CONCERNING OBJECTIONS TO CHURCH'S TEACHING ON RECEPTION OF HOLY COMMUNION BY DIVORCED AND REMARRIED

There is a story about St. Augustine trying to contemplate the mystery of the Trinity. Maybe someone can post that. I cannot from this device. Thanks.

 

The Vision of St. Augustine
St. Augustine was walking by the seashore one day contemplating the mystery of the Holy Trinity when he saw a little child running back and forth from the water to a spot on the seashore. The boy was using a shell to carry water from the large ocean and pour it into a small pit that he had made in the sand.

Augustine came up to him and asked him what he was doing.

“I’m going to pour the entire ocean into this hole,” the boy replied.

“What?” said Augustine. “That is impossible, my dear child, the sea is so great and the shell and the hole are so little.”

“That is true,” the boy said. “It would be easier and quicker to draw all the water out of the sea and fit it into this hole than for you to fit the mystery of the Trinity and His Divinity into your little intellect; for the Mystery of the Trinity is greater and larger in comparison with your intelligence than is this vast ocean in comparison with this little hole.”

And then the child vanished.

What does it mean?
Some say that St. Augustine had been talking with an angel sent by God to teach him a lesson on intellectual pride. Others say it was the Christ Child Himself who came to remind Augustine of the limits of human understanding in relation to the great mysteries of our Faith.

The Sea Shell
Because of this story, the sea shell has become a symbol of St. Augustine and the study of theology.

http://olmlaycarmelites.org/reflections/mystery-trinity

 

Cardinal Cupich uses the excuse of grown-up Catholicism for giving Holy Communion to unrepentant sodomites.

Fr. James Martin says that the man Jesus learned from the Canaanite woman that his ministry wasn't just for the Jews.

Jesus said that unless we be like a child we won't get into Heaven. He never once mentioned adult, mature or grown up.

Funny how intellectual pride dressed up as mature discernment can lead to heresy - and not just on the modernist side.

 

Read the underlined bit below from the catechism and learn something about Catholic teaching on the Trinity.

CCC240 Jesus revealed that God is Father in an unheard-of sense: he is Father not only in being Creator; he is eternally Father in relation to his only Son, who is eternally Son only in relation to his Father: "No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

 

What is happening in our beloved Church today may well dwarf the confusion and heresy of Arianism. Arianism was just one heresy, while intoday's Church we have several going on within the subject of marriage and family, just as our Lady of Fatima foretold.

 

I think you are right, the current crisis in the Church is Modernism and it dwarfs the Arian crisis, but the Arian crisis is the closest thing we have to look back to to see how we should respond.

Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies at Pope St. Pius X called it.

Here is a good article for anyone who is interested. It is a good basic primer on what Modernism is and why it is so poisonous.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/modernism-the-heresy-of-heresies

 

Very good .
And any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.?
Yes?

Indeed the Son of God has revealed his Father to me.
And let me tell you plain and bluntly that God the Father is not a human being.
Let me also tell you plain and bluntly that God the Father is extremely unhappy at the state men have eroded the authority and status of the papacy.
God the Father is also extremely distressed at the complete failure of the Roman Catholic Pope, Cardinals and bishops to remove heretical theologians and dissident priests who are leading countless souls into error.
They will have a lot to answer at the Last Judgement.

 

No one stated He was actually human. What do you see when you see the Father?

 

Brilliant infinite beauty , power, infinite justice , infinite mercy and undying love.
In addition infinite capacity to create new things.
It is a vast subject and not one that can be accommodated in a few lines.

The notion of maleness or femaleness is not present nor can it be.
Let me describe it best as a brooding presence .
Indeed Shakespeare put it eloquently when he said " There is a divinity that shapes our ends rough hew them how we may"

 

Beautiful Ed.

Dear Anthonys Truth,

Ed has explained beautifully the One, Holy and Catholic Truth regarding the Divinity and the Humanity of Jesus, the word made flesh!

It is inconcievable for humans to fully understand such a mystery yet in His act of incarnation, God reveals [over and over again] how Holy and Magnamious is His Love!


We read in the first paragraph of Saint Johns Gospel;

In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.

If one has a problem with the word or Logos analogy than we are very priveledged to have scripture where we can see that the word of God, Jesus the 2nd person of the Blessed Trinity, is also refered to as knowledge of the father.

John 14:6-10
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works


Matthew 11:27
"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.


Colossians 1:15-20
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.


Hebrews 1:3
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

Thomas Aquinus often referred to the eagerness of Jesus to teach, but he emphasized that unlike the words of other teachers, the words of Jesus could not be understood simply by hearing or reading them, but required their being heard through the Holy Spirit.

Aquinas wrote that the root and fountain of our knowledge of God is Christ, the Word of God, and that all knowledge of God flows towards the faithful, from the fountain that is Christ.

 

Just as an addendum to my earlier reply to you.

In using the pronoun He you automatically bestow humanity on the 1st Person of the Blessed Trinity.
Since the 1st Person is not a human being ,as you admit, why then describe that Person as a He?
It is incongruous to say the least.

 

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Was Jesus who is THE TRUTH being incongruous when He referred to His Father using the pronoun Him?

As josephite pointed out:

John 14:6-10
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works

Matthew 11:27
"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

 

When Jesus referred to his Father in heaven he was speaking in his capacity as a human being.
All humans including Jesus have a father.
In praying to his Father [God the First Person] Jesus used human language in a human manner.
It is perfectly congruous and perfectly normal.

Humans are indeed asked to pray the Our Father but only in the sense that the Fatherhood understood is not that of a human being but of a divine person.

 

I was just imitating Jesus when I said He.

 

You did fine job. Human words cannot fathom or explain God. There is a special language of the soul that non of us understand. And if we reach a higher state that language is silent and more incompressible.

Our small intellects try to explain God. Impossible. We can use words as a guide map to God. We can use words to explain relationship with God. We can choose words to describe God.

But are human intellect can never give perfect answers because we are not God.

The internal relationship is our only true knowledge of God.

May Gods Will be Done

 

Anthony Truth,

You seem to be already set in your ways. Your arguements or debate questions seem to be already decided. But I will play along with the discussion. I wish I could fast and pray before I wrote this...but lately the well is dry. Brother al is a sinking ship.

God is not a moment in time. God IS. There is no timeline. Our lives are a timeline but for God it is the eternal moment. To describe God as Father is a way to show respect and obedience. To show Mary as Human mother is to show respect and obedience. In nature mother and father hold a place of respect and obedience. Look towards nature and you will see this even in the wildest animals...they have a place for mother and father. The western culture has created a narrative of gender less society. It is only words and the so-called intellectuals that push the narrative. To say God the Father has no bearing. Is a way to destroy genders and families. We as Christians believe God is Father, It demonstrates we respect and obey God as Father. In the same way we respect and obey our Mother Mary. I don't see the issue.

The real issue to destroy God as Father is because Christianity is based on Family, respect and obedience. The godless society hates this. It creates a problem for the narrative if Christianity is based on male and female families. Not to mention it affirms there is only two genders.

God is Father and he deserves our respect and obedience...in this world. When we pass and judgement is proclaimed. We will either be sent with the faithful or sent with the godless. The godless will be those without God. The faithful will see God in all HIS glory. Then we will be transformed into Gods Children. One with God. The godless will spend the rest of eternity without God. A soul that was created that will never return to its creator who was Good. So, hell will be a sad, painful and evil place. Without God there is no goodness.

Hope that helps

Brother al

 

Great explanation, Brother Al

 

Beautiful Fallen Saint

 

Wow... wonderful way to put it in perspective.