Cardinal Müller:"I did not like the praise of the Freemasons for the Pope"

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  1. SgCatholic

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    Cardinal Müller:"I did not like the praise of the Freemasons for the Pope"
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    Cardinal Gerhard Müller: "What does clericalism mean? Homosexual inclinations are responsible for most of the cases of sexual abuse by clerics "

    (Rome) While Pope Francis was preparing to sign a document on "human brotherhood" in Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates), yesterday he signed his signature with the Islamic Grandimam of Al-Azhar, an authority of Sunni Islam, Nuova Bussola Quotidiana published an interview last Sunday with Gerhard Cardinal Müller, former prefect of the Roman Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In it, the German cardinal again criticized the "clericalism" thesis and talked about "the real reason" for sexual abuse by clerics, but also about "the biggest problem" that the Church has today. He rejects allegations that there is "a plot" against Francis and makes no secret of the fact that he does not like the "great praise" Francis receives from the Freemasons.
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    Cardinals Kasper and Marx

    NBQ:
    At this point, the Pope and his closest associates point to clericalism when they talk about abuse cases.

    Cardinal Müller: That's a misunderstanding. What is clericalism? Who defines it? Who is clerical? The word comes from the 19th century, from France and Italy, and served to attack the Church as an enemy of modern society. Do we really want to get into this polemic against ourselves? Or do we want to accuse Jesus of having used the clergy? Clergy is a Greek term that we find in Acts when the eleven apostles cast lots to replace Judas and transferred his "share" - cleros - to Mattias. Cleros is thus not a group of people, but the participation in the authority of Jesus Christ, which was given to the apostles and their successors. This is certainly not clericalism, guilty of sin against the sixth commandment. Real abuse of power is to engage in simony, careerism, or the courtier at the court of the pope to obtain a miter and to be acclaimed. If Machiavelli counts more in Church politics than the Gospel, that is abuse of power. To speak of clericalism, or to blame celibacy, is the wrong path that distracts from the real reason for the problem.

    NBQ: In fact, there are quite a few who question celibacy in response to cases of abuse.

    Cardinal Müller: On the contrary, we have to take the sixth commandment seriously: chastity as an attitude and virtue. This is not easy in this sexualized culture, but it is necessary if we want to find a way out of this disaster, which incidentally affects the whole of society. The Church has a way: we need to pick up on our anthropology again. The Church can not be seen as an organization that distributes power and prestige. It is the family of God that brings familiarity between us all, responsibility of one for the other and respect for children and youth. The other person is never to be regarded as an object of greed. The other is always subject, never object. He deserves respect.

    NBQ: With regard to the summit at the end of February, there are already those who try to profit from it and claim that homosexuality is to be recognized: it is not important whether a priest has homosexual inclinations, it is important that he live in chastity. In Germany there are bishops who have already declared themselves in this sense.

    Cardinal Müller: That would be a crime against the Church: Using the sin to establish or normalize a sin against the sixth commandment is a crime. There is no way that one can legitimize homosexual or even disordered sexual acts. When we believe in God, we believe that the Ten Commandments are a direct expression of the saving will of God towards us. These are not external laws such as the positive laws that the state enacts. They are the substance of man's morality and his happiness. They are an expression of the life and truth of God.

    "Some want to overthrow Christian anthropology"
    NBQ: So you risk overturning Christian anthropology ...

    Cardinal Müller: That's what some are aiming at: They want man to define himself. God is for them only a reference point for their own self-justification. Some people have written to me that in their youth they had certain homosexual experiences, but then they overcame everything and now live happily in marriage. These are not ideas, but real experiences of people we need to listen to. When sexuality awakens, there may be moments of confusion, but that does not mean that there are rooted inclinations. Some, however, want to turn homosexuality into an ontological condition.

    NBQ: This brings us to that pastoral document for persons with homosexual inclinations, published in 1986 by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in which a homosexual network inside and outside the Church has been accused of overthrowing Catholic doctrine.

    Cardinal Müller: Yes, they usually do not reveal themselves publicly, but you can recognize them by some strange ways of behaving, by the way they present themselves, by certain opinions. They support each other, personally attack those who stand in the way of their agenda, bend the doctrine of the Church for their own purposes and constantly polemicize against the orthodox Catholics. That's how they expose themselves. In this way, they destroy not only the doctrine of faith but also the people they claim to help. They use the people who have homosexual inclinations to help their ideology to victory. They misuse these people ideologically.

    "A Papal Document Can not Change the Anthropology Founded in God's Creation"
    NBQ: Even the Avvenire, the daily newspaper of the Italian bishops, it claims that there has been a turning point in the Church towards homosexuality, that there is no moral censure, and that this can be inferred from the Apostolic Exhortation Amoris laetitia.

    Cardinal Müller: That is not true, but even if that were so, a papal document can not change the anthropology grounded in God's creation. It is possible that a papal document or the Magisterium of the Church does not well explain the facts of revelation and creation, but the Magisterium is not Christian doctrine. There is the way to understand the Magisterium as if it had nothing to do with the Catholic tradition. The Pope is treated as if he were an oracle. Whatever he says becomes the indisputable truth. But that is not the case: many things are private opinions of the Pope, things that can be discussed. If the Pope said today that the parts are more than the whole, we would have changed the structures of mathematics, of geometry. That's ridiculous. Or if the pope said today that we are no longer allowed to eat animal meat, it would still not be illegal for any Catholic to eat meat.

    NBQ: You want to say hypothetically: Should the pope write a "vegan" encyclical, would it not be binding for any Catholic? How is that?

    Cardinal Müller: Because that is not part of the materia fidei. The authority of the pope is very limited. Some only see his public authority, that which is reported by the mass media, and they use it according to their own thinking. In reality, they do not accept the authority of the pope as established in our ecclesiology.

    "There is a gross ignorance, even among cardinals"
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    Francis with the "monk" Enzo Bianchi

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  2. SgCatholic

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    NBQ: Speaking of ecclesiology. In recent days, at La Nuova Bussola Quotidiana, we have lamented the case of an ecumenical Mass in Milan, where a Baptist "pastor" preached the Gospel, gave a sermon and distributed the Eucharist after standing side by side with the priest during the consecration. And the pastor said that transubstantiation is just one of several ways of understanding the Eucharist. Unfortunately, this type of ecumenism is not an isolated case.
    Cardinal Müller: And a bishop would have the duty to intervene because, among priests, bishops and even cardinals, there is unfortunately a gross ignorance: they are servants of the Word of God, but they do not know it, and they do not know the doctrine of faith. When we speak of transubstantiation, the Fourth Lateran Council, the Tridentinum, and also the Second Vaticanum, as well as some encyclicals such as Mystery Fidei (1965), have declared that the Church is the reality of the actual transformation of bread and wine into the substance of the body and the blood of Jesus Christ. The Lutherans believe in the real presence, but not in the Catholic sense. They do not believe in the transformation of bread and wine. That's not a little difference. In England at the time of Edward VI. and Elizabeth I, in the 16th century, those who believed in transubstantiation were liable to be put to death. Many Catholics have suffered martyrdom, and it has not been that they have lost their lives only for one of many ways of seeing the Eucharist, but for the reality of the Sacrament.

    Saint Thomas [Aquinas] said that it is a grave sin when bishops and priests do not know the doctrine of the Church. That is their duty. Of course the priests, like the one in Milan, have read something of third-rate theologians who write and talk garbage without knowing the doctrine of the faith. But that can not justify a downright blasphemous act. The Protestants do not accept the sacrament of Holy Orders in their faith, so they can not stand by the side of a Catholic priest. If the pastor allows this, he denies the sacrament of Holy Orders and makes himself a Protestant. Even with the Orthodox, whose sacramental priesthood we recognize, concelebration is not possible because full unity is lacking.

    NBQ: But what can a believer do if he is at such a Mass?

    Cardinal Müller: He has to protest publicly. He has the right to leave or, if he is able, he can say something: "I protest against this desecration of the Holy Mass"; "I came to celebrate the Catholic Mass, not to participate in a consecration of a pastor unrelated to the Catholic faith." What has happened in the Milan parish has nothing to do with ecumenism. It is a blow to the real ecumenism.

    NBQ: What is real ecumenism?

    Cardinal Müller: There is the decree of the Second Vatican Council Unitatis redintegratio, which describes the principles of Catholic ecumenism in the first two chapters. There is no general ecumenism, but ecumenism according to the principles of the Catholic faith; and the others have ecumenism according to their principles. With the other Christian denominations, there is not only a difference in the contents of the faith, but also in the hermeneutics of the faith.

    "Abuse to Protestantise and Islamise the Church"
    NBQ: Holidays have become dangerous for Catholics. After the anniversary of the Lutheran Reformation with all its false ecumenism, the 800 years of the encounter of St. Francis of Assisi with the Sultan follow: and already there are Islam courses being taught in the parishes and imams are invited into churches to explain who Jesus is - for Islam.

    Cardinal Müller: Certainly, but I'll bet the pastor does not go to the mosque to explain the Council of Nicaea. It is an insult to us to assert that Jesus is only a human being and not the Son of God. How can you invite someone to a church to be insulted?Unfortunately, Catholicity today has a bad conscience because of one's faith and one always kneels before the others. First, the year of Luther, now that of St. Francis of Assisi: they are abused to protest the church and Islamize it. This is not a real dialogue. Some of us have lost faith and want to become slaves to others in order to be loved.

    NBQ: What's the biggest problem for the Church today?

    Cardinal Müller: The relativization of the faith. It seems complicated today to proclaim the Catholic faith in its completeness and with a clear conscience. But the world of today deserves the truth, and the truth is the truth of God the Father, the truth of Jesus Christ, and the truth of the Holy Spirit. The false compromises are of no use to the man of today. Instead of proclaiming the belief that educating people, teaching people, one tends to relativise, and always say a little less, less, less, less ... An example: Instead of explaining the meaning of marriage and its indissolubility, they look for exceptions and go backwards. Instead of talking about the dignity of the priesthood, its glory, and the radiance of the truth of the sacraments, everything is reduced to an opportunity to be together. There is a flattening of Christianity. It is reduced to a form to please the people of today. But that's how we trick people. When we come together with people of other religions, we can not unite in a common belief. Faith is thereby reduced to a philosophical belief, God becomes a transcendent being, and then we say that Allah or God, the Father of Jesus Christ, is the same. Even the god of deism has nothing to do with the God of Christians.

    "Christian fraternity does not have the fraternity of the French Revolution as a measuring stick"
    NBQ: The Pope insists very much on the concept of a universal brotherhood. How should it be understood to avoid this confusion?

    Cardinal Müller: I did not like all the great praise of the Masons for the Pope. Their brotherhood is not the brotherhood of Christians in Jesus Christ, it is much less. We must not take this as a measure of fraternity, which comes from the French Revolution. That's an ideology like communism. Who defines who my brother is? We are brothers to one another because we are children of God because we acknowledge Christ, who became man. That is the basis of brotherhood.

    In the sense of creation, we are all children of God. In this sense, we also speak of universal brotherhood: one must not kill; even in war, the one I kill is my brother. We all have a Father in heaven, but this Father revealed Himself in the Holy Land to Moses, to the prophets, and finally to Jesus Christ. If we do not raise man's natural brotherhood to fraternity in Jesus Christ, we reject the supernatural dimension and the natural grace. There is no universal religion, there is a universal religiosity, a religious dimension that pushes every man to the mystery. Sometimes one hears absurd ideas, such as that the Pope is the "head of a world religion," but that is ridiculous. Peter is Pope because of his confessio, his confession of faith: "You are Christ, the Son of the living God". That's the pope, not the head of the UN.


    Text: Giuseppe Nardi
    Picture: NBQ

    Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com

    AMDG
     
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  3. BrianK

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    Wow! I never expected Cardinal Mueller to be this clear spoken and courageous! God bless him and protect him.
     
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  4. Fatima

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    As the church leaders bring forth more and more darkness, the light of clarity is most essential. I think this is exactly why Cardinal Burke got his own web site now https://cardinalburke.com/ Something has changed more profoundly with Pope Francis signing a leading Muslims heretical Freemasonry statement that God willed a "pluralistic and diverse religions." We have always been taught by the Church that she cannot error in matters of faith and moral teachings and that they can NEVER change, but only develop. Well when a puppy becomes a dog that is development. When a puppy becomes a cat that is change and that is what the pope just formally did by declaring it to be God's will that all all religions exist. What more does one need? We have his flawed document AL on reception of Holy Eucharist for grave sinners. We have Archbishop Vigino revealing the popes knowledge about the clerical sex abuse of his closest friends in the hierarchy, which his ignored and now have Bishop Schnieder clearly explaining to the contrary of Pope Francis that that God did not will multitude of religions. The most recent announcement of Cardinal Burke having his own web site to clearly teach the faith for those who still want to follow makes it quite clear where the Church his headed. If we don't understand the signs of the times by now, what more does anyone need?

    I will throw this out their to chew on. We know the False Prophet of scripture is a cleric with huge following in the world. We know from our faith teachings that a valid pope cannot teach heresy. We know that the False Prophet brings about the Antichrist. Stay alert there is surely more to come! As for me, I will be watching to see if Pope Francis repents and retracts his statement on God willed all religions.
     
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  5. Beth B

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    It’s getting worse by the day.
     
  6. Dolours

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    Pope Francis won't retract anything. On the contrary, he will test the ground at the abuse Synod to see how far he can get with ordaining women, removing the celibacy requirement and officially changing Church teaching on fornication, adultery, contraception, abortion and same sex unions. If he reckons he can get away with it, we can expect more encyclicals and changes in the Catechism. Not for nothing did he make sure that the likes of Cupich would be at the Synod. And if he drops enough hints to the media that all those changes are on the way, they will declare the Synod to have been a great success and Pope Francis to be a new Christ.

    As to what more does anyone need, we only have to look at responses to Amoris Laetitia on this forum to see how easy it will be for him to sell the changes to Catholics. That was on foot of a string of excuses about Jesus eating with sinners and the Pope being misrepresented by his mouthpieces and misquoted by the media. Most Catholics voted for all those anti-Christian changes in civil law anyway, so they will just view it as the Church catching up with them. How do you think the False Prophet will lead "even the elect" to follow the AC, leaving only a remnant of believers? Fulton Sheen said that the FP would be a Bishop of the Church (he didn't say which diocese) and that the deception would be cloaked in mercy.
     
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  7. AED

    AED Powers

    Bravo Cardinal Mueller.
     
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  8. padraig

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    Astonishing. Events seem to be quickening.:eek:
     
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  9. Fatima

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    And, the Pope is the Bishop of Rome. Sides are now being drawn by the few true bishops in the Church who are willing to defend the Church and her teachings. I will restate that a true pope cannot declare heresy and he cannot be the False Prophet. What Pope Francis signed, pluralism and diversity of religions is God's will, is pure, out of the book, ecclesiastical Masonic heresy. That being said, it seems to me that Pope Francis could not speak heresy unless his papacy was deemed invalid. Much more to be uncovered coming forth, as God continues to lift the veil...........
     
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  10. Dolours

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    Yes, I'm aware that the Bishop of Rome is the Pope. Apologists are brushing aside the heresy claiming that the Pope meant God's permissive will. It's the usual Pope Francis stuff written in such a way that it can mean anything the reader wants it to mean. I also agree with you that it's Masonic, and that someone holding Masonic beliefs cannot be a valid Pope. But there's nothing we can do about it other than avoid him and his cohorts like the plague because the Bishops whose responsibility it is to remove a heretic from St. Peter's seat have chosen to leave him there. Further, the majority of Bishops were appointed by Pope Francis and he only promoted men who shared his vision for the Church and will elect one of their own kind to succeed him. So get busy on the beads because if he retires in favour of a handpicked successor, things will get a whole lot worse.
     
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  11. Fatima

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    The heretics can spin it as they wish, but what he signed did not say "permissive will" and some of us still use spoken language not coded language of the Masons. I think the few good Cardinal's and Bishops who are now speaking out will lead to more and more faithful ones who needed someone else to lead the way. I see, as many prophecies have indicated, a split in the Church coming not symbolic, but defacto ways. Yes the rosary is the key to unveiling the evil ones and defining the ones in true faith.
     
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  12. BrianK

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    Not so long ago, we would have been deemed dissenters and schismatic for making such a declaration....

    Now it’s so obvious that anyone who insists on continuing to defend this pope in this context is suspect.

    What a time to be alive.
     
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  13. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The difference today, is that we have all the resources available at our figure tips to defend the truth. 30 years ago, we had to rely on old books, not the CCC and all the papal documents at our finger tips. This is the biggest change from the past. Those in error cannot fool those who today can study and learn for themselves instead of hearing spin from the dissenters. This is one good thing the web has done for us.
     
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  14. BrianK

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    Valid points. But I had in mind 3-4 years ago, not 30.
     
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  15. Fatima

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    I think the faithful Cardinals and Bishops of our Church whom we have all had respect for needed time in the past 3-4 years as well. I have seen when 'knee jerking' has caused allot of problems and no one wants to walk back what they may have said or concluded prematurely, especially when we have to answer to our Lord. Lets see what our faithful shepherds continue to say and do going forward now with such a blatant objective heresy to Catholic truth. The popes men are trying to add to his signed statement to give it their spin. That's like signing a marriage license and then later saying we meant for a conditional license, or that we meant something else when we took our marriage vows, when divorce is wanted. The language he signed for the Muslim leader was clear and that is where he is stuck. No ambiguity in that statement no matter how they try to spin it now. He either apologizes and retracts this agreement or he will answer to God.
     
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  16. Beth B

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    If this were to happen...and I bet that is where they are going( Cupich, PF and the others), where do we go from there? We cannot accept this...we won’t ....
    It will be a false interpretation of our faith. There is no way that the remnant can continue on under these conditions.
     
  17. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Lines are being drawn....
     
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  18. Dolours

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    We've had nothing but coded language since 2013 and it gets progressively worse. I don't expect any split in the Church during this papacy, and I expect Pope Francis to retire not long after Pope Benedict dies. His successor can point to all his dodgy documents and statements when making Doctrine of heresy and there will be so few faithful Bishops remaining that excommunicating them for disobeying the Pope won't be such a big deal.
     
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  19. Beth B

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    I agree..he will probably wait until Benedict dies...therefore there won’t be a default pope in Benedict.
    I just can’t envision a situation where we can continue under a heretical pope....
    It will have to be a quick succession of events. Allowing thing to purculate to that degree is intolerable I would think....
     
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  20. Dolours

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    The faithful Cardinals and Bishops of our Church had their opportunity to nip the heresies in the bud when Amoris Laetitia was issued but only four of them signed the dubia. They all knew that it was worded to provide cover for heretical Bishops yet waxed lyrical about a document written more in the style of Barbara Cartland than St. Thomas Aquinas. If we could see what was happening, they could see it too. Quite a few of them were probably relieved at the prospect of implementing it as it was intended to be implemented. The vast majority of them couldn't even find it in themselves to do their duty when the dubia went unanswered.

    The Pope's men are not going to do anything the Pope doesn't want them to do. The vast majority of Bishops are "the Pope's men". The vast majority of Cardinals either voted for him or were appointed by him. The Jesuits have been going downhill for decades, yet a majority of Cardinals put a Jesuit in the See of Peter. That's as good an indicator of the quality of our Cardinals as anything they say or do. And now Pope Francis has added to their number with the likes of Cupich. The best we can do is pray for their conversion or for God to thwart their plans.
     

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