Coming schism in the Church?

Picadillo, I think your question is probably rhetorical but I just feel moved to respond to it because I feel there are a lot of forum contributors who share your outlook. I believe very strongly that those who are responding in a similar way to what Pope Francis is doing are responding this way because they have a view of their faith that is mistaken. It is a view of their faith that I held for most of my life. There is absolutely no point in me trying to explain how and in what way that view should change. All I would say is, if anyone worries about what Pope Francis is doing, they should TRUST him and his office. He is our God given leader who, through the Holy Spirit, is trying to TEACH his flock. We can choose to follow him or choose to follow our own views. I have no doubt that Pope Francis will ultimately be seen as a greater Pope than even John Paul II.

 

How about following the last 200 popes teachings? Why is that now pharasitical?

 

I hope everything works out fine. But at the moment I'm kinda holding my breath and keeping my powder dry.

Do I trust Pope Francis? Well no I have to be honest I don't.

I wish I did but I don't. Maybe when I see his response to the Synod I'll go back to sleep, but I can't honestly say I trust him, no.

To be honest he makes me as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof. But he's the Pope and I'm not going to be taking pot shots at him any time soon. Like I say, I think he's something stewing in his cooking pot and I 'm waiting to see what it is.

I could write a lot things about my concerns, but , it doesn't seem right, at least at present , let's see what is in his cooking pot when he brings it out, all cooked for the world to see.

Till then, I'm holding my breath and praying....

 

Holding my breath too.....

 

We are all nervous but the virtue of prudence in following the Vicar of Christ should outweigh those fears

 

I hope it is prudence that keeps me silent, when I could have many, many, many things to write.

But I will write this as a general observation.

I pray all the time, the prayer without ceasing. It is as though myslef and The Dear Lord were in a permanet embrace, which in fact we are. The pray that is Eternal and never ends.

So I know about God's love and His huge mercy to me a great sinner.

But in my journey of prayer I have discovered something I never thought to confrnont and that is the real presnece of evil. Evil as a Proud Spirit who fell from highest heavens to deepest hell, evil in the Hearts of men. Fr God has shown me and taught me to confront and face the evil in my own heart.

I great great evil is at work in the heart of Rome. I sense itand it is the work of Lucifer ,something he has prepared for many many years.

Just as there is Mercy so there is Justice. Too just as there is a Mercy that is false and evil and hides itslef under the name of good. So also there is a Justice that is wicked and a pretense.

Not everone who says, 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Nor will everyone who cry's, 'Mercy, mercy'.

I ams orry if this makes me sound like a judgmental Phairsee who is behind the times , but there you are.

I smell a Great, a very Great Evil afoot in the Church.

 

I think for me the best thing is to be small, keep my head down, trod the path before me as it has been laid down since the beginning. I just pray for the Pope and the leaders of the church in Ireland every day. It's upsetting to analyse everything that's being said. I have to believe the Lord is in charge.

 

I'm waiting to see the final response to the synod too.
I share the concerns of others here too about feeling uncomfortable and scared at where the church is heading.
I'm also moved at the restraint, loyalty and respect by all here for the Pope and the Church at this time.

 

Padraig

I am learning from you and appreciate your gifts. I have great brotherly affection for you and all on the forum

The greatest weapons that we have against evil are humility and prayer. His love and mercy are so great and I am a small poor sinner but I know that he loves me. That suffices.

I do agree that evil is growing in Rome and has been for decades but God will cleanse it. The office of the papacy does not depend on the personal holiness of a pope, it is a gift from God to safeguard the truth in his Church.

I also don't pretend to know what will happen. No one knows the future, even if it comes from an alleged private revelation (I mean no disrespect to anyone). What I do know is that our dear Lord may appear to be sleeping now and the storm is raging but when he wakes up and calms the storm I hope that he does not say to me, "little faith".

 

This word "pharisee" is tossed around a lot. I think it's a good idea to re-visit the gospels, and look at what Jesus said to the pharisees, and why. He didn't chastise them for following the law. I think it was that they made the law a false god, elevated themselves above their brothers and sisters, twisted the law in their own favor and rejected the true God in their midst. I don't believe this describes you...

 

Padraig.....
what has changed for you? why this change of heart...I wonder because a short while back you were going to run people off the forum for speaking against our pope...have I missed something recently....I have been so busy caring for dying and sick elderly parents....what have I missed?

 

The activity around the Synod. But I am not really ready to go into overdrive about Pope Francis just yet. I am waiting for what he is going to do next. I am very,very uneasy about this.

I am not attacking the Pope, I am warning about a great danger that may confront us soon.

A couple of years ago I read about a lady who was attacked by her pet Labrador who savaged her arm so badly it had to be amputated. What shocks about this is that Labradors are dream pet family dogs. We would trust them with bunny rabbits and a hundred nwr born babies. They would no more bite you than a sheep would. But now and gain you do get a rogue, all the more unexpected because it so rarely happens.

It is quite a while since we had a bad Pope cross our path as a Church. For the last century or two most of them have been saints. I think like Labradors we have accustomed ourselves to expect this. Forgetting that in our not so distance past we have had indifferent, bad abd down right evil rogue Popes galore.

There is a real cahnce here that instead of a Labrador in Rome we have got ourselves a Rottweiller. There is an old saying from China, 'Treat a tiger like a tiger'.

We may have a Labrador in the Chair of Peter, or we may have a Rogue Tiger. I am holding my breath waiting to see what he does next.

Popes can be bad and downright wicked you know, or be saints, it's there choice, just like anyone else.

 

My two dogs sometimes growl when a srangr comes near the door. I don't discourage this as a little growl is them just doing the job God made them for.

I am doing my own job at minute and giving a little growl because I think there is a danger.

Believe me when I go into out and out attack mode you'll know Robert. At the moment I giving a gentle growl. He's the Pope , I respect this and so keep it down to a gentle growl. I wouldn't do this for anyone else, believe me.

 

Sometimes you know when you are walking in a strange forest you are confronted by two paths and are not sure which one to take. Often teh right one is the one that goes uphill and is muddy dark, and unattective looking, wheras the wrong one is broad well-paved and surrounded by roses.

The easiest path, the rose path for me to take would be the rose one. To shut up keep quiet and say things are fine. The path I have chosen is the narrow one. I know most people won't like ti, but its the one , I believe in my heart wil llead to home.

I don't think doing the right thing is about being in a popularity contest, most people who read my posts on this will disagree, some of them violently.

I hope this gives people pause. Why am I choosing ,at the espense of facing being unpopular and a barrage of criticism the narrow, dark and unwelcome uphill path? It would be so easy for me to remain silent.

 

Danger...not time to growl, time to pray. Its not about the past and the future has not come. Its about the moment...and at this moment Our Holy Father has been a living saint. Might he fall one day...maybe, but so might you.

May God Continue to Bless Our Holy Father.

 

137. In relation to the rich content of Humanae Vitae and the issues it treats, two principal points emerge which always need to be brought together. One element is the role of conscience as understood to be God's voice resounding in the human heart which is trained to listen. The other is an objective moral norm which does not permit considering the act of generation a reality to be decided arbitrarily, irrespective of the divine plan of human procreation. A person’s over-emphasizing the subjective aspect runs the risk of easily making selfish choices. An over-emphasis on the other results in seeing the moral norm as an insupportable burden and unresponsive to a person’s needs and resources. Combining the two, under the regular guidance of a competent spiritual guide, will help married people make choices which are humanly fulfilling and ones which conform to God’s will.

Can anyone understand this mumbo jumbo from the Instrumentum Laboris?

This is an excellent example of what I mean when I say that the truth is being replaced by ambiguity and political correctness.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/s...oc_20150623_instrumentum-xiv-assembly_en.html

 

I think only BH could make sense of that
And after explaining it to us, we would be more confused.
Such unenlightened souls the rest of us.

 

I think the best reply I can give to this is the wonderful sentence that Padraig includes at the end of all his postings - "At the end of the day we shall be judged on love. "

That is the truest single statement we can make about our life and what is to come.

 

These two love each other David. They face a happy judgement? View attachment 3661

 

Perhaps the quote should be "At the end of the day we shall be judged on TRUE love. " And of course 'True Love' is the love which God recognises as True.