I don't know anything about CG, accept that Padraig used to like her but now doesn't. For all I know she may have been and may still may be a true messenger with allot of confusion around her like Verne's message stated. I am not going to waste my time studying CG messages, as they have been going on to long to dissect them for errors. Verne's messages on the other hand are short in number and very profound in substance and coincided with Scripture, Fatima, Garabandal and Akita messages.
Fatima, Hi, I was speaking of the person not the spirit of the anti-Christ coming before the Era Peace. And to follow I shared GSWYL order of events to follow and underlined the sequence. I cannot figure out Fatima how there would be two sets of Catholics (Emmett, Desmond Birch, others at Unveiling the Apocalypse blog) with a different view of the end times and the Millennial reign. This other group should read the yet to be approved messages and accept the good from them. There's no way the anti-Christ himself comes after the Era of Peace. Read that sequence from GSWYL. When I would read some of Unveiling the Apocalypse writings and comments, they do not agree with the prophets. God would lay out what is ahead, we would simply know already.
Thanks! I am going with these guys. Father Iannuzzi is an expert on private revelation so much so he wrote a book proving what the current messages from Heaven state, a confirmation by using Scripture and the quotes of the Early Church Fathers. Take the good from the prophets. There have been many current prophets and they cannot be approved until what their messages say take place.
Fatima, Steve D, I understand what you're both saying here, but the Christina Gallagher message in Dagenais/Schefers does need some sober probing. I too am no CG specialist, but having looked a little at the pro and contra, from what I can see there is indeed a problem here. The key question is this: is it plausible that at the time of Verne Dagenais's message (2007), Jesus could have referred to CG as his messenger? The message appear strongly to criticize her apostolate but to exonerate CG herself. Is that credible? Or is there evidence in CG's messages themselves pre-dating 2007 suggesting that she had already gone off the rails, which of course is what her critics claim? If it can be demonstrated that by 2007 CG had already lost the plot, then the message about her to Verne D. cannot be considered reliable. That doesn't necessarily have to mean that all his messages are ipso facto false, of course, but it would signify that they would have to be read individually on a case by case basis.
Fatima, You are dear and more learned on private revelation than I am but that sentence is not right. The same problems with those at Unveiling the Apocalypse. The anti-Christ, the person comes before the Chastisement, shortly after the Warning he takes power. All this happens before the Era Peace, the 7th Day. GSWYL says the same. If I am wrong, I am way off and need help. Thanks!!
I shared this old message already but it is important to the discussion. We can't be so judgmental of the prophets just take the good from their messages. Maybe, both Christina G. and the Two Patricks really heard from God at one time. I remember wondering what happened to the Two Patricks and judging them. And presently, I do not read their current messages. Now the debate over Christina Gallagher. And the same for rejecting the yet to be approved messages from Heaven like they do at a certain blog. To their loss. All the prophets help us. ~ ~ ~ WORDS RECEIVED September 1, 2007 7:05 AM From the Lord Jesus By Lec This morning after the 6:00 am mass, I stayed behind in the church in front of the Blessed Sacrament and went on to complete my usual devotional prayers said every morning. After saying all my prayers, as I am wont to do everyday, I listened. I asked first God the Father if He wants me to write anything from Him and He said, None this time Son. Then I asked the Lord Jesus. The first and last time I heard from Him was way back in 1984. This year though, it has been the Father whom I have been hearing. He started giving me messages in full only this year although for the last 10 years starting 1997 after completion of the prayers to God the Father from the Visionary Barbara Rose Centilli, the Father as He promised in the message , began His personal manifestation thru the spoken word but only in cryptic terms, meaning no complete sentences. Since the reception from Jesus is the first this year and for assurance that it’s not the enemy of the soul that speaks, I recited the exorcism prayer through St. Michael, the Archangel, then the prayers through St. Benedict, another exorcism prayer saying, IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, THROUGH THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY, ST. BENEDICT, PLEASE EXORCISE ME OF ANY EVIL SPIRIT POSSESSION, OPPRESSION AND INFLUENCE. Beforehand, I have already recited the Apostle’s Creed, the Lord’s Prayer and An Act of Contrition. Then I invoked the covering of the Most Precious Blood saying “LORD JESUS, PLEASE COVER ME WITH YOUR MOST PRECIOUS BLOOD AND PLEASE PROTECT ME FROM THE ATTACKS OF THE EVIL ONE. By the way,I have already received communion that hour and since I believe that the Lord in the spirit is still with us within 15 minutes after reception of the Holy Host, I endeavored to hear from Him but making sure it’s really Him. Then finally I spoke to the Lord saying, LORD JESUS THROUGH THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY, YOUR SERVANT LISTENS. I AM READY LORD. Then in the stillness of my heart , I began hearing thus: I will not address you as Son for that is how my Father calls you but let me refer to you instead as “BROTHER”. Brother, I know you can’t ever forget the first time in your life when you heard me spoke to you and that was many years ago yet that first occasion has left quite a remarkable imprint in your heart that since then through this very day has been serving to nourish the faith that was born in your heart through that short encounter with Me. Yes Brother, it was unmistakably Me whom you heard. Just a matter of importance I wish to impart through you,, kindly take note. Brother, many people have been excitedly expecting my Soon return to transform life on earth into a glorious Paradise as I say that truly it is the Father’s plan as revealed through the Prophets. But why there seems to be a delay in the actualization of the Father’s plan for humanity, so many are wondering? Brother, let not your heart worry a bit about the future near and far for the Father has included in His plan the just provisions for those whose hearts were given to do His will manifested in His written word as well as on what is naturally imparted in people’s hearts. His actions are dependent on people’s reactions to His call, hence because of His abounding mercy and compassion, as He is the full essence of Love,, timelines in the unfolding of what is prophetically written do tend to change. It is pathetic when prophesied events given through consecrated souls do not happen as thus declared and the messengers vilified for doing what their heart s feel as our injunction, namely, to let people know in advance so that they can prepare. I grieve for these messengers when they suffer out of obedience to their calling. Please tell people not to be so hard on God’s messengers if the events, especially the dire events do not happen as thus stated, for as I have told you earlier, God the Father’s heart is easily moved by even the faint calls for mercy. He is not in a hurry to render judgment. Certainly, He derives no pleasure in that. But what is a little delay compared to eternity, maybe just like a grain of sand on the seashore or a drop of rain in a raging thunderstorm. I hope people will understand why there is a delay in the fulfillment of prophetic events especially for those presaging the coming of the new Heaven and earth. But remember also that the glorious era is to be preceded by the days of woe and that is an essential consideration why there is a delay. As Prophesied, a great multitude will perish during those times and will find themselves before us to render an accounting of how they lived their lives. The Father’s heart knows very well how many are prepared for their judgment and how many are not, how many will enter into the Father’s House and how many will not make it. I wish not to burden your heart anymore on this matter but simply share what you have to help people in their journey . You will not be asked to do beyond what your time, resources and availability can contribute to heaven’s efforts at giving enlightenment to those whose hearts will open to the possibility of making it to my Father’s kingdom. Since no one on earth can exactly predict when I come, it is incumbent on people to simply shift their focus on preparing their soul for eventual entry into eternity by taking each day that comes as the day of my coming, hence, no surprise will ever grip their hearts in an adverse manner. You know how it is to be prepared for much has been given on this since eons ago. Prepare, tell them,, not only because of my prophesied coming could unexpectedly happen and catch people unaware, but there is no denying the fact that a person’s eventual meeting me in death could precede even earlier what is written, hence, the scripture saying ‘ NOBODY KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR… which could be death or my coming. Your Brother Jesus
I am no expert on the anti-Christ, however I know a few things from what scripture and saints that have spoken on this. I agree with Verne's messages and that of our previous several popes that 'we are living the period of the 12th chapter of Revelations' now'. It also seems clear that we will soon be entering the 13th and 14th chapters of Revelations from Verne's messages. His messages state "I will allow another world war and I will allow the appearance of the Man of Sin in your generation. It will take place with a literal one world government and my people grazed and marked by the authorities. There will be one man who will lead this masonic communistic government as the anti-Christ. Hitler, Stalin and Mao have been these types" (ie. spirit of the anti-Christ). "My spirit with the brightness of my coming, will destroy this spirit of the anti-Christ with his followers and bring about the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary". Our Lord's 'brightness' is his Eucharistic reign and to co-inside with the brief era of peace, prior to the return of man being corrupted again and the various 10 kingdoms established on earth (including one of the anti-Christ). We know from both scripture (book of Daniel and Revelations) that the 10 horns shall spring from the beast. St. Irenaeus, (Heresies, Book V, Chapter XXX n.2) "after the 10 kings are reigning, and beginning to set their affairs in order, and advance their kingdom, let them learn to acknowledge that he who shall come claiming the kingdom for himself..." The person of the anti-Christ will not come until the 10 kingdoms/10 kings (the 10 horns of the apocalypse) is well established in he world. Daniel 11: 6-20 speaks of this. This has not begun. One could argue that the first kingdom or king could well be the spirit of the anti-Christ in the 13th and 14th chapter of Revelations and that this is the 'horn' that was mortally wounded by the Blessed Mother in Rev. 13:3 in our time because of her Triumph. In any case the person of the anti-Christ is not in our time currently, but his spirit is and will be throughout the 10 kingdoms/kings who will do battle with each other and finally with the anti-Christ himself. This will take a while to set up and this period as we know from scripture and saints is right before the physical appearance of Jesus and the end of the world.
Jackie, the key here seems to be understanding the difference between the spirit of the anti-Christ and the literal anti-Christ person. Verne's messages does a good job of defining the differences, which scripture attests to as well. Verne 9/26/07: "A further warning, Apocalypse 19:20 tells the fate of the false prophet and the antichrist. These two are cast alive into the pool of fire burning with brimstone. Do not accuse anyone of being the false prophet or the antichrist because their fate is sealed. Satan will not reveal their identity until allowed by Almighty God. My Holy Spirit will identify these men at the proper time, not your time. For when you falsely accuse another soul of being either the false prophet or the antichrist, you offend your God. All those falsely accused are souls that need my salvation. Pray for their salvation. It is your fear and lack of trust in me, which causes you to falsely accuse someone". Verne's messages make real clear that many evil world leaders, or those in power, are spirits of the anti-Christ. Whereas the anti-Christ in the flesh is finally defeated much later: Revelations 19: 19-20 "and I saw the Beast (the anti-Christ) and the kings (10 kings and kingdoms) of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who sits upon the horse and against his armies" 20) And the Beast (the anti-Christ) was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulphur". (21) "And the rest were slain by the sword of him who sits upon the horse, the sword that issues from his mouth". Rev. 20 vs. 1 "Then I saw and angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain. 2) And he seized the dragon (Satan), that ancient serpent , who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years". Herein the Devil remains for 1000 years before he is let go prior to the end of the world and the final judgment of God.
Daniel 7 3 from which emerged four immense beasts, each different from the others. 4 The first was like a lion, but with eagle's wings. While I watched, the wings were plucked; it was raised from the ground to stand on two feet like a man, and given a human mind. 5 The second was like a bear; it was raised up on one side, and among the teeth in its mouth were three tusks. It was given the order, "Up, devour much flesh." 6 After this I looked and saw another beast, like a leopard; on its back were four wings like those of a bird, and it had four heads. To this beast dominion was given. 7 After this, in the visions of the night I saw the fourth beast, different from all the others, terrifying, horrible, and of extraordinary strength; it had great iron teeth with which it devoured and crushed, and what was left it trampled with its feet. 8 I was considering the ten horns it had, when suddenly another, a little horn, sprang out of their midst, and three of the previous horns were torn away to make room for it. This horn had eyes like a man, and a mouth that spoke arrogantly. Notice the 4th Beast had 10 horns. St. Irenaeus was referencing the book of Daniel when he taught on the 4th kingdom, which had 10 kings. The first kingdom has not arrived yet, so we have along ways before the literal anti-Christ in person and his era. In the meantime his spirit lives on from the time of Christ to the present and at least till the Triumph of Mary's Immaculate Heart and era of peace. I think after man becomes corrupt again, in the later period of the era of peace, the 10 kingdoms/kings will be established from whence forth the literal anti-Christ comes fourth from.
We're speaking of the man, the anti-Christ not the spirit of anti-Christ. Fatima, I love you for explaining why you think it is later, after the Millennium, the Era of Peace that the anti-Christ -the person- appears. You help me understand why at Unveiling the Apocalypse blog, some have the same belief. I don't see their discussion, it is so confusing because the prophets speak of now in this time, we are close, not in another of God's Days. No one should take the chip, obvious (it is in evil Obamacare) and never look at the anti-Christ. Read these quotes from GSWYL. This is all "soon" as Heaven says in our time. ~ ~ ~ See the quotes below....The anti-Christ is alive "dining" with world leaders. The anti-Christ and the False Prophet are a part of the "abomination of desolation", proclaiming the Eucharist is not true, this happens during the Great Tribulation not later. The world is "ripe" for the appearance of the man of sin. Isn't the man of sin, the anti-Christ? The last quote, 10/17/07, the final sentence, Our Lord is going to cast the anti-Christ and his evil followers into hell, then comes the renewal of the earth and God's new time, the 7th Day, the Era of Peace, the Millennium (figurative, no one knows how long). GOD SPEAKS WILL YOU LISTEN 7/14/07 "Beware the fall of your leaders is being orchestrated by the forces of the antichrist, even as he has dined with your leaders." 9/17/07 As the antichrist shows his power, those souls who are not humble will fall into his trap. He will proclaim doctrines and truths, which will have an appearance of godliness, but denying the power thereof. II Timothy 3:5. Now the Spirit manifestly saith that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error and doctrines of devils." 10/10/07 "Your world is ripe for the appearance of the Man of Sin. This is the third time this has been repeated by your Father through this messenger in several weeks.Your rejection of my commandments and the lukewarmness of my church is bringing forth the manifestation of the antichrist. Again, I will allow this to happen as a chastisement for your sins and lack of repentance." 10/17/07 "To repeat myself once again: Prepare my people for persecution and to be marked and grazed by the followers of the antichrist. This will happen as my holy word prophesies. Then, I will come with the brightness of my coming through the power of the Holy Spirit and cast the antichrist and his followers into hell. My world will then be renewed and an era pf peace given to mankind."
[quote 10/17/07 "To repeat myself once again: Prepare my people for persecution and to be marked and grazed by the followers of the antichrist. This will happen as my holy word prophesies. Then, I will come with the brightness of my coming through the power of the Holy Spirit and cast the antichrist and his followers into hell. My world will then be renewed and an era pf peace given to mankind."[/quote] I found this statement puzzling, and it appears several times: "marked and grazed". Anybody have any ideas what this means?
Jackie, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this point. If you read carefully the various examples that Verne gives in his scripture quotations and his messages from God, men have bleived the time and the person of the anti-Christ have been around since the birth of Jesus. Who is the anti-Christ? "Anyone who denies thay Jesus is the Chirst". Read carefull in Verne's message below, because it mentions both the "Man of Sin" and one man who will lead this masonic communistic government as "the anti-Christ" and then names 3 past leaders (Mao, Hitler, Staling) who were "these types", meaning they were anti-Christs. Now look at the last sentence carefully as it say's, "My Spirit" with the brightness coming (note it is not in his flesh), will destroy the "spirit of the anti-Christ with his followers" and "bring about the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary". Destroy whom? THE SPIRIT OF THE ANTI-CHRIST (not the literal person or the flesh of the Anti-Christ). It could well be that it is another person or leader in the SPIRIT of the anti-Christ that brings about the " marked and gazed" of our time before the Triumph. the anti-Christ and the spirit of the anti-Christ are used synonomous throughour scripture and propchecy. That is why we need to read scripture more deeply to define the actual timing and the events that lead to the literal person of the anti-Christ. "I will allow another world war and I will allow the appearance of the Man of Sin in your generation. It will take place with a literal one world government and my people grazed and marked by the authorities. There will be one man who will lead this masonic communistic government as the anti-Christ. Hitler, Stalin and Mao have been these types". "My spirit with the brightness of my coming, will destroy this spirit of the anti-Christ with his followers and bring about the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary".
Fatima, The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary brings the New Era, the Millennium and the end to evil, this coming beautiful period of God's plan. You go back to the "spirit of the anti-Christ" and will not address the quotes from GSWYL I posted that say the anti-Christ, the person is here in our time. And how clear is this and you don't comment. 10/17/07 "To repeat myself once again: Prepare my people for persecution and to be marked and grazed by the followers of the antichrist. This will happen as my holy word prophesies. Then, I will come with the brightness of my coming through the power of the Holy Spirit and cast the antichrist and his followers into hell. My world will then be renewed and an era pf peace given to mankind." We will just disagree but can we be friends? I love your writings. The folks at Unveiling the Apocalypse will go on believing their different sequence of events, drives me nuts.
I just noticed your words, I underlined them. You're so sweet. Changing to "it could well be." Yes! What prophecy has been saying for the last years to prepare us. The anti-Christ is not coming AFTER the Era of Peace. He is here. Someone point this out to Unveiling the Apocalypse. Okay, I have, others too. Do I hear a yes from anyone else?
Jackie, Here is where we agree: The Tiumph of Mary's Immaculate Heart will bring an era of peace (this will take place after the Consecration of Russia). How long it will last we do not know. It could be the 25 years that Our Lady of LaSallette spoke of or it could be longer. GSWLS said only God knows. Here is where we do not agree: 1) This period will not be the 1000 years (in symbolic time) of peace that scripture speaks of. That comes after the defeat of the 10 Kings/kingdoms and the literal flesh and blood of the anti-Christ is thrown into sulfur, as my past quotes on scripture attest to. 2) The anti-Christ that will be thrown into hell with his followers at the time of the Triumph is another anti-Christ "in the spirit like Stalin, Hitler and Mao" as the GSWLS reads. I have not found where you say " the anti-Christ, the person, is here in our time". Unless I am mistaken, you have added the word person to help form your arguement. Again, as GSWYL spoke of on pages 68 & 69 extensively on the 'spirit of the anti-Chirst'. St. John's writtings used the title "the anti-Christ" many times, in the context of "the spirit of the anti-Christ. "The anti-Christ" and "the spirit of the anti-Christ" are used synonomous throughout scirpture , which is where the confusion comes in. That is why one has to dig deeper into scripture, as I have pointed out, to clearly see that the literal anti-Christ (in body) comes closer to the time of the literal (in body) return of Christ at the end of the world. One last point. Since we are using Verne's messages to help establish a time frame of the anti-Christ and the era we are now in, I quote him on page 70: "My son, a day is soon coming when Apocalypse chapters 13 and 14 will be fulfilled by the spirit of the anti-Christ manifesting himself through a particular person called the antichrist. Do not concern yourself with this day". You see people will call the person in our time the antichrist, but he clearly teaches that it will be fulfilled by the "spirit of the anti-Christ". As further clarified we are now in the 12th chapter of the Book of Revelations and are told not to concern ourselves with the 13th and 14th chapters.
Fatima, No one knows the literal period of time for the Era of Peace, I agree. Our disagreeing is major, over when the anti-Christ, the person comes along. He (the anti-Christ in body) isn't coming "at the end of the world." He comes to power during the Great Tribulation. You keep going back to the one GSWYL quote about the "spirit of the anti-Christ" and will not address these words. God speaks of the person (in body) of the anti-Christ. Third time I am posting it. I did not add the word "person." Our Lord does. He says, READ BELOW, "the antichrist and his followers." Then the world is renewed and the Era of Peace. 10/17/07 "To repeat myself once again: Prepare my people for persecution and to be marked and grazed by the followers of the antichrist. This will happen as my holy word prophesies. Then, I will come with the brightness of my coming through the power of the Holy Spirit and cast the antichrist and his followers into hell. My world will then be renewed and an era pf peace given to mankind." I'll look for other quotes to share from the prophets.
Fatima, Looking for a quote from the messages, I found this, maybe, we are both correct! I haven't read this particular book by Father Iannuzzi, I need to read it. "He (Father Iannuzzi) is also the author of “Antichrist and the End Times” 2005. He writes, as does Pope Benedict XVI that there are many Antichrists, most notably the Antichrist before the Era of Peace and the Antichrist after the Era of Peace. P.26, “the appearance of Antichrist before the Era of Peace becomes a matter of tradition. As we have seen, the early Church presents two incarnations of “the spirit of Antichrist” as a biblical representation respectively traceable to the 19th and 20th chapters of the Book of Revelation. Because it is in Scripture and in the writings of the early Church, it is part and parcel of the Church's early Traditions.” In private revelation for our time, the anti-Christ will be appearing before the Era of Peace. Electronically, we can't look at the anti-Christ's image. Message to Pastor Enoc December 23, 2013 (a translation) St. Michael the Archangel ...Brethren, the evil being incarnate, the prince of this world will soon be revealed to the nations, under no reason fall to temptation to see him, because you well know it is the old serpent looking to seduce and lure you with the power of his gaze and then make you lost. God's people beware to look or listen to the being of iniquity! Remember that curiosity is not of God and it has had many ruined; abstain from falling into the subtle traps used by the prince of this world to rob your soul. When the antichrist announces his appearance, you must disconnect all devices where it can be viewed or his voice filtered, forget not the advice given my Father and our Lady and Queen, to seal with the blood of the Lamb of God all these communication devices of your world, remember that the serpent is cunning and has all the means for more souls to be lost. Start being accustomed to silence in your homes, let these media remain off for the longest time possible for when the Antichrist comes, you sons of God, the seed of my Father, are ready... http://www.mensajesdelbuenpastorenoc.org/english.html
Hi, My name is Verne dagenais. I am new to this forum. I just found put about it several days ago. I was a friend of Cletus scheffers and can try to answer any questions you may have about his book God speaks will you listen. God bless you.
