Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by garabandal, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Also quality control. I never had the flu shot until recent years and never got what I would have known, anyway, were flu symptoms....probably just attributed any bad aches and pains, lumpy throat, etc. to other normal illnesses. But I've had the flu shot for the last 4 years and haven't had the flu nor even those other prior symptoms either....and I'm definitely in the compromised age group w/ compromised system in general. My husband had to take the flu shots during his military career and always got sick. He's taken the flu shot also now for past 4 years under current great doctor and not gotten sick....but nothing is ever forced in our case anyway....only asked. If people don't want them they should just refuse them. Like a lot of doctors.....several in extended family.....who feel that they had to finally give in to mothers for years who insisted on the gazillion antibiotics for children or themselves which of course also lessened the degree to which the natural immune system could fight things off. I knew of several women friends over the past decades who, even after testing were told their sore throats were not strep but they wouldn't accept and would go to another doc to get what they wanted....more antibiotics!

    A friend whose sister is a PhD nurse practitioner in NY, doing lots of tests on the various treatments for this COVID-19 just told me that her sister said DO NOT take Ibuprofen for it.....causes it to greatly worsen!
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  2. earthtoangels

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  3. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Thanks etoa, great insight and advice.

    This article may offer a little more insight and tips on what to do if you think that you may have this virus. It also explains why Ibuprofen might not be a good idea to take if you have the virus or think that you may have it.

    Do Anti-Inflammatories Like Ibuprofen Aggravate Coronavirus?
    Is it safe to use this common anti-inflammatory if you have COVID-19?
    By Elaine K. Howle, Contributor | March 20, 2020, at 10:55 a.m.|
  4. Sunnyveil

    Sunnyveil Principalities

    I agree with you.

    This virus does seem more and more to be a tool of the global elite to take down the financial system and to empower the new world order they've been building for decades. The financial system is a house of cards as there is something like 260 trillion dollars of debt worldwide -- maybe this too was part of the plan. We'll need a new currency as this rickety financial structure implodes as well as a global government plan to help get us out of the recession/depression that is sure to come. Maybe this pandemic is a tool for the big global power grab.

    It's no coincidence we have a corona (sun) virus that everyone is afraid will kill them. It's being compared to the Spanish Flu that occurred at the time of the events at Fatima. Maybe the time will now be ripe for a communist (global elite) power grab not unlike Russia in 1917. Conchita from Garabandal stated that prophesied events would happen when communism returned. Maybe this is it.
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  5. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Bump. (y)

    It seems like they are stating all of the intentions that they have received and stating their own intentions now. This is very relatable imho. +


    Edited to add:

    Thank you indaiatubano, they did a very nice job. For others who were unable to watch it, they are a young couple with an infant and they were a very good example of how we can pray when we have to work around some distractions. Beautiful! :love:

    I might have stated this in the past, if I have not apologize but I find it interesting that the number 18 is very connected to Our Lady of Garabandal and it takes approximately 18 minutes to say the rosary each day, any one of the four mysteries. This couple also added a novena for the Coronavirus at the very end which took probably another 2 minutes or so. (But I know that I am preaching to the choir masters. :LOL:)

    They also mentioned the following which is very good imho. I absolutely plan to participate in it and I will ask my husband and son to do so also and I plan to share this information with the rest of my family and friends and I hope that everyone here will do the same. +


    They also stated that this would be aired on ETWN tomorrow in addition to what the Vatican's facebook page. I think that 6pm GMT+1 is 1pm EST but I will try and verify and update this post if I need to make a correction.


    Cardinal Joseph Zen, shown in Hong Kong on Dec. 5, 2018, told the Register that the situation is serious for the faithful in China. (Anthony Wallace/AFP via Getty Images)
    Vatican | Mar. 26, 2020
    Cardinal Zen: ‘Terrible’ Vatican-China Deal Sending Catholics ‘to Catacombs’
    The cardinal told the Register that ‘it’s useless to fight now’ and urged a tactical retreat.
    Edward Pentin |

    Continuing Crackdowns

    The timing of the Vatican’s diplomacy with the Chinese authorities has been roundly criticized as a mistake, as crackdowns on Catholics have not reduced but increased, and incidents of religious persecution are reportedly running at record levels. These include closing or destroying churches, jailing pastors and priests and surveillance control and restrictions. Nor has the coronavirus reportedly lessened the extent of the crackdown, as reports have emerged of continued destruction of churches even during the lockdown. [Emphasis added.]

    China has undergone fluctuating periods of freedom and constraint, and this is a time of “restriction” and “sinicization,” missionary Father Sergio Ticozzi, a member of the Pontifical Institute for Foreign Missions, explained in Hong Kong-China: The Catholic Issue, a new documentary by Elisabetta Valgiusti, produced by Save the Monasteries. “All religions must be Chinese, especially those from outside, thus the Christian churches, Islam and Lama Buddhism of Tibet. It’s a policy to force churches and religions to sinicize.”

    The Chinese authorities’ main purpose is “political,” Father Ticozzi continued. “The party must have control over every area of citizens’ lives, including the religious aspect. Although they say they respect religion, they tolerate it but promote Marxism fully.”

    Cardinal Zen told the program it is a new form of persecution and that “with the help of the Holy See” they are succeeding in “destroying all the Church.”

    Christopher Patten, Britain’s last governor of Hong Kong who spent many years negotiating with Beijing before handing the former colony over to the Chinese in 1999, said in February he thought the Vatican had “got it very badly wrong about China.” A well-known British Catholic who usually takes a more liberal position, Lord Patten said he felt it was an “extraordinary time” to be dealing with China in this way, which has “gone back on human rights.”

    More opposition came on March 12 from a group of 31 British Catholics who wrote a letter to the Catholic Herald calling for the provisional agreement to be “torn up” on the grounds that China is continuing to commit human-rights violations, including organ harvesting and the persecution of Catholics.

    “The case for opposing the Vatican’s deal with Xi Jinping’s government, which also harasses and detains leading Catholic clergy and destroys Catholic shrines and churches which refuse to join the official ‘Patriotic Church,’ was already formidably strong,” the signatories state. “Now, it is unarguable.”

    They therefore said the “time has come for the Vatican to rescind its treaty” with Beijing and, “by so doing, stand in forthright solidarity with all victims of totalitarian oppression.”

    The 2018 provisional agreement is set to expire in September if progress cannot be made, but for Cardinal Zen, the fate of the pact is “not so important” because “we don’t know what is in it.” That lack of knowledge about its contents is a “very serious situation,” he said. “We’ve been left in the dark.”

    Father Cervellera pointed out that the faithful only know what Pope Francis and Cardinal Parolin have said about it, and “so we only know some parts”; but it is nevertheless possible to see the “effects, the consequences of this agreement.”

    Vatican Media claimed that two episcopal ordinations took place last year as “the result of the agreement,” but they had, in fact, been decided long before the agreement was signed, so the pact is “practically useless,” said Cardinal Zen.

    “We don’t see there has been any improvement in this dialogue,” he said.


    PS - There are no coincidences, only God-incidences. +

    Union Locates 39 Million N95 Masks for Healthcare Workers, Local Governments

    By BCN • Published 4 hours ago • Updated 4 hours ago |
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2020
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  6. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    I'd probably go with the weakening of the immune system and the pneumonia effect since that seems to be one of the "killer" effects.
  7. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Actually Trump has....he had the FDA head, stand up on that official briefing stage in front of all and let the public know that Chloroquine could be prescribed here for compassionate use. So it's out there and Cuomo and others are hanging themselves by challenging now the medical community itself. There was nothing there that said all patients receiving this drug had to be in an approved clinical trial while such trials w/ data are also taking place. It was to be up to the doctor and the patient in need. We have seen in the past 4 years how the states will blatantly interfere with Fed. law and challenge Trump's executive orders almost each and every time he worked for the country. That buck stops w/ the governors who look terrible to the public...."evil people" indeed.
  8. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

  9. Indy

    Indy Praying

    Love this video, very reassuring. I needed this right now as I am finding it difficult without the mass and without the Eucharist.

    Mass from Fr Mark also helps

  10. AED

    AED Powers

    He has become our internet pastor.
    God bless and keep him.
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  11. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I have read Mundabor recently, an Italian Catholic blogger living in the UK, who describes a local Lombardy paper having to extend its usual obituary section from one page to nine. If these abnormal numbers of deaths are not caused by COVID-19, it still remains the case that there are an extraordinary number of deaths that need to be explained.

    The issue has been greatly and hysterically exaggerated and hyped, but cannot be dismissed lightly, either.
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  12. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    That is very true. On the one hand, there are those who promote euthanasia and on the other, those who will not accept natural death. One constantly hears of old people with no realistic life prospects being resuscitated and being kept alive with enormous interventions of medicines and equipment. This is what happens when the sense of going to God is lost.
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2020
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  13. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    My wife has been a nurse since 1987.

    She has never before seen fear and panic in the eyes of nurses, doctors in her hospital - it is like war time conditions.

    She has enormous experience.

    She came home shattered yesterday from a single days work. Thank God she now works part-time.

    For those who dismiss this lightly please talk to a doctor or nurse in the frontline and you will change your mind.

    It's really stressful for those medical people looking after these virus patients. For example Monday past the Mater hospital in Belfast received 37 seriously ill virus patients in one afternoon and we are really only at the start of this thing now. Hopefully, the measures taken recently with social distancing etc will have a profound effect.

    The good news is that she said the medical staff have great comradery and spirits like in war time conditions.
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2020
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  14. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    They were effectively told yeasterday no one over the age of 70 years will get a ventilator because the whole system will be swamped with virus patients and they haven't enough ventilators. Some doctors and nurses had tears in their eyes when told this.
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2020
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  15. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    And the Good News - an answer to prayer.

    My wife has been ill for quite a while & being phased back in to work so she is being moved out of the hospital & her whole ward is being redepoyed to a private clinic.

    This is happening now at full steam -- whole wards of elective surgery patients being moved to private clinics & private hospitals so that the main hospitals in Belfast can treat corona virus patients.

    This move is happening on my wife's ward this tomorrow. So I assume next week the main hospitals in Belfast are going to be treating only Covid 19 patients only.

    I prayed so hard for my wife over the past 2 weeks the Heavenly Father arranged this & made sure she was not on the frontline, Alleluia.
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  16. AED

    AED Powers

    This is wonderful news about your wife being moved! I am so glad. Thank you for giving us real insight on this epidemic. Those who say it is just a flu have no idea. Those over 70....this is a somber state of affairs. It is great inspiration to stay put and practice sheltering in place. Praying harder today for all health workers as well as victims.
  17. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers


    by Br. Alexis Bugnolo

    The Corona Hype is not only psychologically dangerous to the nation, because it is causing massive panic, but its medically dangerous to patients and increasing their deaths. So says Dr. Claus Koehnlein, an expert in immunology.

    Here is his testimony in Italian:

    Here is my summary in English: Dr. Koelnlein recommends that if you show signs of the flu, that you stay at home and presume it is the flu. For doctors, he recommends that if a patient has flu symptoms and worries about having coronavirus, to give them a test to see if they have the common winter flu. Chances are, that is all they have. If positive, tell them to stay at home and weather it through.

    He does not recommend the test for coronavirus which gives 50% of the time a false positive, which will not only result in the wrong treatments for the patient but added panic and stress which will reduce the immune response of the patient.

    If, however, you think you have coronavirus, and you go to a hospital to get treatment, you are most likely going to get coronavirus, because the hospitals are contaminated with other cases of those who have coronavirus. This is how the Hype can put you in danger.

    But the real danger lies in how the Hype is causing doctors to react in hospitals. Not wanting to be guilty for under treating a patient for coronavirus, with the result that they die from it, the doctors are prescribing very strong medicines. He cites the case of a 50 year old who was given a battery of 6 medicines, which he believes killed the patient. This resulted from the fact that since coronavirus causes an exaggerated immune system response, the doctors tried to prevent that by giving the patient medicines which suppressed his immune response and left him undefended and killed him.

    This excessive treatment he believes is increasing death rates and making doctors and medical staff in their panic legally liable for murder.

    Politicians, not wanting to be seen of having not done enough, are exaggerating their own responses leading to panic in the general population and in the hospitals.
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  18. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    The good doctor would probably deny that there is such a thing as a pandemic.

    For him even the Bubonic Plague and the Spanish Flu pandemic were invented by Big Pharma.

    If you don't believe in pandemics you don't believe in pandemics.

    In Ireland we still have some people who believe in the fairies.
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  19. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    The Coronavirus Is a Call to Return to God

    Our reaction to the coronavirus reflects the crisis of our secular godless society.

    The problem is not the virus—as potentially lethal as it might be. This outbreak is a biological fact, like so many that have plagued humanity over the ages.

    While a virus is apolitical, it can, however, have political consequences. Much more volatile than the coronavirus is the fear of it. A coronaphobia is rattling the globe. In this sense, the reaction to the coronavirus is extremely political and secular. It reflects a society that has turned its back on God. We face the crisis trusting only in ourselves and our devices.

    Man All Alone
    Indeed, the management of the coronavirus crisis accepts no help from outside. God has no meaning or function inside all the efforts to eradicate it. In God’s stead, there are the immense powers of government mobilized to control every aspect of life to prevent its spread. The mighty arm of science scrambles to find a vaccine. The worlds of finance and technology are brought to bear to mitigate the disastrous effects of the crisis.

    While all human efforts must be used to solve the problems, they have not produced the desired results. Present attempts have disappointed a frenetically intemperate society addicted to instant, push-button solutions. The world has been forced to shut down with no definite timeline as to when the crisis will end.

    For this reason, it is so terrifying. There are few mitigating institutions like the Church to make its treatment humane and bearable. We are left alone to face this great danger. The tiny virus isolates and alienates its victims, taking them out of society. In many cases, it is the individual against the State. Technicians in hazmat suits treat men and women as if they are the virus. In totalitarian China and other places, officials employ brutal violence to force compliance with drastic directives.

    No Longer in Need of God
    A virus is also a-religious. However, that does not prevent it from having a religious dimension. The coronavirus comes at a time when most in society feel they do not need God. For these, God has long been replaced by bread and circuses. The modern pleasures point to no need for heaven. The postmodern vices proclaim no fear of hell.

    And yet the coronavirus has the uncanny ability to turn our material paradises into hells. The cruise ship, the symbol of all earthly delights, became an infected prison for passengers who did everything possible to get out. Those who have made sports their god now find empty stadiums and canceled tournaments. Those who adore money now find decimated portfolios and quarantined workforces. The worshippers of education look at their empty schools and universities. The devotees of consumerism face bare supermarket shelves. The world we worshipped is tumbling down. The things for which we glory are now in ruins.

    A small microbe has toppled the idols that were once thought so stable, powerful and enduring. It has brought their worshippers to their knees. And we still insist that we do not need God. We will spend trillions of dollars in the futile hope of patching our broken idols.

    Banishing God
    However, one aspect of the coronavirus crisis is still worse. It is bad enough that God is replaced or ignored. We have gone one step further. God is banished from the scene; He is forbidden to act.

    Among the draconian measures decreed, government officials are forbidding public worship. In Italy, they have banned Masses, stopped communion and confession. The Church and its holy sacraments are considered an occasion of contagion, treated no different than a sports event or music concert.

    In their turn, the media mock the Church claiming that even God has been self-quarantined.

    A Crisis of Faith
    Sadly, some Church officials are only too willing to comply with such measures. They deprive the faithful of the sacraments just when they needed them most. They go beyond what officials ask even to the point of emptying fonts of their holy water and replacing them with sanitizer dispensers. They discourage the giving of the Last Rites.

    Not even miracles are allowed. Church officials unilaterally closed the miraculous healing baths at Lourdes, in France! Those miraculous waters have probably cured every disease known to humanity. Is this coronavirus any more lethal?

    Such is the state of our Faith in crisis.

    The Solution Lies in Reinvigorating Faith
    Some might object that taking a non-secular attitude toward the virus requires a leap of faith. However, we must ask which is the greater leap of faith—to confide in Holy Mother Church or the cold hands of a State that had already shown itself incapable of solving society’s problems?

    We have every reason to confide in God. The problem is that we allow officials to treat the Church as if She knows nothing about healing bodies and souls. They have conveniently forgotten that the Church is a mother. She established the world’s first hospitals during the Middle Ages. The foundations of modern medicine are rooted in Her solicitude for the sick. She handled each patient as if Christ Himself. Thus, the Church sent orders of priests, monks and nuns to provide free health care for the poor and sick all over the world. Down through the ages, amid plague and pestilence, we find the Church in their midst, ministering to the infected despite great dangers.

    Above all, the Church cared for the souls of the suffering sick. She comforted, consoled and anointed the afflicted. She maintained countless shrines, like Lourdes, where the pilgrims are rewarded for their faith with peace of mind, cures and miracles.

    In times of plague, the prayers of whole communities might rise to ask God to come to the aid of a sinful society in need of His mercy. History gives testimony that these prayers were often heard.

    When the Church acts as she should, she prevents crises like the coronavirus from becoming inhuman and overwhelming. Like a mother, she provides consolation and hope in moments of darkness. She reminds us that we are not alone and should always have recourse to God. It makes no sense to banish God from the fight against the coronavirus.

    Turning to God
    Indeed, the coronavirus crisis should be a call to reject our godless society.

    This crisis threatens to go beyond the health crisis and bring down the American economy. We must, therefore, ask why God is replaced, ignored and banished. It is time to turn to God, who alone can save us from this disaster.

    Turning to God does not mean offering up a symbolic prayer or holding a procession in the hopes of returning to lives of sin and intemperate pleasures. Instead, it must consist of sincere prayer, sacrifice and penance like that requested by Our Lady at Fatima in 1917.

    Turning to God presupposes an amendment of life in the face of a world that hates God’s law and barrels toward its destruction. It means acting as the Church has always done, with commonsense, wisdom, charity, but, above all, faith and confidence. All of these Church remedies, full of comfort and healing, are within the grasp of the faithful.

    Turning to God does not mean we deny the role of government in handling public health emergencies. However, Faith must be a major component of any solution. God is with us. We should confide in the Blessed Sacrament, the Real Presence of God in the world and the God Who created us. We should have recourse to the Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, Health of the Sick, and Mother of Mercy.

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  20. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    I'm not sure your point. I'm sure Dr. Koehnlein believes in pandemics.

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