Charlie Johnston.

This 'Charlie Johnson' thread has become quite a thread with many different topics as well as many different accusations! Much like the forum as a whole I think! I didn't know much about Charlie until all the accusations started but have learned a fair bit since investigating. He has recently reprinted a two year old message he received and as I feel its content is absolutely sound, I thought I would copy it here:

From the Father
Posted on September 1, 2014 by charliej373


(I am feeling a bit under the weather today. But it has been on my mind to reprint this message from the Father I received on July 5, 2013. It speaks for itself.)

Right around the turn of the millennium, my heavenly visitors often began speaking to me without the use of language at all. It is breathtaking when they do, much quicker and purer and more complete – but it is very intense. Thick…I might say. Until today (July 5, 2013), they have continued to use language for the most important messages I am to convey. But now, I am instructed to give you a message from the Father, specifically for America but also for the whole world, that was given me without the use of language. In short, I am expected to translate.

When they speak to me in this way, I often ponder for days to understand in my way what was given in an instant to me. When I have tried to explain to someone – usually one of my priests – what was said, the translation invariably comes out impoverished. I can’t help that. Language, itself, is necessary to us in this world but is an impoverished form of communication – and I am just a little fellow, trying to get it right but not all that capable. There is always the temptation to add something I think important or to omit something that embarrasses or troubles me. When I avoid these temptations, it still comes out impoverished; a very poor, tarnished copy of the pure original message. But it pleases the Lord that I both convey as truly as I can what I am told and take full responsibility for the telling of it, including the warts that crop up in my little effort. So, I write this in obedience – and remind you that, despite the quotation marks, it is a feeble translation:

Thus says the Father:

“My children, I have not withdrawn the hand of My mercy from you, despite the depth and breadth of your rebellion against Me. I gave you a land, a nation formed in My image, to be a light to the nations. For all your foolishness, you began well. Like My Church, it was a nation to which anyone who accepted the principles it espoused could belong fully, not as a guest or a stranger, but as an heir. In your struggling way you lived the principles of fruitfulness, dignity, charity, fortitude and courage. You even lived a great civil war to extend those virtues to all My children, recognizing both your reliance on Me and that there are no children of a lesser god. And so I blessed you, that My light might shine through you with brilliant clarity as a sign of hope for all the nations for what I intend for My children.

“But with prosperity and pre-eminence, your love grew cold. You say, ‘Look what we have wrought,’ rather than ‘Look what God has wrought.’ So for the last few decades, I have restrained My hand of mercy that you might, indeed, see what you have wrought. Your hearts have only grown harder and more defiant. Now I stay My hand for a time that you may know the bitter fruit of the evil harvest you have sown. It is only for a short season, but the terror and despair will be like none you have ever known before.

“I send to you My most favored daughter, Mary, the woman cloaked with the sun, to guide and defend you during the terrible pains of birth of the new world I shall give you once more. She spends her entire heaven praying on your behalf, acting as true mother to all of you as she is to the Incarnation of My Divine and Holy Son, yet many of you who call on Me treat her with loathing and contempt. I will no longer hear you if you do not honor My most favored daughter in your heart. Ask her to pray to me for you and I will forgive you.

“Now, even the leaders of your rebellion against Me are shaken – not so much as to acknowledge Me, but enough to wonder if their plans are perhaps not as elegant and well-crafted as they thought. This is the beginning of wisdom for those who will accept it. You must know that I love each of you with a true Father’s heart. Which of you, having a rebellious, self-destructive child, wishes for your child’s destruction? You wish, with passionate sorrow, for their reclamation because you love your child. Your love for your child is merely a pale reflection of My love for you. Remember, then, the tale of the prodigal son and welcome those who return with fullness, gratitude and celebration rather than resentment. I rejoice when any of My children are restored to the life I intend for them. So shall you.

“Know that you will be held to account for every soul that you could have given effective witness to but did not because of anger, resentment or fear. Know also that you will be held to account for every servant of the evil one that you did not defend My people against out of a false sense of compassion or indulgence. I know this is impossible to you. You are well told to acknowledge Me in all things, then take the next right step and be a sign of hope to those around you. If you do that, I will draw fruit even from your errors and you may walk in humble confidence of My mercy.

“Do not think that any of you can exempt yourself from the bitter fruit of the harvest you have sown. Do you pride yourself on your intellect? It is not even a grain of sand in the ocean of My universe. Your wealth? Mere paper and paste that is passing away. Your position? Not as substantial as a puff of smoke on a windy day. I am your only source of security and hope. Defend My honor with the resolve of My Holy and Divine Son at the temple and I will send My most favored daughter to begin the re-conversion of the world. Minister to your brothers and sisters even from the midst of your sorrow and want and, at the moment you think all is lost, I will send My most favored daughter to rescue you once more.

“Know this, though. I allow your disorder to strike with terrible, prolonged fury so that you will remember the consequences of relying on yourselves without acknowledging Me or seeking My blessing and guidance. After you are rescued this time, when you fall away again, the only respite you will have is the respite of the grave. I sent my Archangel Gabriel to My servant, Charlie, 13 years ago with instructions that he must ‘…tell you true and you must choose or perish.’ Though he, too, is a vain and foolish child, he has been faithful in this and has told you true. Now the time of harvest has arrived and you must choose or perish.”

https://charliej373.wordpress.com/2014/09/01/from-the-father/

 

I knew someone would come with a different angle, anything to justify killing people.

I wasn't at Lepanto. I know our lady intervened. But if there was no intention, to hurt/to kill, in the hearts of men in the first place, then our lady wouldn't have had to intervene in that particular battle now would she!

I'm aware of St. Augistines just war theory, but again... Why must we justify killing here on a spiritual website. A website where our lords words should be pondered and reflected and lived. I give up, go ahead. Justify killing with your theories and your eloquent words. While you're at it, go tell it to the child victims; the young widows; the parents that have lost sons; the fatherless children...

Whatever way you dress it up, DeGaulle, killing is still wrong.

A just war in this day and age can blow us all to kingdom come my friend. But hey, that's okay. As long as you're in the right.

You know, I can't help wondering if they're fighting any kind of war in your street DeGaulle? Are children getting blown to bits? Are their limbs getting hacked off? Something tells me it's probably pretty quiet round your way. Maybe if there was you'd have a different perspective!

 

Jacksoykay,

You arguement is well taken...and in line with many saints. You have commited yourself to non-violence. But if the Catholic Church or Israel gave up its right to protect itself. Then it would be the end of both. Laws are a form of protection...but it is backed by strength. If laws are broken then the stick takes over. Even in the past three years the Vatican has asked for military use..to protect the christians and other minorities of the middle east. Look at how the muslims are gradually exterminating non-muslims from the region. I respect Israel for what it stands for. The last protector of Judaeo-Christian beliefs in the middle east. You might not agree with their approach to protection. They follow a stricked code, if you attack us, we will respond 10 fold. That is the Carrot or the stick philosophy. But to be outnumbered 10,000 to 1 and surrounded...leaves Israel vulnerable to extermination. And that would mean the destruction of all Holy sites as well as the extermination of Jews and Christians. I once told a Mossad member, we should just give up on Israel. The Mossad lieutenant very politely explained his perspective on the situation. A little country the size of New York is holding back millions of Muslims. If the world ever gives up on Israel and lets it be destroyed...then the Muslims would be unified and the Muslim world would continue to try to take over the world. Israel is the buffer to peace.

Yes, limbs of children is EVIL. And can never be condoned. But Israel is the center of Gods kingdom. I think that Israel is playing a part in the final chapter before Gods return.

It is great to be a idealist.

But as long as there is evil in the world. There will be physical battles...the important part is that they are morally justified (moral compass).

May Gods Will be Done

 

Please God I will be up that way some time. I am fond of americans but they , although they are fellow Catholics and our brothers and sisters coming from a very different place form we Europeans. I don;t know if you have read much of Charlie's bio, but I kind of place him as an American of Americans. As such he is perfectly placed to bring a message from God to his fellow Americans. To Americans primarily , rather than Europeans or the world at large if you like. A kind of Americna apostle so to speak.

On the other hand the mission of say, the visionaries at Medugorje, say is to the entire world.

I think this may be that, but who knows. In either case as St Paul says we are all vessels in clay jars. (I think as I recall Archbishop FultonSheen wrote a book called this, 'Vessels in clay jars'.

ahh here is is, wonderful book.

 

Life is tough and bad things happen, but emotions must not be allowed to dictate what is right and wrong. It's not merely a matter of theory. There are conflicts throughout much of the world and there has to be a moral framework on how they are conducted. If Palestinian terrorists insist on launching thousands of rockets onto Israeli territory and refuse any option of negotiation, what is Israel to do? Just accept it and let her own citizens be killed? Not to prevent innocent citizens being killed is also culpable.

As for Lepanto, the facts are that the intervention of Our Lady facilitated the mass-slaughter of thousands of Turks. It is moot saying that Our Lady wouldn't have had to intervene if men didn't intend to kill one another. They do because this is a Fallen world and all of us bar Our Lady suffer the effects of Original Sin. Tarring me with favouring it is not going to change the fact that these things have always happened, continue to do so and will keep on doing so until the Second Coming.

 

I don't really have an opinion...

 

The greatest threat to peace in the world is abortion.

If a mother can kill the child in her womb, the weakest of the weak then how on earth can we expect peace between men and nations?

http://www.numberofabortions.com/

 

Pacifist!

 

David and others,

Well, David, I do know some details. An acquaintance telephoned the Christ Episcopal School on the afternoon of Charlie's event in Covington, LA, and ask about Confessions and talk. The headmistress told her the school itself was not hosting the event, but that priests would be hearing confessions. (Of course, any one of you could send an email or telephone yourselves to find this out yourselves.)

And here's more detailed information on the Archdiocese of New Orleans caution. This is from an official "Message from the Archbishop" sent out to priests of the NOLA archdiocese August 31, 2016. Pastors were specifically asked to pay attention to the archdiocese warning on Charlie:

It has come to our attention that alleged visionary Charlie Johnston is coming to speak at a ven-
ue in Covington on September 8, 2016. Earlier this year, the Archdiocese of Denver completed
an inquiry into Mr. Johnston’s visions and Archbishop Aquila determined that Mr. Johnston
would not be an approved speaker in the Archdiocese of Denver.

Attached is the complete statement from Denver. I strongly encourage you to read the statement
and use it to answer any inquiries that arise from your parishioners about Charlie Johnston.

This can be found online at: https://www.arch-no.org/system/arti...san_News_Oracle_August_31_2016.pdf?1472676301

In addition, I sent an email to the Diocese of Billings. (As David knows, I emailed an Orthodox Patriarch when he claimed Vassula was under the Patriarch's authority; the Patriarch wrote back declaring "She is HERETIC." Charlie is not getting any different treatment than my usual.)

The spokesman for the Billings Diocese said they had been made aware of Charlie's event in Billings fairly late in the game. They contacted Denver and also checked available news sources (which I suppose includes the Billings Gazette article). The Vicar General of Billings sent an email to pastors in the area alerting them to Charlie's event and his status in Denver. I do not have a copy of the Vicar General's email to pastors as it was not published. Again, if you don't believe this, contact Billings yourself.

Remeber: The burden of proof for any of this is on Charlie! And he won't answer any questions. He's as bad as Hillary Clinton.

Padraig,

I haven't weighed in on the e cigarette thing at all. You're mistaking me for someone else.

You assume I think the confessions issue is a kill shot. I don't. I think it is pretty bad and I am sure the canon lawyer in Denver who was on the original commission will be very unhappy to hear about these goings-on at Charlie's events. But the confession issue is not THE KILL SHOT.

The Kill Shot already happened. It is the statement from the Archdiocese of Denver and the BAN*on Charlie speaking at Catholic venues in the Denver. The immediate effect was that Catholic media outlets such as Relevant Radio canceled interviews. Charlie's "good friends," including Fr. Mitch Pacwa, Patrick Madrid and Bishop Gracida all said publicly they stood by the Denver ruling. No reputable Catholic media outlet will cover Charlie now or in the future. He's relegated to the fringes.

Nor will the "warm welcome" Charlie insists he is getting in some locations continue as word of Denver's decision spreads. Look at the Archdiocese of Omaha: It did its own investigation well ahead of Charlie's visit and came out with a blistering review. Charlie very unwisely is challenging the author of the Omaha warning in his blog. Trash talk WILL NOT WIN HIM POINTS in any chancery in the U.S.

I didn't listen in to the phone call, but I cannot imagine the archbishop of Omaha approving a formal statement warning about Charlie without checking with the archbishop of Denver. Edited to add: Or the chancellors talked. It's a formal statement with the archdiocese seal.

Charlie's dissing of the Omaha statement is here, about two-thirds down the page in the comments section.
https://charliej373.wordpress.com/upcoming-events/

(*Merriam-Webster Dictionary's definition)

 

Whilst I recognize your undoubted ability to post DRAMATIC posts, I would find it more helpful if you could just point out in a clear and brief manner, precisely what you are trying to accuse Charlie of. Maybe I'm just stupid but I can't work it out from your post without wasting a lot of time, which I'd prefer to use more constructively.

As for the business of Vassula being a heretic, you state "the Patriarch wrote back declaring she is heretic". No, Harper, the Patriarch did not write back to you. Someone in the patriarchate wrote back to you. The Patriarch of Alexandria and All Africa, Theodoros II, continues to believe Vassula to be authentic and her messages to be from God. To you, there is no difference but that's just one of the problems with your posts - a 'flexibility' with regard to TRUTH.

Yes, quite a few Orthodox clergymen have named Vassula as a heretic. I've even seen people call Pope Francis a heretic can you believe!! But fortunately it needs just a little more to make someone actually a heretic! And so it is with poor Charlie. You, Harper, consider it your duty to encourage us to believe that Charlie is acting against the Church. I will leave you to judge whether you are acting sinfully or not.

 

Well, there's no rush - it's an open invitation. I'm actually trying to cut back on work and I've been preparing for to do exactly that over this past year or so. I'm so very guilty of putting work commitments first. With the grace of God, I'll get more time to spend in prayer and contemplation. There's no place like the hills and coast of Donegal for that. Followed by a good pub lunch in the company of a roaring fire and a pint... I'm planning for more of that. Let's hope the Almighty permits it!

You're probably right about the cultural perspective. God I love America. I spent several summers in my student days working the seaside towns of New Jersey. I spent a summer n Chicago too. Amazing people, amazing place altogether. Aye. A different culture though. They're not alone in having terrible leaders. Ireland is swamped with group-think-lunacy too, at the political level - both local and in the capital. Leading us to God knows where. ''Tis probably the right way to view it.
In truth I can't fault Charlie on anything else.

I made it to the cathedral this evening. It was a 7pm mass actually (not 7:30, as I had mentioned earlier).

Jack.

 

An excellent post Garabandal.
Bit of perspective.
Humbly, I couldn't agree more...

J.

 

An interesting perspective. I fear there is somewhat of a 'call of duty'' Xbox style thought process to killing though these days. I'm thinking of Hilary Clintons gloating at 'taking out' human beings. 'Advances' in killing and in modern warfare techniques continue to desensitise our young people. If this continues as weaponary becomes more sophisticated, then where will we be!? Where are we going....
I suppose we'll have to disagree on this though.

 

I thank you for the perspective you have given too, Jack. Your horror of war is right on the money too and a reminder for me. This can be a terrible world and there are no easy answers.

 

We are in a great spiritual war. The blood sacrifice of the innocent unborn to the idols of materialism, consumerism, hedonism and individualism is a death cult to pagan gods and there is a direct relationship with the rising power of the evil one in this century ---- darkness is about to reach its zenith and smoke of satan has entered into the very sanctuary of God.

Sacrifice, reparation, prayer and fasting are required but soon the back of satan will be broken by the coming triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

 

Say that to most of your friends and they'll likely think you should be committed! I couldn't agree more though. I take it you're aware of Bernie Smiths work (and that of Paddy McCrystal in the south).

I have a question for anyone reading this. Do you think they'll get-in their abortion laws here in Ireland, north and south?

To be fair, it is largely the good Protestant people/politicians keeping it out of Northern Ireland at the minute. I'm dismayed at the so-called catholic parties. I will delve no further into politics than to say this; there is no real catholic christian party left in the north. I'm sick raising it with SF, they are an abortion party. There is no hope for them. They have lost their way. As a Christian I have more in common with some unionist politicians than the catholic.

Allowing abortion will bring disaster upon us, in my opinion. A chastisement. But when I say that in front of my friends, they think that I should be committed!

Id like to know people's views on this....

 

jackzokay, you sound like someone who has been personally touched by the Israeli/Palestinian war in one form or another. You don't have to answer, but have you done relief work there or lost someone, or even have a close Palestinian friend?

 

Actually, I was careless, David. Thank you for the fraternal correction. I wrote and asked for the official position of the office of the Patriarch. The official position of the office of the Patriarch was conveyed to me as, "She is HERETIC." (There may have been an exclamation point with that.) That answer arrived from the Patriarch's official email address, in a very DRAMATIC fashion. Did I get the wrong impression? Do you have evidence that the Patriarch supports Vassula? Current, written evidence that his spokesperson will confirm? Point me to it.

I am not among those who call Pope Francis a heretic. I believe Pope Francis has caused consternation with statements that are off-the-cuff, hard to place into context, and otherwise confusing. He is slow to correct the confusion. Can we at least agree perhaps the Pope should limit his airplane press conferences?

As for Charlie, there are serious questions surrounding his "messages." These need to be resolved lest people be misled. There are many vulnerable people out there, David, who invest time and money in false prophets such as LttW. It is also a grave sin to claim to be a prophet; although I have no basis to say Charlie is not sincere in his belief in what he does, I can certainly wonder where the messages originate.

Canon lawyers and archdiocesan vicars will find much to criticize when they examine the circumstances the confessions at Charlie's events. (This has happened elsewhere, so there is a pattern.) Aside from canon law, the obvious concern is that people assume Charlie has the blessing and approval of the Catholic Church for his "ministry." He emphatically does not.

I am out of time this evening, but can answer your concerns in more detail in the next few days if you wish, David. I do not want you to waste your time, of course.

I am morally certain I am acting within the framework of the Church.

 

Thankfully no. But I'm from Northern Ireland and am in my mid 40s.
I have lived through 'the troubles'. It is my opinion that life is prescious.
Not only that, but look at where we're going with modern weaponry... the just war theory was formulated centuries ago. Today we can push a button, kill hundreds then go eat a Big Mac!