Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by garabandal, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. I'd probably go with the weakening of the immune system and the pneumonia effect since that seems to be one of the "killer" effects.
  2. Actually Trump has....he had the FDA head, stand up on that official briefing stage in front of all and let the public know that Chloroquine could be prescribed here for compassionate use. So it's out there and Cuomo and others are hanging themselves by challenging now the medical community itself. There was nothing there that said all patients receiving this drug had to be in an approved clinical trial while such trials w/ data are also taking place. It was to be up to the doctor and the patient in need. We have seen in the past 4 years how the states will blatantly interfere with Fed. law and challenge Trump's executive orders almost each and every time he worked for the country. That buck stops w/ the governors who look terrible to the public...."evil people" indeed.
  3. Indy

    Indy Praying

    Love this video, very reassuring. I needed this right now as I am finding it difficult without the mass and without the Eucharist.

    Mass from Fr Mark also helps

  4. AED

    AED Powers

    He has become our internet pastor.
    God bless and keep him.
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  5. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I have read Mundabor recently, an Italian Catholic blogger living in the UK, who describes a local Lombardy paper having to extend its usual obituary section from one page to nine. If these abnormal numbers of deaths are not caused by COVID-19, it still remains the case that there are an extraordinary number of deaths that need to be explained.

    The issue has been greatly and hysterically exaggerated and hyped, but cannot be dismissed lightly, either.
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  6. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    That is very true. On the one hand, there are those who promote euthanasia and on the other, those who will not accept natural death. One constantly hears of old people with no realistic life prospects being resuscitated and being kept alive with enormous interventions of medicines and equipment. This is what happens when the sense of going to God is lost.
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  7. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    My wife has been a nurse since 1987.

    She has never before seen fear and panic in the eyes of nurses, doctors in her hospital - it is like war time conditions.

    She has enormous experience.

    She came home shattered yesterday from a single days work. Thank God she now works part-time.

    For those who dismiss this lightly please talk to a doctor or nurse in the frontline and you will change your mind.

    It's really stressful for those medical people looking after these virus patients. For example Monday past the Mater hospital in Belfast received 37 seriously ill virus patients in one afternoon and we are really only at the start of this thing now. Hopefully, the measures taken recently with social distancing etc will have a profound effect.

    The good news is that she said the medical staff have great comradery and spirits like in war time conditions.
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  8. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    They were effectively told yeasterday no one over the age of 70 years will get a ventilator because the whole system will be swamped with virus patients and they haven't enough ventilators. Some doctors and nurses had tears in their eyes when told this.
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  9. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    And the Good News - an answer to prayer.

    My wife has been ill for quite a while & being phased back in to work so she is being moved out of the hospital & her whole ward is being redepoyed to a private clinic.

    This is happening now at full steam -- whole wards of elective surgery patients being moved to private clinics & private hospitals so that the main hospitals in Belfast can treat corona virus patients.

    This move is happening on my wife's ward this tomorrow. So I assume next week the main hospitals in Belfast are going to be treating only Covid 19 patients only.

    I prayed so hard for my wife over the past 2 weeks the Heavenly Father arranged this & made sure she was not on the frontline, Alleluia.
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  10. AED

    AED Powers

    This is wonderful news about your wife being moved! I am so glad. Thank you for giving us real insight on this epidemic. Those who say it is just a flu have no idea. Those over 70....this is a somber state of affairs. It is great inspiration to stay put and practice sheltering in place. Praying harder today for all health workers as well as victims.
  11. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers


    by Br. Alexis Bugnolo

    The Corona Hype is not only psychologically dangerous to the nation, because it is causing massive panic, but its medically dangerous to patients and increasing their deaths. So says Dr. Claus Koehnlein, an expert in immunology.

    Here is his testimony in Italian:

    Here is my summary in English: Dr. Koelnlein recommends that if you show signs of the flu, that you stay at home and presume it is the flu. For doctors, he recommends that if a patient has flu symptoms and worries about having coronavirus, to give them a test to see if they have the common winter flu. Chances are, that is all they have. If positive, tell them to stay at home and weather it through.

    He does not recommend the test for coronavirus which gives 50% of the time a false positive, which will not only result in the wrong treatments for the patient but added panic and stress which will reduce the immune response of the patient.

    If, however, you think you have coronavirus, and you go to a hospital to get treatment, you are most likely going to get coronavirus, because the hospitals are contaminated with other cases of those who have coronavirus. This is how the Hype can put you in danger.

    But the real danger lies in how the Hype is causing doctors to react in hospitals. Not wanting to be guilty for under treating a patient for coronavirus, with the result that they die from it, the doctors are prescribing very strong medicines. He cites the case of a 50 year old who was given a battery of 6 medicines, which he believes killed the patient. This resulted from the fact that since coronavirus causes an exaggerated immune system response, the doctors tried to prevent that by giving the patient medicines which suppressed his immune response and left him undefended and killed him.

    This excessive treatment he believes is increasing death rates and making doctors and medical staff in their panic legally liable for murder.

    Politicians, not wanting to be seen of having not done enough, are exaggerating their own responses leading to panic in the general population and in the hospitals.
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  12. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    The good doctor would probably deny that there is such a thing as a pandemic.

    For him even the Bubonic Plague and the Spanish Flu pandemic were invented by Big Pharma.

    If you don't believe in pandemics you don't believe in pandemics.

    In Ireland we still have some people who believe in the fairies.
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  13. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    The Coronavirus Is a Call to Return to God

    Our reaction to the coronavirus reflects the crisis of our secular godless society.

    The problem is not the virus—as potentially lethal as it might be. This outbreak is a biological fact, like so many that have plagued humanity over the ages.

    While a virus is apolitical, it can, however, have political consequences. Much more volatile than the coronavirus is the fear of it. A coronaphobia is rattling the globe. In this sense, the reaction to the coronavirus is extremely political and secular. It reflects a society that has turned its back on God. We face the crisis trusting only in ourselves and our devices.

    Man All Alone
    Indeed, the management of the coronavirus crisis accepts no help from outside. God has no meaning or function inside all the efforts to eradicate it. In God’s stead, there are the immense powers of government mobilized to control every aspect of life to prevent its spread. The mighty arm of science scrambles to find a vaccine. The worlds of finance and technology are brought to bear to mitigate the disastrous effects of the crisis.

    While all human efforts must be used to solve the problems, they have not produced the desired results. Present attempts have disappointed a frenetically intemperate society addicted to instant, push-button solutions. The world has been forced to shut down with no definite timeline as to when the crisis will end.

    For this reason, it is so terrifying. There are few mitigating institutions like the Church to make its treatment humane and bearable. We are left alone to face this great danger. The tiny virus isolates and alienates its victims, taking them out of society. In many cases, it is the individual against the State. Technicians in hazmat suits treat men and women as if they are the virus. In totalitarian China and other places, officials employ brutal violence to force compliance with drastic directives.

    No Longer in Need of God
    A virus is also a-religious. However, that does not prevent it from having a religious dimension. The coronavirus comes at a time when most in society feel they do not need God. For these, God has long been replaced by bread and circuses. The modern pleasures point to no need for heaven. The postmodern vices proclaim no fear of hell.

    And yet the coronavirus has the uncanny ability to turn our material paradises into hells. The cruise ship, the symbol of all earthly delights, became an infected prison for passengers who did everything possible to get out. Those who have made sports their god now find empty stadiums and canceled tournaments. Those who adore money now find decimated portfolios and quarantined workforces. The worshippers of education look at their empty schools and universities. The devotees of consumerism face bare supermarket shelves. The world we worshipped is tumbling down. The things for which we glory are now in ruins.

    A small microbe has toppled the idols that were once thought so stable, powerful and enduring. It has brought their worshippers to their knees. And we still insist that we do not need God. We will spend trillions of dollars in the futile hope of patching our broken idols.

    Banishing God
    However, one aspect of the coronavirus crisis is still worse. It is bad enough that God is replaced or ignored. We have gone one step further. God is banished from the scene; He is forbidden to act.

    Among the draconian measures decreed, government officials are forbidding public worship. In Italy, they have banned Masses, stopped communion and confession. The Church and its holy sacraments are considered an occasion of contagion, treated no different than a sports event or music concert.

    In their turn, the media mock the Church claiming that even God has been self-quarantined.

    A Crisis of Faith
    Sadly, some Church officials are only too willing to comply with such measures. They deprive the faithful of the sacraments just when they needed them most. They go beyond what officials ask even to the point of emptying fonts of their holy water and replacing them with sanitizer dispensers. They discourage the giving of the Last Rites.

    Not even miracles are allowed. Church officials unilaterally closed the miraculous healing baths at Lourdes, in France! Those miraculous waters have probably cured every disease known to humanity. Is this coronavirus any more lethal?

    Such is the state of our Faith in crisis.

    The Solution Lies in Reinvigorating Faith
    Some might object that taking a non-secular attitude toward the virus requires a leap of faith. However, we must ask which is the greater leap of faith—to confide in Holy Mother Church or the cold hands of a State that had already shown itself incapable of solving society’s problems?

    We have every reason to confide in God. The problem is that we allow officials to treat the Church as if She knows nothing about healing bodies and souls. They have conveniently forgotten that the Church is a mother. She established the world’s first hospitals during the Middle Ages. The foundations of modern medicine are rooted in Her solicitude for the sick. She handled each patient as if Christ Himself. Thus, the Church sent orders of priests, monks and nuns to provide free health care for the poor and sick all over the world. Down through the ages, amid plague and pestilence, we find the Church in their midst, ministering to the infected despite great dangers.

    Above all, the Church cared for the souls of the suffering sick. She comforted, consoled and anointed the afflicted. She maintained countless shrines, like Lourdes, where the pilgrims are rewarded for their faith with peace of mind, cures and miracles.

    In times of plague, the prayers of whole communities might rise to ask God to come to the aid of a sinful society in need of His mercy. History gives testimony that these prayers were often heard.

    When the Church acts as she should, she prevents crises like the coronavirus from becoming inhuman and overwhelming. Like a mother, she provides consolation and hope in moments of darkness. She reminds us that we are not alone and should always have recourse to God. It makes no sense to banish God from the fight against the coronavirus.

    Turning to God
    Indeed, the coronavirus crisis should be a call to reject our godless society.

    This crisis threatens to go beyond the health crisis and bring down the American economy. We must, therefore, ask why God is replaced, ignored and banished. It is time to turn to God, who alone can save us from this disaster.

    Turning to God does not mean offering up a symbolic prayer or holding a procession in the hopes of returning to lives of sin and intemperate pleasures. Instead, it must consist of sincere prayer, sacrifice and penance like that requested by Our Lady at Fatima in 1917.

    Turning to God presupposes an amendment of life in the face of a world that hates God’s law and barrels toward its destruction. It means acting as the Church has always done, with commonsense, wisdom, charity, but, above all, faith and confidence. All of these Church remedies, full of comfort and healing, are within the grasp of the faithful.

    Turning to God does not mean we deny the role of government in handling public health emergencies. However, Faith must be a major component of any solution. God is with us. We should confide in the Blessed Sacrament, the Real Presence of God in the world and the God Who created us. We should have recourse to the Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, Health of the Sick, and Mother of Mercy.

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  14. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    I'm not sure your point. I'm sure Dr. Koehnlein believes in pandemics.
  15. garabandal

    garabandal Powers


    He may well be right. But there is also a possibility that he may occasionally get it wrong;)
  16. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Why France Is Hiding a Cheap and Tested Virus Cure

    What’s going on in the fifth largest economy in the world arguably points to a major collusion scandal in which the French government is helping Big Pharma to profit from the expansion of Covid-19. Informed French citizens are absolutely furious about it.

    My initial question to a serious, unimpeachable Paris source, jurist Valerie Bugault, was about the liaisons dangereuses between Macronism and Big Pharma and especially about the mysterious “disappearance” – more likely outright theft – of all the stocks of chloroquine in possession of the French government.

    Respected Professor Christian Perronne talked about the theft live in one of France’s 24/7 info channels: “The central pharmacy for the hospitals announced today that they were facing a total rupture of stocks, that they were pillaged.”

    With input from another, anonymous source, it’s now possible to establish a timeline that puts in much-needed perspective the recent actions of the French government....

    Here’s the timeline:

    On January 13, Agnes Buzyn, still France’s Health Minister, classifies chloroquine as a “poisonous substance,” from now on only available by prescription. An astonishing move, considering that it has been sold off the shelf in France for half a century.

    On March 16, the Macron government orders a partial lockdown. There’s not a peep about chloroquine. Police initially are not required to wear masks; most have been stolen anyway, and there are not enough masks even for health workers. In 2011 France had nearly 1.5 billion masks: 800 million surgical masks and 600 million masks for health professionals generally.

    But then, over the years, the strategic stocks were not renewed, to please the EU and to apply the Maastricht criteria, which limited membership in the Growth and Stability Pact to countries whose budget deficits did not exceed 3% of GDP. One of those in charge at the time was Jerome Salomon, now a scientific counselor to the Macron government.

    On March 17, Agnes Buzyn says she has learned the spread of Covid-19 will be a major tsunami, for which the French health system has no solution. She also says it had been her understanding that the Paris mayoral election “would not take place” and that it was, ultimately, “a masquerade.”

    What she does not say is that she didn’t go public at the time she was running because the whole political focus by the Macron political machine was on winning the “masquerade.” The first round of the election meant nothing, as Covid-19 was advancing. The second round was postponed indefinitely. She had to know about the impending healthcare disaster. But as a candidate of the Macron machine she did not go public in timely fashion.

    In quick succession:

    The Macron government refuses to apply mass testing, as practiced with success in South Korea and Germany.

    Le Monde and the French state health agency characterize Raoult’s research as fake news, before issuing a retraction.

    Professor Perrone reveals on the 24/7 LCI news channel that the stock of chloroquine at the French central pharmacy has been stolen.

    Thanks to a tweet by Elon Musk, President Trump says chloroquine should be available to all Americans. Sufferers of lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, who already have supply problems with the only drug that offers them relief, set social media afire with their panic.

    US doctors and other medical professionals take to hoarding the medicine for the use of themselves and those close to them, faking prescriptions to indicate they are for patients with lupus or rheumatoid arthritis.

    Morocco buys the stock of chloroquine from Sanofi in Casablanca.

    Pakistan decides to increase its production of chloroquine to be sent to China.

    Switzerland discards the total lockdown of its population; goes for mass testing and fast treatment; and accuses France of practicing “spectacle politics.”

    Christian Estrosi, the mayor of Nice, having had himself treated with chloroquine, without any government input, directly calls Sanofi so they may deliver chloroquine to Nice hospitals.

    Because of Raoult’s research, a large-scale chloroquine test finally starts in France, under the – predictable – direction of INSERM, which wants to “remake the experiments in other independent medical centers.” This will take at least an extra six weeks – as the Elysee Palace’s scientific council now mulls the extension of France’s total lockdown to … six weeks.

    If joint use of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin proves definitely effective among the most gravely ill, quarantines may be reduced in select clusters.

    The only French company that still manufactures chloroquine is under judicial intervention. That puts the chloroquine hoarding and theft into full perspective. It will take time for these stocks to be replenished, thus allowing Big Pharma the leeway to have what it wants: a costly solution.

    It appears the perpetrators of the chloroquine theft were very well informed.

    In an explosive development on Tuesday, Raoult said he’s not participating in Macron’s scientific council anymore, even though he’s not quitting it altogether. Raoult once again insists on massive testing on a national scale to detect suspected cases, and then isolate and treat patients who tested positive. In a nutshell: the South Korean model.

    That’s exactly what is expected from the IHU in Marseille, where hundreds of residents continue to queue up for testing. And that ties in with the conclusions by a top Chinese expert on Covid-19, Zhang Nanshan, who says that treatment with chloroquine phospate had a “positive impact,” with patients testing negative after around four days.

    The key point has been stressed by Raoult: Use chloroquine in very special circumstances, for people tested very early, when the disease is not advanced yet, and only in these cases. He’s not advocating chloroquine for everyone. It’s exactly what the Chinese did, along with their use of Interferon....
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  17. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    The doctor concerned complains of 'hype', then goes on to hyperbolically speculate about doctors being guilty of 'murder'.

    Everyone concerned is doing their best. As there is little known about the disease, there are going to be diverse opinions on the best modes of treatment. Much treatment is going to be symptomatic and what might work exceedingly well for the majority could be detrimental for a minority. This is always, I strongly suspect, the case in medicine and not just in the case of COVID-19, as is the case in veterinary medicine from my own experience. In terms of biology, there are few certainties (the inevitability of death being about the only one) and one has to rely on probabilities and quite often, in the face of limited data, the use of intuition. Sometimes it will go wrong-probabilistically it has to. God bless these doctors, nurses and medical administrators performing heroically in the face of what is unquestionably a real crisis.

    The issue for the future is that such reactions to crises are not sustainable and may result in greater numbers of deaths in the long run-President Trump, for example, has rightly pointed out the risk of suicides in the face of economic collapse. What is necessary is not to increase the degree of crisis, but to reduce the causes. Globalisation implies the globalisation of infections of all kinds, apart from its other problems. I think it is all coming from a push for Communism International. In previous times, the communists divided in order to conquer on economic lines, setting the working class and the middle class at one another's throats. This no longer works, so they are engineering 'diversity' in order to have classes based on culture, race, religion and sexuality mixed together with the intention of a chaotic conflict that will provide an opportunity for 'the state', in other words the communists, to seize complete power. This event might be providing an opportunity for a training exercise. Still, for the ordinary person it is a nasty medical event that has to be dealt with.

    Every country now needs to reassert its independence. The declaration by the Czechs that they are closing their borders for two years is a good sign-post.
  18. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    Prayers for your wife's endurance.
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  19. sunburst

    sunburst Powers

    This was all played out about a year ago in 2019. Here is a short video of the events we are experiencing now. The shortened video below is fictional and played out by some of the elites involved now. The Gates are funding these events.

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