Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by garabandal, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. FatimaPilgrim

    FatimaPilgrim Powers

    Dr. Fauci now admitting this is overblown. Yes, this virus is real, but the severity of it and the pictures we were shown out of China of people dropping over in the streets, and being taken away in boxes, and plumes of smoke from the mass cremation sites have not occured in western countries, if they were true we'd all be seeing them all over the internet as everyone has a cell phone on them at all times. Why did they do this? I think we'll all find out soon enough:

    "This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) "
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  2. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I pm today, coming up in 20 minutes, on EWTN and possibly the Vatican's
    Facebook page, the Pope's Urbi et Orbi address, plenary indulgence can be gained.
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  3. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    REMINDER: This blessing begins in about 15 minutes and you should be able to participate in it on Vatican News' facebook page or on EWTN.


    In addition, today is the anniversary of the death of Mother Angelica. May God bless her for all eternity. +
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  4. WOW! Dr. Fauci in New England Journal of Medicine Concedes the Coronavirus Mortality Rate May Be Much Closer to a Very Bad Flu

    Last week morning Governor’s Gavin Newsom from California and Andrew Cuomo from New York announcedcomplete lockdown on state residents due to the coronavirus pandemic.

    There had been 16,067 cases of the coronavirus reported in the US at the time.
    There had been 219 deaths in the US due to coronavirus at that time.

    The following morning NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci told reporters during the daily White House press conference, “I strongly agree” with the New York and California governors for shutting down their state economies.

    This was based on the highly flawed models on the coronavirus that were being peddled at that time.

    But what a difference a week makes!

    On Thursday Dr. Fauci co-authored a report on the coronavirus in the New England Journal of Medicine.

    In the report Dr. Fauci now argues that the mortality rate of the coronavirus may be much closer to a very bad flu.
    (For the record — This is what we have been reporting since March 17th)


    From the article.

    On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2
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  5. THE NUMBERS JUST DON'T ADD UP: Nearly 500,000 Went to Hospital in 2018-19 Flu Season But Today There Are Not Enough Hospital Beds for Coronavirus Patients?

    Really, What is going on? The data just don’t add up.

    The MSM and Democrats claim there are not enough hospital beds for the current 85,000 people identified with the coronavirus, many of whom will never even enter a hospital due to their relatively minor condition. Also, in 2018-19 there were plenty of beds for the nearly 500,000 patients that spent time in hospitals, due to the flu.

    Via the CDC – there were 490,000 hospitalizations during the 2018-2019 flu season.


    And yet the media want you to believe the US will run out of hospital beds during the coronavirus. This is not likely.

    To all Americans: please ask this simple question your elected officials at the Federal & State level: …

    Ned Nikolov, Ph.D.@NikolovScience
    Replying to @NikolovScience

    In other words, how come there was no "ICU & hospital-bed" crises in 2018-2019, when 16.5 MILLION people with influenza went to see a health care provider and 490,600 were hospitalized due to their illness, but in 2020, some 85,600 COVID19 cases broke the US hospital system???



    1:30 AM - Mar 27, 2020

    The data to date show that most individuals with the coronavirus suffer from very mild conditions. The panic-driven Washington Post even reported that 82% of these individuals with the coronavirus suffer from mild conditions.

    Assuming the remaining require hospitalization (which is unlikely but conservative), then only 15,300 people currently require hospitalizations across the US. Of course this too is conservative because many of these cases in the US are already recovered and the individuals no longer suffer from the virus from China.

    So the leftie Mainstream Media (MSM) want us to believe that hospital beds will be overwhelmed by the coronavirus by 15,000 patients (at most to date) but a year ago the US hospitals were not overwhelmed by 500,000 flu patients.

    Other numbers from the media were based on the Imperial College report that warned that 2 million Americans and half a million British citizens would die from the coronavirus this year.

    Yesterday they backtracked on their study and now claim only 20,000 in Britain will succumb to the coronavirus.

    Great Britain has 29,000 flu deaths a year on average. So now they are saying the coronavirus is less deadly than a typical flu virus.

    None of this passes the smell test.
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  6. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    Everything about these Mainstream Media manipulators stinks. :mad: They want to take down President Trump, and they are willing to destroy our country to advance their evil agenda. :(
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2020
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  7. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    37 Italian doctors have died with corona-virus treating thier patients in hospital in the last month.

    How many did from seasonal flu treating their patients last year? Probably none.

    We wont know the case fatality rate of the coronavirus until the final total so the doctor is speculating.
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  8. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Archangels

    sad the image of the Pope giving the blessing Urbi Et Orbi today in the square completely empty, it even seems a symbolism for the loss of faith in the European continent
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  9. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Sure, that sounds exactly like what the WHO is saying. What it means though is that when it's too late to take back the decimated lives affected by bringing the worlds economy to its knees we will then be subjected to the MSM covering up the lack of numbers and knee jerk reactionism of governments all over the world who have usurped the rights God gave their people and who will likely never return to them what has been stolen. Freedom is just too scary to let that happen.

    This is exactly the tripe all tyrants foist on people to willingly give up their rights in exchange for the illusion of security.
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  10. Why Italy has been especially a victim for this particularly designed flu.....people, including the few assisting them, were emersed in the carriers of the origin....

    How Italy Became Europe’s Hotspot For The Coronavirus

    In the late 90’s, most of the leather goods and textile factories in Northern Italy were sold to Chinese companies who later imported their workers. Over the years, Italy has imported hundreds of thousands of Chinese citizens to work in these factories with direct flights back home. Most of them are from current virus-stricken regions in China. Is it a coincidence why Italy has become Europe’s hotspot for the Coronavirus?

    Today, there are more than 300,000 Chinese citizens living in Italy. Many of them going back and forth between both countries have contributed to China’s reporting of new cases. From Forbes:

    Italy’s outbreak has also marked some of the first reported cases of coronavirus being imported back to China. Qingtian, a small county in China’s southeastern Zhejiang province, confirmed eight new cases of coronavirus on March 2 from Chinese nationals living in Italy’s Lombardy region. There are more than 300,000 Chinese nationals living in Italy, and roughly 90% of them in the Zhejiang Province; the garment industry there has attracted Chinese workers.

    In a Guardian article from 2016:

    Violent clashes have broken out this week between police and the local Chinese community in Prato near Florence, home to one of the largest concentrations of Chinese-run industry in Europe.

    Tensions had been rising in the town, Italy’s textile capital, that has attracted Chinese immigrants since the mid-1990s. Some 50,000 Chinese work in the area, making clothes and handbags with the prized “Made in Italy” label.

    To make things worse, the Mayor of Florence, Dario Nardella, has suggested residents hug Chinese people to encourage them in the fight against the Coronavirus.

    The mayor went so far as to hug a Chinese person to promote his politically correct “#HugAChinese” campaign:

    The result? Italians felt it in their heart to virtue signal and prove they’re not racist, but now they’re dead.

    As of this writing, Coronavirus cases in Italy have reached 15,113, and deaths have surpassed 1,106. That’s a 6.7% death rate to prove you’re not racist.

    Now, entire cities and regions in Italy have been quarantined, while the virus has spread all throughout Europe and North America. But hey, at least they’re not racist.

    and of course there are too the reports from doctors serving in the hard hit region of the Italian north that it is being accepted that the orders are not to treat the elderly....over age that would make the numbers rise during any flu season anywhere where the flu of any kind exists. And w/ the constant repetition of statements about there being so many "unknowns" about this particular flu, how many have not even been treated with normal treatments of a flu in general and then moved to hospitals prior to when, very late, that some of these proven treatments finally are now being tried? And now it might seem safer to just stay at home w/ a doctor who will prescribe these treatments rather than enter into the now overcrowded hospital facilities where such treatments are not being administered!
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  11. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    The first Christians didn't have rights or any freedom - they were persecuted and martyred for the faith.

    Rather than complain they rejoiced.

    Do you not know that we too are headed towards persecution so why are you worried about losing your 'freedoms'?

    True freedom invloves doing the will of God and through his grace to be free from the bondage of sin.

    Rejoice, God has allowed us to live in these times.

    All things are ordained under the will of God.
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  12. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    Spot on, Don. I just had this conversation with my son who is in NYC. He was alarmed to see the fear on people's faces in the city. I was trying to explain to him that this level of fear is a threat to our freedom. Just look at what we've lost in this short span of time. Our Holy Mass, and Holy Eucharist have been taken from us. :(
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2020
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  13. Indy

    Indy Praying

    What a wonderful mass Fr Mark gave here. I really needed it, I have been suffering without mass.
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  14. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    GM is not really coming through...


    But miracles do happen...


    And another miracle....


    (There's so much bureaucracy, I wonder if DeBlasio knows where he parked his car? That is when he is not taking mass transportation. :rolleyes: Yeah, right. Or does this fall under Cuomo or Schumer, hmmm. In any case, they were all too busy trying to impeach Trump to know where they stored those ventilators.)

    Please continue to pray for President Trump, he is dealing with and has dealt with so much, so very much. +
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  15. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes me too. It is such a suffering.
  16. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. Right. We must uphold him in prayer.
  17. AED

    AED Powers

    Amen! (Good reminder)
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  18. AED

    AED Powers

    When the patriot act (misnomer!) Went through I said at the time "what we are giving up we will never get back" and our freedom under obama eroded even further.
  19. AED

    AED Powers

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  20. AED

    AED Powers

    No it doesnt. Questions worth asking.
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