved, but also, that Mueller, Comey, Clapper etc knew the story was false way back in 2017. Let that sink in for a minute. They all knew it was a lie after the cyber security team (Crowdstrike) that inspected the DNC computers testified that there was no evidence that the emails had been “exfiltrated”. In other words, there was no proof the emails were stolen. There was no justification for the Mueller investigation because there was no evidence that the DNC emails had been hacked, downloaded or pilfered. The whole thing was a hoax from the get go.

    There’s no way to overstate the importance these recent findings, in fact, our understanding of Russiagate must be applied to the lockdowns, the Black Lives Matter protests and other psychological operations still in the making. What’s critical to grasp is not simply that the allegations were based on false claims, (which they were) but that a large number of senior-level officials in law enforcement (FBI), intel agencies, media and the White House knew with absolute certainty that the claims were false (from 2017 and on) but continued to propagate fake stories, spy on members of the new administration and use whatever tools they had at their disposal to overthrow an elected president. The guilty parties in this ruse have never admitted their guilt nor have they changed their fictitious storyline which still routinely appears in the media to this day. What we can glean from this incident, is that there is a vast secret state operating within the government, media and the DNC, that does not accept our system of government, does not accept the results of elections and will lie, cheat and steal to achieve their nefarious objectives. . That’s the lesson of Russiagate that has to be applied to both the lockdowns and the Black Lives Matter protests. They are just the next phase of the ongoing war on the American people.

    The lockdowns are an Americanized version of the “Shock Doctrine”, that is, the country has been thrust into a severe crisis that will result in the implementing of neoliberal economic policies such as privatization, deregulation and cuts to social services. Already many of the liberal governors have driven their states into bankruptcy ensuring that budgets will have to be slashed, more jobs will be lost, funding for education and vital infrastructure will shrink, and assistance to the poor and needy will be sharply reduced. Shutting down the US economy, will create a catastrophe unlike anything we have ever seen in the United States. US Treasuries will likely loose their risk-free status while the dollar’s as days as the “world’s reserve currency” are probably numbered. That “exorbitant privilege” is based on confidence, and confidence in US leadership is at its lowest point in history...
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  6. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers


    It’s not surprising that the Black Lives Matter protests took place at the same time as the lockdowns. The looting, rioting and desecration of statues provided the perfect one-two punch for those who see some tactical advantage in intensifying public anxiety by exacerbating racial tensions and splitting the country into two warring camps. Divide and conquer remains the modus operandi of imperialists everywhere. That same rule applies here. Here’s more background from an article at the Off-Guardian:

    “It is no coincidence that another Soros funded activism group Black Lives Matter has diverted the spotlight away from the lockdown’s broader impact on the fundamental human rights of billions of people, using the reliable methods of divide and rule, to highlight the plight of specific strata’s of society, and not all.

    It’s worth pointing out that BLM’s activity spikes every four years. Always prior to the elections in the US, as African Americans make up an important social segment of Democrat votes. The same Democrats who play both sides like any smart gambler would. The Clintons, for example, are investors into BLM”s partner, the anti-fascist ANTIFA. While Hilary Clinton’s mentor (and best friend) was former KKK leader Robert Byrd.

    BLM is a massively hyped, TV-made, politicized event, that panders to the populist and escapist appetite of the people. Blinding them from their true call to arms in defense of the universal rights of everyone. Cashing in on the youths pent-up aggression …. And weaponising the tiger locked in a rattled cage for 3-months, and unleashed by puppet masters as the mob…

    As a general rule of thumb, it is safe to assume that if a social movement has the backing of big industry, big philanthropy or big politics, then its ideals run contrary to citizen empowerment.” (“The Co-opting of Activism by the State“, Off-Guardian)

    Black Lives Matter protests provide another significant diversion from the massive destruction of the US economy. This basic plan has been used effectively many times in the past, most notably in the year following the invasion of Iraq. Some readers will remember how Iraqis militants fought US occupation forces following the invasion in 2003. The escalating violence and rising death-toll created a public relations nightmare for the Bush team that finally settled on a plan for crushing the resistance by arming and training Shia death squads. But the Bushies wanted to confuse the public about what they were really up to, so they concocted a narrative about a “sectarian war” that was intended to divert attention from the attacks on American soldiers.

    In order to make the narrative more believable, US intel agents devised a plan to blow up the Shia’s most sacred religious site, the Golden Dome Mosque of Samarra, and blame it on Sunni extremists. The incident was then used to convince the American people that what was taking place in Iraq was not a war over foreign occupation, but a bitter sectarian conflict between Sunnis and Shia in which the US was just an impartial referee. The killing of George Floyd has been used in much the same way as the implosion of the mosque. It creates a credible narrative for a massive and coordinated protests that have less to do with racial injustice than they do with diverting attention from the destruction of the economy and sowing division among the American people. This is a classic example of how elites use myth and media to conceal their trouble-making and escape any accountability for their actions.

    Check out this excerpt from a paper by Carlo Caduff, an academic at King’s College London, in a journal called Medical Anthropology Quarterly. It’s entitled “What Went Wrong: Corona and the World After the Full Stop”:

    Across the world, the pandemic unleashed authoritarian longings in democratic societies allowing governments to seize the opportunity, create states of exception and push political agendas. Commentators have presented the pandemic as a chance for the West to learn authoritarianism from the East. This pandemic risks teaching people to love power and call for its meticulous application. As a result of the unforeseeable social, political and economic consequences of today’s sweeping measures, governments across the world have launched record “stimulus” bills costing trillions of dollars, pounds, pesos, rand and rupees…. The trillions that governments are spending now as “stimulus” packages surpass even those of the 2008 financial crisis and will need to be paid for somehow. ... If austerity policies of the past are at the root of the current crisis with overwhelmed healthcare systems in some countries, the rapidly rising public debt is creating the perfect conditions for more austerity in the future. The pandemic response will have major implications for the public funding of education, welfare, social security, environment and health in the future.” (

    This is precisely right. The country has been deliberately plunged into another Great Depression with the clear intention of imposing harsh austerity measures that will eviscerate Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and any other social safteynet programs that benefit ordinary working people, retirees, or anyone else for that matter. None of it is random, spontaneous or spur-of-the-moment policymaking. It’s all drawn from a centuries-old Imperial Playbook that’s being used by scheming elites to implement their final plan for America: Tear down the statues, destroy the icons and symbols, rewrite the history, crush the populist resistance, create a permanent underclass that will work for pennies on the dollar, pit one group against the other by inciting racial hatred, political polarization and fratricidal warfare, promote the vandals who burn and loot our cities, attack anyone who speaks the truth, and offer unlimited support to the party that has aligned itself with the corrupt Intel agencies, the traitorous media, the sinister deep state, and the tyrannical elites who are determined to control the all the levers of state power and crush anyone who gets in their way.
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  7. Donna259

    Donna259 Archangels

    I say clear face shields would be the only answer for the little ones....not a face mask. They can't do it....and please don't be so sarcastic because I am really trying to troubleshoot this for the fall with all of my might because we are reopening in NJ. I work daily with other nurses trying to figure out what 5 year olds will be able to do....
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  8. andree

    andree Archangels


    How about something like this but in clear plastic, like I see they have installed in stores so cashiers don't have to wear masks? There must be portable versions for kids desks?

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  9. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    My wife works as well with disabled children so I understand and admire your efforts. I admire your optimism as well and hate to say this but I have serious doubts the powers that be are going to allow anyone heading to school this fall before the election. Especially in states on the coasts run by wolves like ours.
    By all means have a plan however. Just don't be surprised when none of this goes accordingly.
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  10. Tanker

    Tanker Archangels

    I agree. We have had 2 school surveys over the summer to inquire how we want kids to return. Traditional with protocols, halfway or online. I chose traditional each time in the hopes that school will be back to some kind of normal. I ache for my daughter. I homeschooled until high school and my kids loved being in traditional school for the social interaction. They were both A students so it was the sports and friends they missed when covid hit last spring. My son graduated but my daughter is a Sophomore this year. She is already seeing the writing on the wall. No sports, no school clubs, no friends, no teachers face to face. She was in the NHS, Kiwanis club (scholarship club), school choir, Varsity volleyball team, student council as well as a cantor at our church, teen leader at LifeTeen and in church choir. The entire package was taken away from her in March 2020. All of it. It is maddening. She has recently cried about how she isn't having a normal life and it isn't fair. But the "powers that be" do not care one bit for my daughter, or anyone for that matter.

    I thought school would be opening somehow in August. That is what we were told. But seems all things are different now. Not a single one of the people that run our lives cares one bit about us. I find it ironic that the average Joe is masking up and gloving up and staying in lock step (lock down) with the agenda being pushed. It is obvious the government officials and even most church officials do not care AT ALL about us. And yet we que up to mask and do what we are told to do, like the do care. It is ridiculous.

    I am on the wrong side of this. All I can do is pray because my voice is not being heard.
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  11. Donna259

    Donna259 Archangels

    honestly I would be happy if they don't come back because I don't know how we can pull it off....but they expect us to come up with plans so we do....
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  12. AED

    AED Powers

    A huge problem Donna. I dont envy you.
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  13. AED

    AED Powers

    I hate to sound cynical but plans changed when the virus began to lose steam and the riots had a reverse effect. They have to hype and scare and control. The educational establishment is firmly in the dem/NWO camp. I taught in public school for years so I can attest to it. My husband used to call it "uncritical left". Just going with the narrative no matter what. I am so sorry for your daughter. It's a heartbreak and I do believe unnecessary. Look at the stories of nurses showing all the "positive" tests returned on people who didnt even stay to take the test. I cant get away from the feeling this is a massive psy OP and a money maker for big pharma.
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  14. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    Truth well said!
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  15. Indy

    Indy Praying

    Anything I posted on Facebook highlighting the issues of wearing face masks, Facebook covered with a banner telling anyone viewing that the post contained mis-information. They are completely on-board when it comes to banning free speech.
  16. AED

    AED Powers

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  17. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    More on that "possible" new pandemic creating virus.....from, guess who!! Didn't he predict the current virus early on for some vaccine purpose??

    Anthony Fauci Warns: Pig-Bound Virus in China Could Cause Another Pandemic


    Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, testified Tuesday that an emerging virus found in pigs in China shares traits with the 2009 Swine Flu and 1918 Pandemic Flu, and U.S. public health officials are monitoring the disease.

    Fauci, a White House coronavirus task force member, explained before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee that the virus — known as “G4 EA H1N1,” — doesn’t appear to infect humans, however, it has shown “reassortment capabilities.”

    “In other words, when you get a brand new virus that turns out to be a pandemic virus it’s either due to mutations and/or the reassortment or exchanges of genes,” he stated. “And they’re seeing virus in swine, in pigs now, that have characteristics of the 2009 H1N1, of the original 1918, which many of our flu viruses have remnants of that in it, as well as segments from other hosts like swine.”

    Fauci warned lawmakers of the “possibility that you might have another swine flu type outbreak as we had in 2009.”

    “It’s something that still is in the stage of examination,” he added.

    During another part of his testimony, Fauci expressed that he is “quite concerned” regarding the recent surge in Chinese coronavirus cases, blaming states for possibly reopening too soon and some Americans ignoring guidelines to stop the virus’ spread.

    “We have got to get that message out that we are all in this together,” he said. “If we are going to contain this, we’ve got to contain it together.”

    Federal and state officials have also blamed the surges on younger people failing to take precautions, like face masks and distancing in public.

    Also appearing before the panel Tuesday was Robert Redfield, director of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention; Stephen Hahn, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration; and Brett Giroir, assistant secretary of the Health and Human Services Department.

    Concerning the recent increases, Redfield said it’s “imperative” that Americans take personal responsibility in employing preventative measures to stop the virus’ spread.

    “Specifically, I’m addressing the younger members of our society, the millennials and the ‘Generation Zs,'” he said.

    “I ask those that are listening to spread the word,” he added, urging younger people to “embrace the universal use of face coverings.”

    The UPI contributed to this report.
  18. Sam

    Sam Powers

    I believe there is a real evil spirit going around and not only are satan's useful idiots going around starting these diseases, but also a spirit of fear spreading a great fear about these diseases. For a while every once in a while I keep hearing the word covid. I just hear it from out of now where and I feel it is a bad spirit trying to evoke fear. I just laughed and shrugged it off, but today I realized it was a bad spirit and bound it in Jesus name and placed it at the foot of the cross for Jesus to take care of. Just like the spirit of diabolical disorientation going around feeding satan's useful idiots in the black lives matter and antifa groups. People caught up in these movements do not pray and have no discernment at all. Much prayer and rosaries are need now more then ever. May God arise and His enemies be scattered and those that hate flee from before Him.
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  19. AED

    AED Powers

    I think you are right. It is fear. Blind fear. Co ntrolling through fear. And it is demonic. Perfect love casts out fear St John tells us. Our Mother has perfect love. May she place it in our hearts that we may cast out fear. This world is not our home. We are pilgrims passing through.
  20. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Great post and insight. There are some very powerful demons unloosed now.
    Getting back to Mass will help, plus the rosaries.
    Yes , binding the evil spirit in the Name of Jesus and sending it to the foot of the cross for Jesus to take care of......that’s the way to take care of it.

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