Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by garabandal, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. One analysis of the stats.

    The Total Number of Coronavirus Deaths to Date in the World Still Less Than Total Number of Flu Deaths in the US This Flu Season

    The governments around the world have shut down the world economy for two months due to the coronavirus. These efforts which may have economic ramifications for years to come are in response to the Wuhan coronavirus which hasn’t yet killed as many people worldwide as the flu killed in America this year.

    As we have reported several times now —
    the Director of the World Health Organization created an international panic when he miscalculated the coronavirus mortality rate at 3.4%.

    The controversial Ethiopian politician and Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO), Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, claimed in a press conference in early March that the fatality rate for the coronavirus was many multiples that of the fatality rate of the common flu.

    This egregiously false premise has led to the greatest economic panic in world history.

    The problem is his statement is false. It was not accurate!
    As The Gateway Pundit reported, the coronavirus mortality rate reported by the media as stated by Dr. Ghebreyesus does not include the estimated 36,000,000 people that are included in the flu calculation for those who had the flu but were not tested and confirmed. This additional 36,000,000 person estimate is absent in the coronavirus calculation.


    Today the total number of deaths related to the coronavirus has increased to 22,019 worldwide as of this morning.


    However, according to the weekly CDC flu report — there are 23,000 flu deaths this year in the US.

    The American public is being misled by our elites. The fatalities related to the coronavirus are a fraction of those of the flu. So why the hell are the governments around the world shutting down their economies for this?

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  2. FatimaPilgrim

    FatimaPilgrim Powers

    The coronovirus is not "it". But whatever "it" is, is out there stalking us while we're being set up.

    This has been way overblown and in a much shorter time than most think this will fade and we'll think we've been saved, but it'll be a false dawn. This was unleashed on us for a reason. Think about who would want us to shut down all Masses, shut down our economies, cause nations to go further to the brink fiscally putting our world economy on the edge, and why would they want to do this? Look at the numbers, there's no wild spread of this outbreak, there's not people falling over dead in the streets like we were "shown" happening in China at the start. Who did this and why did they do this? What is the landscape being prepared for?
  3. Maybe people should think about going to hospitals....try to just have their doctors order the drugs that are showing good results? They may not even get those in hospitals.

    US Hospitals Consider Do-Not-Resuscitate Laws for All COVID-19 Patients

    US hospitals are considering “do-not-resuscitate” laws for all COVID-19 patients.

    The hospital officials are citing that their staff is at high risk of getting exposed to the deadly virus as there is low supply of protective equipment.
  4. DesertStar7

    DesertStar7 To Jesus + through Mary @-}---

    But COVID-13 is so quickly spread. This thing spreads like wildfire.

    That, in my unprofessional humble opinion, is what makes it so dangerous.
  5. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    You have asked some very pertinent questions. I pray to God that the truth will come out and people will be helped.
    Thank you.
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  6. FatimaPilgrim

    FatimaPilgrim Powers

    I urgently ask all to stop worrying about this (Do Not Fear, as Jesus told us so many times) but instead step back and ask why they did this? A lot of damage has been done to weaken the already stretched world financial system. One day after passing that atrocious bailout here in the U.S. which will be the knockout blow to our fiscal system, and after landing a severe punch to businesses across the U.S. and across the world, one that will lead to huge inflation setting the stage for financial collapse so we can be "rescued" by the new world financial system they magically propose as the answer, this news comes out (and this is what Father Heilman was talking about when he said he had a feeling yesterday would be a good day), this is the guy who wrote the study that all the world governments based their reactions of, now it's all "oops, I made a mistake, it's not that bad". Pray about this, why did they do this?

    "Epidemiologist Neil Ferguson, who created the highly-cited Imperial College London coronavirus model, which has been cited by organizations like The New York Times and has been instrumental in governmental policy decision-making, offered a massive revision to his model on Wednesday.

    Ferguson’s model projected 2.2 million dead people in the United States and 500,000 in the U.K. from COVID-19 if no action were taken to slow the virus and blunt its curve.

    However, after just one day of ordered lockdowns in the U.K., Ferguson has changed his tune, revealing that far more people likely have the virus than his team figured. Now, the epidemiologist predicts, hospitals will be just fine taking on COVID-19 patients and estimates 20,000 or far fewer people will die from the virus itself or from its agitation of other ailments.

    Ferguson thus dropped his prediction from 500,000 dead to 20,000."
  7. But with a projected death rate of this year's annual flu of over 50,000 deaths w/ millions infected must also be spreading....but "crickets" about those folks....because it couldn't be used for same motivation??

    As of January 2020, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is reporting that flu activity is high across the United States.

    So far this season, the flu is tracking as many as:

    Illnesses: 54 million

    Deaths: 59,000

  8. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It all strikes me as either, at best, criminal negligence on the part of the Chinese Communists, or, worst-case interpretation, a deliberate biological attack on the West. There will be plenty of time to investigate these matters when things settle down. However, if I was a native of Northern Italy, I doubt I'd consider it over-blown.

    I'm most disgusted at the likes of the bishops of England and Wales who actually went beyond the official decrees of the authorities and actually closed all churches, with Archbishop Nichols declaring their remaining open as not 'essential'. This is what our own bishops think of Our Lord in the Tabernacle. There is no necessity for a third party to suppress Christianity, when clericalism of the worst kind does it for them.
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  9. DesertStar7

    DesertStar7 To Jesus + through Mary @-}---

    Well...I've worked alongside "Medicine" for 30 years and this situation impresses me (negatively).

    Seeing the initial images out of Wuhan, of people collapsing or collapsed face-down, with blood around them. :unsure:

    I don't want to play up fears but I can't also think of this as "just a flu." A doctor in Italy, at the front lines of the outbreak there, has warned UK & USA that this is not a flu.

    I can send you a Youtube link to that televised interview, if you like.
  10. Donna259

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  11. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    The reason the 'flu' death is so high is to justify the flu jabs.

    The figures are inflated deliberately.—-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc

    USA flu deaths more PR than science?
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  12. FatimaPilgrim

    FatimaPilgrim Powers

    Did you read the quote from the expert in Italy who said that their numbers reported are wildly inflated? His estimate was that only 12% of the deaths were actually due to the virus. As the expert in the article that I posted above states, now he estimates 20,000 deaths in the UK due to this and of those half of them (10,000) would be people who were going to pass anyway "of natural causes" anyway.

    This has all been done to set the stage. Set the stage for what, is the question we all need ponder deeply as that is the real thing we should all watch out for, why did they do this, what did they prepare the landscape for?
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  13. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    3000 flu deaths in USA in 1986-87

    Mmm I wonder why they have shot up, up & up? And up and up. How convenient for the Big Pharma companies!

    Flu jab = Big Pharma = $1.6 billion industry.

    There are lies damn lies and statistics.
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  14. FatimaPilgrim

    FatimaPilgrim Powers

    Yep, in the old days our 83 year old grandfather "died of natural causes" but today that same 83 year old grandfather gets sick and "died from the flu" when the simple fact is an elderly person's immune system is weak, anything will kill them as they are simply old and ready to go home to the Lord
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  15. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    And the doctors are encouraged to state 'died from flu like symptoms' in order for big pharma to push the flu jab onto the elderly population to make more money. Vicious circle
  16. Also quality control. I never had the flu shot until recent years and never got what I would have known, anyway, were flu symptoms....probably just attributed any bad aches and pains, lumpy throat, etc. to other normal illnesses. But I've had the flu shot for the last 4 years and haven't had the flu nor even those other prior symptoms either....and I'm definitely in the compromised age group w/ compromised system in general. My husband had to take the flu shots during his military career and always got sick. He's taken the flu shot also now for past 4 years under current great doctor and not gotten sick....but nothing is ever forced in our case anyway....only asked. If people don't want them they should just refuse them. Like a lot of doctors.....several in extended family.....who feel that they had to finally give in to mothers for years who insisted on the gazillion antibiotics for children or themselves which of course also lessened the degree to which the natural immune system could fight things off. I knew of several women friends over the past decades who, even after testing were told their sore throats were not strep but they wouldn't accept and would go to another doc to get what they wanted....more antibiotics!

    A friend whose sister is a PhD nurse practitioner in NY, doing lots of tests on the various treatments for this COVID-19 just told me that her sister said DO NOT take Ibuprofen for it.....causes it to greatly worsen!
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  17. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Thanks etoa, great insight and advice.

    This article may offer a little more insight and tips on what to do if you think that you may have this virus. It also explains why Ibuprofen might not be a good idea to take if you have the virus or think that you may have it.

    Do Anti-Inflammatories Like Ibuprofen Aggravate Coronavirus?
    Is it safe to use this common anti-inflammatory if you have COVID-19?
    By Elaine K. Howle, Contributor | March 20, 2020, at 10:55 a.m.|
  18. Sunnyveil

    Sunnyveil Archangels

    I agree with you.

    This virus does seem more and more to be a tool of the global elite to take down the financial system and to empower the new world order they've been building for decades. The financial system is a house of cards as there is something like 260 trillion dollars of debt worldwide -- maybe this too was part of the plan. We'll need a new currency as this rickety financial structure implodes as well as a global government plan to help get us out of the recession/depression that is sure to come. Maybe this pandemic is a tool for the big global power grab.

    It's no coincidence we have a corona (sun) virus that everyone is afraid will kill them. It's being compared to the Spanish Flu that occurred at the time of the events at Fatima. Maybe the time will now be ripe for a communist (global elite) power grab not unlike Russia in 1917. Conchita from Garabandal stated that prophesied events would happen when communism returned. Maybe this is it.
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  19. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Bump. (y)

    It seems like they are stating all of the intentions that they have received and stating their own intentions now. This is very relatable imho. +


    Edited to add:

    Thank you indaiatubano, they did a very nice job. For others who were unable to watch it, they are a young couple with an infant and they were a very good example of how we can pray when we have to work around some distractions. Beautiful! :love:

    I might have stated this in the past, if I have not apologize but I find it interesting that the number 18 is very connected to Our Lady of Garabandal and it takes approximately 18 minutes to say the rosary each day, any one of the four mysteries. This couple also added a novena for the Coronavirus at the very end which took probably another 2 minutes or so. (But I know that I am preaching to the choir masters. :LOL:)

    They also mentioned the following which is very good imho. I absolutely plan to participate in it and I will ask my husband and son to do so also and I plan to share this information with the rest of my family and friends and I hope that everyone here will do the same. +


    They also stated that this would be aired on ETWN tomorrow in addition to what the Vatican's facebook page. I think that 6pm GMT+1 is 1pm EST but I will try and verify and update this post if I need to make a correction.


    Cardinal Joseph Zen, shown in Hong Kong on Dec. 5, 2018, told the Register that the situation is serious for the faithful in China. (Anthony Wallace/AFP via Getty Images)
    Vatican | Mar. 26, 2020
    Cardinal Zen: ‘Terrible’ Vatican-China Deal Sending Catholics ‘to Catacombs’
    The cardinal told the Register that ‘it’s useless to fight now’ and urged a tactical retreat.
    Edward Pentin |

    Continuing Crackdowns

    The timing of the Vatican’s diplomacy with the Chinese authorities has been roundly criticized as a mistake, as crackdowns on Catholics have not reduced but increased, and incidents of religious persecution are reportedly running at record levels. These include closing or destroying churches, jailing pastors and priests and surveillance control and restrictions. Nor has the coronavirus reportedly lessened the extent of the crackdown, as reports have emerged of continued destruction of churches even during the lockdown. [Emphasis added.]

    China has undergone fluctuating periods of freedom and constraint, and this is a time of “restriction” and “sinicization,” missionary Father Sergio Ticozzi, a member of the Pontifical Institute for Foreign Missions, explained in Hong Kong-China: The Catholic Issue, a new documentary by Elisabetta Valgiusti, produced by Save the Monasteries. “All religions must be Chinese, especially those from outside, thus the Christian churches, Islam and Lama Buddhism of Tibet. It’s a policy to force churches and religions to sinicize.”

    The Chinese authorities’ main purpose is “political,” Father Ticozzi continued. “The party must have control over every area of citizens’ lives, including the religious aspect. Although they say they respect religion, they tolerate it but promote Marxism fully.”

    Cardinal Zen told the program it is a new form of persecution and that “with the help of the Holy See” they are succeeding in “destroying all the Church.”

    Christopher Patten, Britain’s last governor of Hong Kong who spent many years negotiating with Beijing before handing the former colony over to the Chinese in 1999, said in February he thought the Vatican had “got it very badly wrong about China.” A well-known British Catholic who usually takes a more liberal position, Lord Patten said he felt it was an “extraordinary time” to be dealing with China in this way, which has “gone back on human rights.”

    More opposition came on March 12 from a group of 31 British Catholics who wrote a letter to the Catholic Herald calling for the provisional agreement to be “torn up” on the grounds that China is continuing to commit human-rights violations, including organ harvesting and the persecution of Catholics.

    “The case for opposing the Vatican’s deal with Xi Jinping’s government, which also harasses and detains leading Catholic clergy and destroys Catholic shrines and churches which refuse to join the official ‘Patriotic Church,’ was already formidably strong,” the signatories state. “Now, it is unarguable.”

    They therefore said the “time has come for the Vatican to rescind its treaty” with Beijing and, “by so doing, stand in forthright solidarity with all victims of totalitarian oppression.”

    The 2018 provisional agreement is set to expire in September if progress cannot be made, but for Cardinal Zen, the fate of the pact is “not so important” because “we don’t know what is in it.” That lack of knowledge about its contents is a “very serious situation,” he said. “We’ve been left in the dark.”

    Father Cervellera pointed out that the faithful only know what Pope Francis and Cardinal Parolin have said about it, and “so we only know some parts”; but it is nevertheless possible to see the “effects, the consequences of this agreement.”

    Vatican Media claimed that two episcopal ordinations took place last year as “the result of the agreement,” but they had, in fact, been decided long before the agreement was signed, so the pact is “practically useless,” said Cardinal Zen.

    “We don’t see there has been any improvement in this dialogue,” he said.


    PS - There are no coincidences, only God-incidences. +

    Union Locates 39 Million N95 Masks for Healthcare Workers, Local Governments

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