Bishop Schneider is live on youtube with Dr Taylor Marshall now

Hmm. We can delete our posts. I wonder if we can delete what comes after we use the quote feature ?

 

I was just testing it. If you hit multi-quote, it says post added to multi quote. If you hit it again, it says message removed from multi quote. Try it and see.

 

Yes, hit it twice.

 

Ahh ok, thanks HH.

 

In this video chat with Dr Marshall, Bp Schneider is very supportive of the SSPX, and defends what Abp Lefebvre did as something necessary in the state of emergency that had been present (and is still present until today).
Bp Schneider says that future popes will thank Abp Lefebvre for what he did.

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(Dr Taylor Marshall).....
persecuted society and culture but in

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the book you talk about your encounter

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and as a visitor of the Society of

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Saint Pius the X and their

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seminary life. And could you speak to

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that. A lot of people ask what is the status

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of the Society of St. Pius the

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X. Is it schismatic, is it irregular

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is it non-recognized? Can you share

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what you shared in the book and

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maybe add anything more?

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(Bp Schneider)
Yes, firstly we have to say what is

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schismatic? According to the tradition

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of the church, schismatic is/are people

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who are refusing, in principle, the

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authority of the Pope.

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Let us say, the Orthodox, they are

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called not heretics usually, but

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schismatics, because they are rejecting in

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principle the authority of the Pope.

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And so, and then the fact of

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the Episcopal ordination without the

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papal approval, it was in the old Canon

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Law not punished automatically with

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excommunication; and so only in the new

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code of Canon Law, so this is a

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difference. So the church, so many

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centuries, did not consider the fact to

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ordain someone bishop without approval

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of pope, per se, as a schismatic act.

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And the church history shows us that for

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example, the entire first millennium, the

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majority of the bishops were ordained

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without asking Rome, the Pope, for the

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approval; just simply ordained bishops in

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maintaining the unity with the Pope, and

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mentioning him in the Eucharistic prayer

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or consulting the Pope in some, and so

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maintaining the unity in this way. Let us

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say all these Saints which we know: St.

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Athanasius, Saint Basil, they were not

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ordained with the approval of the Pope; no.

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And so on, we can make so many examples.

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And therefore this is not pertaining to

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the Deposit of Faith; the act of

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ordination can be done in different ways.

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And if there is an emergency situation,

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emergency situation, to my opinion, it

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is in which we are living, even after the

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introduction of the New Mass which is

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substantially a kind of Protestantisation

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of the center of our life, which is

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the Holy Mass, even if it is celebrated

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correctly, the texts of the New Mass

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itself, like the offertory prayers, for

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example, the second Canon, and so,

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this is Protestantising, without doubt.

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Well, this is only I said this in in

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bypassing but continuing the your

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question, my answer to your question,

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and so, Archbishop Lefebvre had not true

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schismatic intention when he ordained

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because he asked until the last moment

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the Pope to approve this. So, if someone

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usually the schismatic bishops, they don't

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care. (TM: Yeah, the Eastern Orthodox

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don't write to Rome) and even other

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sedevacantists, or other, they

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even don't want to ask the Pope for

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permission, but Abp Lefebvre,

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they wrote several letters until the

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last moment, with very much respect,

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reverence, and asking that he wants to

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ordain them with the approval of Rome. And

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all this is a demonstration that he was

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not, he did not do this in a schismatic

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intention. It is obvious, and we have to

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be just also and fair. And in view of

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the great tradition of the church. And

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then, he also mentioned the Pope during

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the ordination of the bishops, in the

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Canon of the Mass. And this is

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a proof that he maintained the desire to

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be united with Rome, but

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in specific historical difficult

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situations, he could not act in another

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way. And he did this not to make a new

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parallel Church. And he said these, but to

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do a real help and a service for the

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Roman Church itself, for the Popes

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in the future, which God knows, will thank

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him that he did these. And I'm sure this

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will come.

(continues below)

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And now we are

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looking, we are seeing this. And then now

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concretely, after Pope Benedict

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XVI

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in 2009, lifted the excommunication

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penalty, even from this time, they are

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not anymore excommunicated, and then the people

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are not excommunicated, they are not schismatic.

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Otherwise the church

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would not lift/ revoke the penalty.

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And so, and then it was only touching the

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4 bishops, not the priests. Well,

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when we see according to the

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Canon Law, strictly, ad literra, to the

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letter, the priests and bishops are/ may

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be suspended in celebrating Mass because

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they are have no (?)incardination, and and so.

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But now the situation changed because

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Pope Francis gave to all the priests of

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the Society of Pius the X the

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faculties of confession.

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Ordinary faculties, and now how can

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be a suspended priest be an ordinary

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confessor? It is a

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contradiction. And therefore to my

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opinion, Pope Francis with this act

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in some way, he implicitly lifted also

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the suspension, the canonical I mean. And

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then the possibility to assist

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canonically the marriages, also how can

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a suspended priest assist canonically a

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marriage? And then in the provision

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of the Holy See, is saying that it is

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also possible in some cases that after

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this the priests of the Society of St

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Pius X assist marriage, when

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there is no other available priest, he

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can celebrate Mass for the spouses at

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which all assist. And then, it is not, how

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can the Pope permit a priest publicly

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celebrate a mass, who is suspended?

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So we have to say, now in this moment, he

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is not suspended; and then finishing the

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mass, he is again suspended. It is absurd

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to my opinion, or when he is hearing

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confession, in the confessional, he is not

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suspended because the Pope gave him the

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faculties. And then when he goes out from

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the confessional and goes to the altar

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and celebrates mass, then he is suspended.

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We are in absurdity, because we are

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interpreting the law in such a strict

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manner. We are becoming Pharisees and

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scribes, really, because the church law is

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pastoral, and all these laws are for the

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aim of the salvation of souls. And we

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have to always to keep these; otherwise

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when we are too much stressing the

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human part of the law, the positive part,

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we become positivists, in the law and

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this is a danger because we are

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forgetting the eternal salvation of the

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souls

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and becoming in some way the mentality

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of the Pharisees and the scribes which

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Christ condemned, you know. And so,

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therefore I consider this now, this is a

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quite new situation, a substantial new

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situation of the Society of St Pius X

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after the lifting of the

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excommunication of the bishops and after

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the granting of the general faculties of

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confession, and after the granting of the

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possibility to assist the matrimony,

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even to celebrate a mass for the

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spouses. And then in, de facto also, there

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are bishops around the world who

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publicly permit the priests, the

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bishops of the Society of St Pius X,

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to celebrate public masses in

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exceptional cases. And therefore I think

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that there are so many bishops and

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priests in the world who are doing

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really, blasphemies and sacrileges

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in the masses publicly; and they are

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not punished. They are more hurting

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and offending our Lord and damaging the

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faith and the church entire, than the

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priests of the Society who piously

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celebrate the mass as always did, only

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because there is not yet resolved some

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problem of the positive law of the

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church; which is subordinated to, in an

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extreme situation, which we are now

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living. (TM: Yeah I remember Archbishop

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Lefebvre said, I read this, that in England, they

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were allowing Methodists to have an

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ordination ceremony, which is invalid

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inside of a Catholic cathedral, and yet

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he said, we cannot say the mass for which

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that Cathedral was built. The

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bishop won't let us go in there to say

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the old Mass, for which that

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cathedral was built for this mass. Those,

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all those private altars all the way

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around were built for this mass. There's

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a Methodist ordination in there and yet

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we can not say the old Mass in there.

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That's a state of emergency!

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Malachi Martin said basically the same thing years ago. He said the time would come when everyone would recognize what the Church owed to Arch. Lefevbre.

 

I honestly believe that he is a Saint.

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Could very well be. He certainly suffered to save the Mass. He had great courage and perseverence. A modern day St Athanasius.

 

I've said this before - the only reason the Tridentine rite mass is widely available and ever-increasing in numbers now is because Abp Lefebvre took all the young men who asked him, into his Traditional SSPX seminary, which trained them to offer the usus antiquior.
I believe the rest of the seminaries abandoned the Tridentine mass after Vatican II and also didn't teach Latin anymore.

Sadly, 12 of the SSPX priests (and some seminarians) betrayed Abp Lefebvre after he consecrated the 4 Bishops and Rome "excommunicated" him. These priests then formed the FSSP and had to sign an agreement with Rome that they would obey and not question (the troubling issues of) Vatican II anymore.
All of the FSSP priests were from the SSPX. This is true and cannot be denied.

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Unfortunately, I don't have the time now to go through the whole discussion on whether Benedict XVI is still the Pope.
But, I would like to point out that Bp Schneider has not addressed/properly rebutted:
- the distinction between munus and ministerium in the wording of the resignation,
- the plotting of the St Gallen mafia and former Cardinal McCarrick's public admission that someone influential asked him about Bergoglio becoming pope just before the conclave,
- and the perfectly legitimate question about whether Benedict XVI was threatened and pressured into resigning.

Also, Bp Schneider mentions as "proof", the journalist who "quoted" Benedict XVI as saying "the pope is one, it is Francis". This was debunked by LifesiteNews in July 2019.
No evidence Pope Benedict said ‘the Pope is one; it is Francis’
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/no-evidence-pope-benedict-said-the-pope-is-one-it-is-francis

Another point made by Bp Schneider, that Benedict XVI names Francis as pope during celebration of mass, I note that Bp Schneider did not say that he himself witnessed it, but rather, he was told of it by others.

It is very telling that Bp Schneider has to address this problem in the video - that tells us that there must be enough voices clamouring for the truth, doubting that Bergoglio is the pope and believing that Benedict is still Pope.

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Update:
Bishop Schneider releases essay ‘on the question of the true Pope’
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinio...leases-essay-on-the-question-of-the-true-pope

I won't post the links, but one can easily find online rebuttals of the points made in Bp Schneider's essay; some of the rebuttals are in a rather harsh tone.

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Bishop Schneider still maintains that PEB is not the Pope.
PEB himself says “speculation about the invalidity of renunciation is simply absurd”.
This is PEB’s own wording. I like his use of the word “absurd” at this juncture. He himself is telling us so many times that Francis is the Pope. Now he is using the word “absurd.”
I totally agree.
Kindly put this to rest.
Regarding rebuttals online, anyone can find anything online, except discernment.
When anyone, even a Bishop , points out what you disagree with, you will follow with a barrage of posts to “prove your point.” This Bishop is highly esteemed and orthodox.
This time, PEB himself has repeatedly denied he is still Pope.

 

This is what I believe and I cannot be untrue to myself and put the matter to rest.
As Bp Schneider himself said in the video, even holy Saints have made errors in their judgement, therefore His Grace may yet change his mind.
The false reporting of what Pope Benedict XVI said and quoted by Bp Schneider, is a case in point:

There are many aspects of the debate that Bp Schneider has failed to address.
I believe that the truth will come out in the end.
May God's Will be done.

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Well, certainly, all truth will come out in the end.
But if PEB maintains that he himself is not the Pope, then there should be an end to the debate. It's possible to believe falsely, you know.​

 

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Yes, Sg, I watched that interview as well. It is the above portion that grieves me the most!
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.. a priest forever according to the line of Melchizedek!

 

And yet there is much to be said for courageous priests who have not celebrated illegal and illicit Masses and have remained canonically correct with Rome. Let us not forget that form of courage in their priesthood. It is sad the SSPX priests advise their faithful to avoid going to other Masses, even to satisfy their Sunday obligation. That is the flip side to this argument.

 

As Bp Schneider said:
“the New Mass which is
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substantially a kind of Protestantisation
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of the center of our life, which is
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the Holy Mass, even if it is celebrated
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correctly, the texts of the New Mass
44:45
itself, like the offertory prayers, for
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example, the second Canon, and so,
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this is Protestantising, without doubt.”

“And therefore I think
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that there are so many bishops and
51:57
priests in the world who are doing
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really, blasphemies and sacrileges
52:04
in the masses publicly; and they are
52:09
not punished. They are more hurting
52:13
and offending our Lord and damaging the
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faith and the church entire, than the
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priests of the Society who piously
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celebrate the mass as always did”

Is it surprising for the SSPX to advise that, when it is clear that the Novus Ordo mass is a Protestantisation of the TLM, and blasphemies and sacrileges are occurring repeatedly, which most certainly offend our Lord?

Just one aspect which, without fail, causes sacrilege in the Novus Ordo Mass is the reception of Holy Communion in the hand.
Our Lord is trampled upon daily

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1970, Pope Paul VI stated
"Many of the faithful feel troubled in their faith due to an accumulation of ambiguities, uncertainties and doubts that touch upon essential matters of their faith. Such are the Trinitarian and Christological Dogmas, the mystery of the Eucharist and the Real Presence, the Church as Institute of Salvation, the Priestly Ministry in the midst of God's People, the importance of prayer and the Sacraments, moral demands related, for example, to the indissolubility of Matrimony or the respect of human life." (Quinque iam anni - Decembre 8th, 1970)