Civil War in the Ukraine?

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by padraig, Jan 20, 2014.

  1. Andy3

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  2. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    My thoughts on this potential/inevitable conflict.

    The same errors that brought us communism/Russian revolution are at work here. It is the same "force" that brought us the French revolution. The same "force" that brought us world war 1 and world war 2. It is the same "force" that has brought chaos in the middle east at present (Syria,Egypt). The same "force" that is persecuting Christians worldwide. It is the same "force" (secular humanism/atheistic communism, the same thing) that has taken over the former Christian West (Europe and the US). It is the same "force" that has taken over Ukraine at the present. Please, I am not talking about the millions of catholics in the Ukraine that just want freedom.

    The Russian people know as well as anyone, their churches got sacked and millions of Orthhodox Chritians also died at the hands of this same "force" during the communist revolution (the same force). The current regime knows and understands what this "force" is. Yes, Putin was head of the KGB and they certainly are not perfect just like King David of Israel certainly was not perfect. That being said, if the pope would just consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary they will convert!

    Yes, this conflict IS inevitable because God will use Russia to stop this "force" from establishing a one-world government or as George H. Bush put it, the new world order. The "salt has lost its taste" and the time has come for it to be thrown out.
    God have mercy, pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet.
     
  3. Eamonn

    Eamonn Guest

    ARE THE FATIMA PROPHECIES ABOUT RUSSIA
    HAPPENING NOW
    Sister Lucia had already given an indication for interpreting the third part of the “secret” in a letter to the Holy Father, dated 12 May 1982:

    “The third part of the secret refers to Our Lady's words: ‘If not [Russia] will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated' (13-VII-1917).
    The third part of the secret is a symbolic revelation, referring to this part of the Message, conditioned by whether we accept or not what the Message itself asks of us: ‘If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, etc.'.
    “This is the third part of the Message of Our Lady, which still remains secret until 1960. Tell them, Father, that the Blessed Virgin said repeatedly – to my cousins Francisco and Jacinta as well as to me – that many nations would disappear from the face of the earth, that Russia would be the instrument of chastisement from Heaven for the whole world if the conversion of that poor Nation is not obtained beforehand. …”

    Will We End
    Like the King of France?

    We were told by Our Lord at Rianjo, “Make it known to My ministers, given they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, like him (the King of France) they will fall into misfortune.”

    The “King of France” refers to the kings from 1689 to 1789. On the 17th of June 1689, the Sacred Heart commanded the King of France to consecrate his country to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. But the kings of France followed the advice of their confessors — they happened to be Jesuits also — and did not obey

    POPE JOHN PAUL 11 AND COMMUNISM

    The Holy Father was asked, "What about the Third Secret of Fatima? Should it not have already been published by 1960?"

    Pope John Paul II replied: "Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves.

    "On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired."
     
  4. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

    Picadillo, are you of the mindset that Putin, his KGB and his Russian army are the 'good guys' in this conflict?
     
  5. Andy3

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    Fatima. I don't want to speak for Picadollo but i think I understand what he means. They aren't the good guys just like the western world is not the good guys. Russia and Putin is what God will use to let the system fall so to speak. The world will be punished by communism and Russia for not doing what was asked. Materialism and love of world and self was spread by the ideas of communism but sadly has grown into something far worse in our part of the world. We Americans as a whole want to still be the good guys but that has not been the case in global affairs for quite some time. We hide behind the ideals of democracy and freedom when In reality we go into places like Iraq and Afghanistan under the disguise of freedom when really we want control of what is under their ground. God is pulling the curtain back now and revealing the puppet masters and will use Russia at first to start this. Putin is no more a good guy as judas was. Putin like judas is being used by God to start something much greater. At the world political stage there are no good guys or bad guys. They are all just puppets on a string and we know the evil force who is pulling those strings by Gods will. The good guys are the faithful devouted peoples of the world who are praying behind the scenes for mercy and to cut the time and horror short. In the end we know that Russia converts and will be even a far greater conversion than the US. So I guess Russia is the good guys in a way in the end once we get passed them anihalating peoples and nations as God wills it.
     
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  6. picadillo

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    Excellent Andy. My main point is , like Andy says, the US/West is no longer the "good guy" as its "salt" has lost its taste, ie. gay marriage, abortion on demand, euthanasia, all the wars we start, enslavement of entire countries through debt, etc. It isn't called the great apostasy for nothing! Russia will be the instrument God uses to punish the world that has forgotten Him (the great apostasy).
     
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  7. Fatima

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    I did not understand your last paragraph.... "Yes, this conflict IS inevitable because God will use Russia to stop this "force" from establishing a one-world government or as George H. Bush put it, the new world order. The "salt has lost its taste" and the time has come for it to be thrown out". Was not sure what you meant by the "force". Last time I heard that phrase was in the Star Wars movies. The Bush's are not the only leaders to use the term "new world order", Obama has used it repeatedly, as well as many other world leaders.
     
  8. picadillo

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    I believe there is not much of a difference between McCain, Bush's, Clinton's, and Obama. Basically you are correct, they all are controlled by this "force."
     
  9. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

    Mark Mallett's newest blog is one of his best. In it, he breaks out the recent discussions on this thread about the 'new world order' and what is behind it all. Here is but a small excerpt if it...
    The architects of the New World Order intend to satiate this religious desire in man with a utopian world more in harmony with nature, the cosmos, and “the christ” within (see The Coming Counterfeit). A “world religion” uniting all faiths and creeds (that will accept anything and believe nothing) is one of the stated goals of the secret societies behind a Global Revolution. From the Vatican’s website: [the] New Age shares with a number of internationally influential groups, the goal of superseding or transcending particular religions in order to create space for a universal religion which could unite humanity… The New Age which is dawning will be peopled by perfect, androgynous beings who are totally in command of the cosmic laws of nature. In this scenario, Christianity has to be eliminated and give way to a global religion and a new world order. Jesus Christ, The Bearer of the Water of Life, n. 2.5 , Pontifical Councils for Culture and Inter-religious Dialogue

    The whole blog can be read here: http://www.markmallett.com/blog/global-revolution/#more-4507
     
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  10. picadillo

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    Thanks for Mark's blog. It is timely and I am speaking also of these "forces" at work. It is not the freedom-loving people of Ukraine or even the US who are to blame. It is this "force" that manipulates and orchestrates events that is driving us into revolutions/new world order.
     
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  11. Mario

    Mario Powers

    The situation of Russia troops entering Crimea is eerily familiar to Germany's push into the Rhineland in 1936. Britain and France backed off registering only feeble protests. I am not advocating war, but I think that President Obama's guarded response will be viewed as a sign of weakness. Only the USA is strong enough to stand up to Russia in the European arena. I think Putin will continue to probe and push to see what prize Russia can come away with. This will encourage their eventual invasion near the time of the Warning.

    Pray, pray, pray!

    Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
     
  12. Mac

    Mac Guest

    Mario said... but I think that President Obama's guarded response will be viewed as a sign of weakness.


    This is how many view Putin....[​IMG] compared to Obama.
     
  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It is hard to read the secrets of men's hearts and I do not wish to be uncharitable to Vladimir Putin. I t is, of course quite possibly a Russian Patriot acting for what he genuinely believes to be the good of the Russian peoples.

    However the scenario that Terry puts forward above has occurred to me. I believe one Marian Message fairly recently in a message described some world leaders as , 'Demons in human form'. Hitler and Stalin were of course good examples of this.

    Of course prior to the invasion of Czecheslovakia there were a number of actions by German agents provacteurs including a false attack on a German Border post by German Special Forces. The actual burning down of the Reichstag was by the Germans themselves.

    Now during the rioting in Kiev there were repeated reports that Russian agents were turning things violent, also the riot police , the Berkot also appear to have going over to the Russians en masse.

    It just appears to appear that everything was directed in such a way as to give Putin what he wanted an excuse to take over Crimea. However, it is possible that like Hitler this is part of a much larger plan to restore Russian hegemony in Eastern Europe and perhaps even to take over Western Europe.

    The prophesy of Blessed Sister Aiellio, speaks of Russia having a , 'Secret Army' in the USA. I was wondering what this could mean. What is the Russians were prepared to employ Spetnez forces in such a way as to distract America during a European attack. By for instance introducing computer virus'.

    I know it sound far fetched. But the evil of Adolph Hitler seemed far fetched in the 1930's and very many people thought him to be a great leader.

    If he was an evil person it would explain much. Who knows? I wish Padre Pio were alive to ask his opinion.

    My own impression here, though is that we are dealing with a very,very great evil indeed.

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  14. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Padraig,
    Excellent food for thought. How does all this fit into your visions/dreams?
     
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  15. Torrentum

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  16. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    Yes, I read the entire article because I receive them automatically from Mark Mallet in my email box. I think Mark Mallet is very correct. You posted the link already but I think this paragraph explains it very well (for those who have no time to read everything):

    ON THE BRINK?

    How can we fail to understand the times we live in, unfolding before our very eyes on live internet streams and 24 hour cable news?
    [​IMG]
    It is not just the protests in Asia, the chaos in Greece, the food riots in Albania or the unrest in Europe, but also, if not especially, the rising tide of anger in the United States. One almost gets the impression at times that “someone” or some plan ispurposely driving the populace to the brink of revolution. Whether it’s billion dollar bailouts to Wall Street, million dollar payouts to CEO’s, driving the national debt to treacherous levels, the endless printing of money, or the growing infringement on personal rights in the name of “national security,” the anger and anxiety within the country is palpable. As a grassroots movement called “The Tea Party” grows6, unemployment remains high, food prices rise, and gun sales reach record levels, the recipe for revolution is already brewing.
    [​IMG]
    Behind it all, again, seems to be the pervasive and powerful figures hidden from the scene who continue to meet in secret societies such as the Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, Rosicrucians etc.:

    Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it. —President Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom, Ch. 1

    Brothers and sisters, what I have written here is difficult to absorb. It is the expanse of thousands of years of history appearing to culminate in our times: the ancient confrontation between the Woman and the Dragon of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12…

    We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through… We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel and the anti-Gospel. —Cardinal Karol Wojtyla (JOHN PAUL II), at the Eucharistic Congress, Philadelphia, PA; August 13, 1976

    The convulsions in nature… the growing apostasy… the words of the Holy Fathers… the apparitions of Our Lady… how can the signs be any clearer? And yet, how much longer will these revolutions and labor pains carry on? Years? Decades? We do not know, nor does it matter.
    [​IMG]
    What is essential is that we respond to Heaven’s requests being revealed to us through both the Woman-Mary and the Woman-Church. In hisEncyclical Letter on Atheistic Communism, Pope Pius XI summarized the imperative before each and every conscientious Christian—one we can no longer ignore:

    When the Apostles asked the Savior why they had been unable to drive the evil spirit from a demoniac, Our Lord answered: “This kind is not cast out but by prayer and fasting.” So, too, the evil which today torments humanity can be conquered only by a world-wide crusade of prayer and penance. We ask especially the Contemplative Orders, men and women, to redouble their prayers and sacrifices to obtain from heaven efficacious aid for the Church in the present struggle. Let them implore also the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Virgin who, having crushed the head of the serpent of old, remains the sure protectress and invincible “Help of Christians.” —POPE PIUS XI, Encyclical Letter on Atheistic Communism, March 19th, 1937
     
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  17. davidtlig

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    Yes, Mark's article is again very good. For me, the important thing to note is that the speculations concern what will happen AFTER the Warning. I really cannot see the various prophecies about a worldwide deception and an acceptance of a false Christianity until after the Warning. But after, yes, the world will be looking for the spiritual and an explanation of the Warning and many will 'buy' the devil's interpretations.
     
  18. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

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  19. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    So David, do you think that the Warning might be VERY NEAR now ? Just answer: YES ! :)
     
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  20. Elisa

    Elisa Powers

    Or perhaps the situation has to become worse.....
     

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